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#1535652 by Krabben (Power User) at 2013-07-10 15:18:54 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Anyone here who play on the WOTLK servers?

If so, are there anyone of you that know of a bot feature like honorbuddy that works on these servers?

I know that most hack here, but I just need to farm some ores/skinns. I am not intereseted in hacking.

but if you know of anything that works, please share.

Pathc 3.3.5a.


No hating or rudeness wanted, so keep your hate to your self.

Also I have googled it and could not really find anything that looked safe. And in safe I mean non virus, i know there  are bots out there just dont know where to find em.

Last edited by Krabben at 2013-07-10 15:59:27

#1535655 by Jooboo (Power User) at 2013-07-10 15:51:13 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

If you play on a private server why would you pick a WOTLK one? It was the first horrible expansion out of many.
Game went straight downhill after heroic nerf in TBC.

Anyways on topic sorry. Don't know any botting software. But since it is a free server if you own a microsoft keyboard or similar you could program a macro that makes you perform a specific sequence all the time. I did that when cataclysm got out and there was 20 hour long ques to the server. Then I setup a macro that made my character run around in silvermoon and attack the target dummy for a couple of seconds and then keep running.

#1535656 by Krabben (Power User) at 2013-07-10 15:57:35 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Jooboo wrote:

If you play on a private server why would you pick a WOTLK one? It was the first horrible expansion out of many.
Game went straight downhill after heroic nerf in TBC.

Anyways on topic sorry. Don't know any botting software. But since it is a free server if you own a microsoft keyboard or similar you could program a macro that makes you perform a specific sequence all the time. I did that when cataclysm got out and there was 20 hour long ques to the server. Then I setup a macro that made my character run around in silvermoon and attack the target dummy for a couple of seconds and then keep running.

1. Playing with buddys, so I didnt really have a say in Wrath or TBC, i do really preffer tbc but...
2. Have a Razer Anansi so macro should be possbile if i even had the slightest clue what or how to do it xD

Thanks for replying and not hating me for wanting to skip farming skinnies

#1535663 by Kakeka (Power User) at 2013-07-10 16:46:43 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

I think most bots are on ownedcore, it also has a community so it should be fairly easy to see if the bot gets you banned or not.

#1535670 by Xiggiduna (User) at 2013-07-10 17:37:43 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Are there WOTLK servers as well? Thought people only played vanilla. WOTLK is definitely the best expansion they released. And thank god after the garbage TBC, considered the worst one. So I guess I can see people wanting to play it.

Do you play it for the PvP? I know friends who still play WOTLK tournaments.

#1535676 by Krabben (Power User) at 2013-07-10 18:21:34 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Xiggiduna wrote:

Are there WOTLK servers as well? Thought people only played vanilla. WOTLK is definitely the best expansion they released. And thank god after the garbage TBC, considered the worst one. So I guess I can see people wanting to play it.

Do you play it for the PvP? I know friends who still play WOTLK tournaments.

I play PvP yes, and i do belive i didnt want any hating or rudness here. People can like what exp they want.

^^

#1535680 by grip696 (User) at 2013-07-10 19:58:47 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Xiggiduna wrote:

Are there WOTLK servers as well? Thought people only played vanilla. WOTLK is definitely the best expansion they released. And thank god after the garbage TBC, considered the worst one. So I guess I can see people wanting to play it.

Do you play it for the PvP? I know friends who still play WOTLK tournaments.

WotLK was 1 of most unbalanced expansions up till this day. Even MoP is better in that aspect. DKs and Wars was always on top, probably no need for healer cuz dk in burst 2 shot them with Shadowmourne (wars used macro /cast charge /cast mortal strike /autoattack and it was done with same weapon). Not to mantion that DKs could tank in any specc and dps in any specc so pvp wise it was terrible. Ah and DKS could Death strike as much as they could so they were almost invinci. And much much more.

Dunno in which dimesion you are living and how you were able to send message from it to this dimension, but WotLK was 1 of the worst expansions.

OT: Dunno about any bots, cuz most of them are updated and stuff and usually is hard to get them not updated to current expansion, but maybe you will get one. As far as i can tell, you won't find bot working on private server cuz most of them are made to work on blizz platform and all private servers just emulate it with better or worse result. Commands maybe diffrent, some may work or not, smth can spawn or not etc. So you would have to customize it by yourslef to specific server

Last edited by grip696 at 2013-07-10 20:15:05

#1535682 by Xi0nicDonor (Power User) at 2013-07-10 20:14:54 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

I use a driver program called ATI Tray Tools, it's sort of like the Nvidia Control Panel or RivaTuner, but for ATI cards.

A few years ago Molten introduced their anti-cheat system called Sentinel, it's basically the same thing as Warden (blizzard's anti-cheat).
The first time I logged in after they activated it, I got flagged as a hacker immediately, and banned for 90 days.

I made an appeal, they emailed me debug info which PROVED I was a hacker (obviously I wasn't).  I made several posts on their forums and had an email convo with one of their admins, they insisted I was a long-term hacker finally getting busted, and justice was being done.  They thought they had finally "caught the criminal" so to speak.

They insisted to me REPEATIDLY that Sentinel was flawless, and there were no false flags.  They said this to me a dozen times during my conversations with staff.

During the ban I made some extra accounts to try and find the problem and ended up with this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xpRAvnNYLg

I reinstalled WoW and cleaned up my running processes, and 3 months later I tried to play again, and immediately got banned again!  For another 90 days.  Same as last time.

Well a few months after I uploaded that youtube video, Molten made an announcement that ATI Tray Tools was causing Sentinel bans and users should stop using it.  You can even see ATI Tray Tools in my video.

They never apologized to me, I asked them repeatidly if they would reimburse the 6 MONTHS OF FALSE BANS they gave me, and they never did anything.  They just delete my posts and ignore my emails.  Not one word about it.

Now do you want to hear the best part?!
Prior to those bans, I had been playing Molten WoW for about 2 years.  I had donated a total of $1,500 USD to their server during that time.

Yet they still gave me 2 bullshit bans, which I thoroughly proved were bullshit and they later confirmed were bullshit, and did nothing to make up for it.

Fuck Molten.

Last edited by Xi0nic at 2013-07-10 20:16:49

#1535684 by zaktronDonor (Power User) at 2013-07-10 20:22:40 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Dont get how you can say TBC was the worst expansion pack and WOTLK the best, its the other way around loved TBC was hardcore raiding back then great raids and it was hard and herorics beat your ass hard unless your was geared for it as a holy priest it was amazing not just slacking had to be on your toes all the time.

I miss those times wow is just boring now havent playd since last year did try some on pvt server but it just isent the same, but guess its also cause you miss the people your been playing with for years.

#1535685 by Krabben (Power User) at 2013-07-10 20:39:34 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Xi0nic wrote:

I use a driver program called ATI Tray Tools, it's sort of like the Nvidia Control Panel or RivaTuner, but for ATI cards.

A few years ago Molten introduced their anti-cheat system called Sentinel, it's basically the same thing as Warden (blizzard's anti-cheat).
The first time I logged in after they activated it, I got flagged as a hacker immediately, and banned for 90 days.

I made an appeal, they emailed me debug info which PROVED I was a hacker (obviously I wasn't).  I made several posts on their forums and had an email convo with one of their admins, they insisted I was a long-term hacker finally getting busted, and justice was being done.  They thought they had finally "caught the criminal" so to speak.

They insisted to me REPEATIDLY that Sentinel was flawless, and there were no false flags.  They said this to me a dozen times during my conversations with staff.

During the ban I made some extra accounts to try and find the problem and ended up with this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xpRAvnNYLg

I reinstalled WoW and cleaned up my running processes, and 3 months later I tried to play again, and immediately got banned again!  For another 90 days.  Same as last time.

Well a few months after I uploaded that youtube video, Molten made an announcement that ATI Tray Tools was causing Sentinel bans and users should stop using it.  You can even see ATI Tray Tools in my video.

They never apologized to me, I asked them repeatidly if they would reimburse the 6 MONTHS OF FALSE BANS they gave me, and they never did anything.  They just delete my posts and ignore my emails.  Not one word about it.

Now do you want to hear the best part?!
Prior to those bans, I had been playing Molten WoW for about 2 years.  I had donated a total of $1,500 USD to their server during that time.

Yet they still gave me 2 bullshit bans, which I thoroughly proved were bullshit and they later confirmed were bullshit, and did nothing to make up for it.

Fuck Molten.

What did this have to do with the topic?

#1535691 by Xiggiduna (User) at 2013-07-11 00:06:11 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

I guess nobody here actually played TBC or raided. To say it was the best expansion is to say that you pretty much did not play the other ones or just started playing WoW during TBC. I have not found a single person that raided during TBC that can say anything good about it. It was a testing ground to see what new dumb shit they could use. Every single raid up to Sunwell was terrible and 1/10 on the fun scale. Thank god for Wotlk.

But I can see casuals thinking TBC was the best when you got your flying mount and pretty new gear from that hard 5 man heroic. So that's cute.

#1535692 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2013-07-11 00:06:25 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Krabben wrote:


What did this have to do with the topic?

that you will get banned as they apparently use a very sensitive anti-cheat system which auto-bans so using any of those botting programs will instantly set off a red flag.

*edit* btw I forget the name of the site (its not feenix or mango) but they are scripting a 2.4.3 vanilla wow server to be completely blitzlike. It is still not open to the public but it is supposedly coming online late 2013.

Last edited by qbert95 at 2013-07-11 00:10:10

#1535697 by j0nttu (Power User) at 2013-07-11 06:37:43 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Xiggiduna wrote:

I guess nobody here actually played TBC or raided. To say it was the best expansion is to say that you pretty much did not play the other ones or just started playing WoW during TBC. I have not found a single person that raided during TBC that can say anything good about it. It was a testing ground to see what new dumb shit they could use. Every single raid up to Sunwell was terrible and 1/10 on the fun scale. Thank god for Wotlk.

But I can see casuals thinking TBC was the best when you got your flying mount and pretty new gear from that hard 5 man heroic. So that's cute.

I raided in TBC, and can honestly say it was the best expansion so far. I quit raiding shortly after Trial of the Crusader was released but have played Cata and MoP somewhat casually, and to me TBC was the most fun i had in wow since vanilla.

#1535699 by sauriel (Power User) at 2013-07-11 09:20:25 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

I thought both TBC and WOTLK were good expansions, for people like me that had work it was pretty awesome getting home at 7 to raid with the guild in WOTLK and actually being able to DOWN bosses for a change.
This wasn't possible in TBC, when you weren't raiding you had to farm your ass off for ress gear and/or other items that many times would include getting exalted with a specific faction.
It was more hardcore there's no denying the fact, but for people that only had a specific amount of time of the day it was a welcoming change in WOTLK.

#1535701 by Jooboo (Power User) at 2013-07-11 10:34:28 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Xiggiduna wrote:

I guess nobody here actually played TBC or raided. To say it was the best expansion is to say that you pretty much did not play the other ones or just started playing WoW during TBC. I have not found a single person that raided during TBC that can say anything good about it. It was a testing ground to see what new dumb shit they could use. Every single raid up to Sunwell was terrible and 1/10 on the fun scale. Thank god for Wotlk.

But I can see casuals thinking TBC was the best when you got your flying mount and pretty new gear from that hard 5 man heroic. So that's cute.

I did in vanilla and start of tbc. Quit when game went downhill and tried coming back in wotlk but everything was so easy and dumbed down to shit.

#1535703 by Xiggiduna (User) at 2013-07-11 12:13:22 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

j0nttu wrote:



I raided in TBC, and can honestly say it was the best expansion so far. I quit raiding shortly after Trial of the Crusader was released but have played Cata and MoP somewhat casually, and to me TBC was the most fun i had in wow since vanilla.

So you are saying you raided in one expansion but didnt play wotlk, and semi played the other ones. So the one you actually played was the best one?   That's the only reason one can like TBC over any other expansion.

Edi1t: Same theme with the rest of you guys. It's like saying Uncharted 1 was the best one. Didnt play the other ones except Uncharted 2 that one time and it was kinda booring, so it's definitely the worst one.

Edit2: There was nothing hard about TBC until you got to Sunwell. Like I said the raiding was a testing ground and so was Arena because it was just introduced. The few guilds that actually had to raid the raids before the casuals had the opportunity to use their bossmods, it was the most boring expansion ever. Awful boss designs, awful mechanics, awful "new" wave of mobs design. Everything was just a testing ground to see what players wanted. And it wasn't that. Then Sunwell came and saved many from quitting that expansion. Also the one thing that kept many going was the rumours of the Wotlk expansion.

So if you didn't know or care for anything about what actually raiding was, then you probably wouln't have known how bad TBC was. Thankfully they redeemed themselves with Wotlk. Ulduar was a huge success with introduced hardmodes and ICC is still the 2nd best raid since Vanilla Naxxramas. I remember having over 400 whipes on Lich King HC before kill him and nobody was even bumed about whiping so much because it was such a fun and intense boss. PvP really took off aswell in Wotlk. There are tons of  WOTLK tournaments still going strong to this day. Making Wotlk have the best lore, pvp and raiding experiances and new mechanics.

But then again it's all opinions. I can't speak for those who played one expansion then didn't play that the other one and so forth, and still have the gut to say one was better than the other. Had you been playing ("playing" as in more than just a few heroic 5mans a day) and actually had a clue about the game, you probably would have loved the hell out of Wotlk and everything it had to offer for the raider and pvper.

Last edited by Xiggiduna at 2013-07-11 12:33:02

#1535704 by j0nttu (Power User) at 2013-07-11 12:50:29 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

I raided in vanilla, TBC(cleared sunwell before the 3.0 patch) and everything up to Trial of the Crusader in wotlk in a hardcore PvE guild, after that i have played on and off casually, and yes, i have done most of the raids in Cataclysm and few raids in MoP before i quit for good. I enjoyed TBC alot, but i just did not like the casual feel in Wotlk and Clearing new content in a day or 2 max. It just seemed too easy and pointless to me.

Imo nothing comes close to  M'uru, Kael'thas or Lady Vashj etc. in difficult, and those were one of the bosses i had most fun playing.

But maybe memories grow sweeter with time

Last edited by j0nttu at 2013-07-11 12:52:26

#1535711 by Jooboo (Power User) at 2013-07-11 15:31:30 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Xiggiduna wrote:

Edi1t: Same theme with the rest of you guys. It's like saying Uncharted 1 was the best one. Didnt play the other ones except Uncharted 2 that one time and it was kinda booring, so it's definitely the worst one.

Except we did play the other ones. Difference was that you needed a guild to progress pre TBC nerf.

Xiggiduna wrote:


Edit2: There was nothing hard about TBC until you got to Sunwell. Like I said the raiding was a testing ground and so was Arena because it was just introduced. The few guilds that actually had to raid the raids before the casuals had the opportunity to use their bossmods, it was the most boring expansion ever. Awful boss designs, awful mechanics, awful "new" wave of mobs design. Everything was just a testing ground to see what players wanted. And it wasn't that. Then Sunwell came and saved many from quitting that expansion. Also the one thing that kept many going was the rumours of the Wotlk expansion.

Actually everything was hard in TBC until the nerfs. And the nerfs came before Sunwell.

Most guilds did struggle in most dungeons except Karazhan. And that one did take a week to complete. Nihilum that was the best guild in the world spent a lot of time raiding trying to get world firsts and they did multiple times.
In WOTLK raiding got so easy they had to cheat to prevent casuals from completing the dungeons before them. So they lost the world first on the Lich King and got temp banned.
Raids no longer took days or weeks to complete like in vanilla and tbc it was now down to minutes and in some cases a day or two.

And PVP was far from balanced. My DK got 6k hits at level 60 killing cloth in one hit and two shotting prot tanks and feral druids.
And with the first "revamp" we became tank mages dealing more damage ranged than mages rotating only death coil and icy touch and being the best dps tanks in the game.

AND my favorite class rogue got changed quite a bit. Was still fun to play but they removed the requirements to stand behind your target to mutilate. And in pandaria they removed it from backstab and made rogues very boring to play just like all the other classes.

#1535730 by grip696 (User) at 2013-07-11 20:22:21 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Xiggiduna wrote:


So you are saying you raided in one expansion but didnt play wotlk, and semi played the other ones. So the one you actually played was the best one? (...)you probably would have loved the hell out of Wotlk and everything it had to offer for the raider and pvper.

^Shortend it just to give ppl a clue what i'm talking about.

I really don't think there was any best expansion, cuz every expansion had their ups and downs. But TBC was better than WotLK in many ways.

From pvp point of few the only thing that WotLK changed for plus was honor points (so no more badges) to get pvp gear, but this change was made during 4.0.1 patch so pre-cata and can't be really counted to WotLK achivments. Other than that it was faboulous what DKs could do in that expansion. DKs broken the pvp so bad with many OP maechanics and skills, that you were bound to play 2 classes in that expansion if you wanted to be any good in pvp which is DKs and Wars. Paladins could use Shadowmourne but they were weak ,even with all those changes introduced in WotLK, compared to other 2.

PvE wise WotLK intorduced many things, apart from using this cannons and other bullshit you also got this funny Dungeon Finder, Gear Score, Achievements.

Dungeon Finder was first step to kill world pvp, and not leaving Dalaran at all as soon as you hit 80. It also meant free epics to practicly anyone and coused first big stir about "if you can get epic gear so easy what's the point?" and now you have mess with Raid Finder thanks to this.

Gear Score, now called ilvl, changed whole mentality about playing this game in which whatever you do or how good you were went down to those 4 digits (now 3 digits). Yea, it was really bad.

Achievements did pretty much same thing, but additionaly you got rewarded for doing smth and sometimes you could get mount or tabard for doing smth. One side will tell achievements are great, others will say they were pointless (yea i'm in that other group). They were this boredom killer feature (not good or bad).

About raid bosses judging from fact that ICC was nerfed so hard bearly 1 month after it got released, it didn't really added anything significant to boss and mechanics table apart from Lich King and ship. Naxx was redesigned vanilla raid, OS was a joke same as VoA, EoE was ok but it was 1 boss and not even an option to go 40 man on it (Yea you are right 40-man Raids died in WotLK). Ulduar was ok too, but except for Algalon there was no really fun mechanics to it and first boss could be soloed due to flaved design Onxia Lair was redisigned vanilla raid again, rofl. Only TotC standed out and it was really great addition, but in later parts of the game it died and they didn't devoted to this concept much.

So i really don't know what are you talking about when you say it was really great in WotLK, becouse it wasn't. Nor pvp or pve wise it didn't added anything awsome to the game. It only dumbed it down, filled gameplay with pointless tasks and broken pvp balace (i remeber rep runs in icc, superbly stupid), spraying epic gear on everybody.

#1535741 by Xiggiduna (User) at 2013-07-11 22:35:52 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Jooboo wrote:

Xiggiduna wrote:


Edit2: There was nothing hard about TBC until you got to Sunwell. Like I said the raiding was a testing ground and so was Arena because it was just introduced. The few guilds that actually had to raid the raids before the casuals had the opportunity to use their bossmods, it was the most boring expansion ever. Awful boss designs, awful mechanics, awful "new" wave of mobs design. Everything was just a testing ground to see what players wanted. And it wasn't that. Then Sunwell came and saved many from quitting that expansion. Also the one thing that kept many going was the rumours of the Wotlk expansion.

Actually everything was hard in TBC until the nerfs. And the nerfs came before Sunwell.



Actually nothing was hard pre sunwell. You don't seem like you've experienced world first raiding. There's a difference between hard and bugged/non working mechanics.

TBC wouldn't have been called an expansion without Sunwell.

And while you are on the subject of Kungen. Kungen said that he wouldn't have played TBC if it wasnt for the race. It was only thing that kept him going in that expansion. Everything else was terrible. And most people agree.

The ones here that don't agree have all said they either didn't play the other expansions or didn't actually play a lot during them because "it was boring in the begining so I quit".

It's amazing how people can judge  and give their opinion on 4 expansions with only have played some of them/little of them. The opinion is instantly worthless.

Jooboo wrote:


In WOTLK raiding got so easy they had to cheat to prevent casuals from completing the dungeons before them. So they lost the world first on the Lich King and got temp banned.
Raids no longer took days or weeks to complete like in vanilla and tbc it was now down to minutes and in some cases a day or two.

Hahahaha WHAT? This pretty much just summed up what I thought. Cluless fucking people.. haha jesus christ.

Jooboo wrote:


And PVP was far from balanced. My DK got 6k hits at level 60 killing cloth in one hit and two shotting prot tanks and feral druids.

Because a game is being balanced 25 levels below.

Haha I have no words. I thought I was talking to a different kind of group. Not the casual lowbies who neither knew jack shit about the raiding nor pvp.

Wasting my time trying to influence clueless players about something they already had no idea about. I'd say TBC was probably great for you guys. Not so much for the rest of us who had to actually raid in a race.

Last edited by Xiggiduna at 2013-07-11 22:47:12

#1535771 by zaktronDonor (Power User) at 2013-07-12 12:36:25 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

So all your saying actually is TBC sucked cause you was a no life hardcore raider and kungen said so? ....

For normal people TBC raids was hard and was tons of proff of this, how many guilds did strugle to get futher than Kara.

Lets take SSC..

Hydros before nerfs people did strugle like hell on this boss for weeks.
Lady Vashj most likely the hardest boss at the time many never killed her actually

TK..

Al'ar was the boss many people was stuck at cause wiping was so easy.
Kael'thas Sunstrider extremely long fight alot of planning was required for this fight just couldt kill adds where ever u wanted

If they dident remove the object to kill vashj and kael many would never have seen mount hyjal and black temple, i do know hyjal was a joke first raid after killing kael we got to archimonde without much trouble.

But ofc its all easy if you keep going all day but 95% of the playerbase dont do this, but compared to WOTLK racing guilds cleaned everything so fucking fast it was insane was it less than 48hrs to clean all raids at launch? , and yes raids was a fucking joke Ulduar was a good raid and difficult was up there but trials and icc was a huge let down tbh.

#1535772 by j0nttu (Power User) at 2013-07-12 12:40:48 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Xiggiduna wrote:


Wasting my time trying to influence clueless players about something they already had no idea about. I'd say TBC was probably great for you guys. Not so much for the rest of us who had to actually raid in a race.

I was in a HC guild that was in the top 15-30 guilds in the world during TBC and Wotlk(according to WoWProgress, best place we had was 13th if i recall correctly), And we raced for the world/server/eu firsts at the time so i know what it is to raid competitively. And the fact that i only raided in a "casual" guild with friends in Cata and start of MoP wont change anything.

Last edited by j0nttu at 2013-07-12 12:41:30

#1536425 by YinchieDonor (Power User) at 2013-07-21 17:01:47 (6 days ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Xigguduna has no idea what he is talking about.
Anything pre-wotlk was pure awesomesauce and wow went downhill after it, going easy mode... is what I mean.

Been a hardcore raider since vanilla.

Xiggu probably sucked pre wotlk when the game was actually difficult.

#1536538 by Moosdijk (Power User) at 2013-07-21 22:26:59 (6 days ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

umad?

#1536551 by Xi0nicDonor (Power User) at 2013-07-21 23:12:10 (6 days ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Has the game gotten easier or have people gotten better at playing it?

The longer the game exists, the more people will join, the more time they have to get good, the better reputation they can make for themselves (same with guilds).  So now after so many years we have well known guilds, well known players, the ability to realm transfer between guilds, and of course people have theorycrafted the game into the ground and people have mastered their class.  Then you have things like addons which make playing the game easier, and Blizzard doesn't really directly control.

People who are WoW "pro's" right now are probably 10 times better than "pro's" from vanilla/TBC.  The issue is that your skills gradually improve and over the course of 8 years everyone has slowly gotten better at the game.

Also 40-man raids were just retarded.

Last edited by Xi0nic at 2013-07-21 23:18:38

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