I have read and re-read the FAQ and posts about PIN codes. I recall them, I know when they were sent out, and I understand the purpose for them. I also understand that it is stated there is absolutely no resetting, etc. I figured I would present my situation to hope someone *may* (/beg) help.
I have my PIN that was assigned to me. I wrote it down as told. The email address that I have on this account is going to be going inactive (not my choice, domain bought by someone else) but when I attempt to handle this by updating my e-mail to a domain I own, it tells me the PIN is not correct.
So I have access to my account, I continue to be a regular, long time user of TB. My problem is very simply that in the near future the e-mail account attached to it will cease to exist and it seems that I am powerless to do anything about it.
I have only attempted to input the PIN once as the warning about 3x attempts gets you locked out has me in fear of losing everything.
I am falling on the sword here so to speak. Is there anything at all I can do?
Edit: I tried another PIN number that I use for some other things, different than what I wrote down originally and it worked. Must have been prompted to change it at some point from the original and I didn't change my original log.
Fairly certain we had to change the code at some point, so the one in your email may be invalid indeed. I fear for my account for the same reason. I have a PIN, but haven't tested it to see if it's the correct one.
Everyone got a message that forced you to change your pincode years ago, try to remember 4 numbers that means anything to you that you would have used.
But else no there is nothing you can do just hope you never loose access to that account so you need to get a new password resend, or some very nice staff helps you but i doubt its gonna happen as it clearly states its your own fault not remembering the passcode you made yourself.
Just a thought on this: Verification PIN code has been a problem/issue/forum thread for 5 years. Nobody remembers it or claims that the code entered is the right one when the system says wrong one, or some variation therein. Perhaps it's time to do away with this.
Yes, yes, I know it's akin to heresy to tell the staff here what to do but I'm not telling you what to do. I am suggesting. I know one of you will burst in on this comment of mine and claim all sorts of high and mighty reasons why it's 'our way or the highway' but really, bit of constructive critism here. Do away with it or do the mass change again. You gave us all something we don't use, need or remember. Perhaps fixing it should be on the to-do list.
I was given a 4 digit code, told to change it, I *changed* it to the exact same 4 digit code I was issued. Received verification that it was done. Guess what? It doesn't work, surprise surprise. I know, ring a ding ding, you don't care. Trouble is, you do care, because you came up with a bit of security you thought we needed. Great. Terrific. Security is wonderful. Remind me, what's it done for IRC and what it's done to stop these threads from popping up?
Anyways, tl;dr, it's a long standing problem a fix needs to be considered. Please.
#1535261 by unknown[81460] at 2013-07-04 18:46:30 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]
makes allot of sense uberrig but one thing I DO remember from staff is trying to change something "certain staffers" don't agree to is like pissing in the wind and you have more chance of moving a mountain. If it requires coding, rule of thumb = forget it.
Allot: (Transient verb) To assign as a share or portion.
A lot: (phrase) Multiple or many, to a varying degree.
alot: Typically considered a misspelling. Not a word.
Sorry. Pet peeve.
I assume you meant 'transitive verb' since the transient of 'allot' would be allotted. IE: I was alloted a second chance to fix my PIN code through a new verification process enabled by the coding staff at TBy.
"Alot" is actually a word. It is a legitimate contraction of an adverb. Being educated in Canada we were taught, properly I might add, that there are two accepted spellings but context will dictate whether one is lazy in describing a method of portioning versus one correctly contracting two words. It's the beauty of the English language versus the slovenly American English that couldn't spell behaviour properly if it's proverbial life depended on it. (Yes, I'm aware that BoB did in fact spell it wrong due to context and that being where he's from he should know better.)
On topic: Cheers BoB, I'm aware that I'm tilting at a windmill of virtually my own making, but tilt I will in the vain hope that things will be seen in a secondary light. At least in regards to this PIN code business.
The Franciscans I had in school would have beat my ass (actually wrists/hands) with their rope belt if "alot" were used in any type of formal writing. In fact, I had to manually correct the autocorrect on my phone when I just typed it, twice. First it changed it to "a lot" then, when I deleted the space, it tried to make it "allot". It was necessary to manually add it to the dictionary, so I'll stick to my guns that "alot" is not a word in the English language.
Edit: Edit: Yup, you're definatly incorrect, regardless of what type of sloppy English they taught you up there in canukistan. Each and every grammatical reference I can find disagrees that it's a proper contraction.
#1535271 by unknown[81460] at 2013-07-04 20:21:37 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]
The post made sense.
Fuck me mbodnar you search google but dont search the site you staff
I could get anal also but that wouldnt help anyone.
Pin codes were introduced cos staff were too fukin lazy to interact with members , bottom line and fuck anyone who disagrees cos i was part of that decision.
FACT as site admin I probs got about 5 messages a week from users, I never attended IRC but in simple terms pincodes were introduced to reduce a non existent workload, heaven forbid someone may have to help a user while lording it over them.
to put it simply those who frequented IRC cried like bitches and pin codes were introduced, allot of other stuff was going on at the same time, but this was mainly 2 perhaps 3 peoples dumb ass idea
edit: just to add you take the people who messaged me with an issue and ask them about their response from me , then look at an ass hat like VBG who simply shouldn't be allowed to staff a fukin traffic jam let alone a torrent site you will see a massive difference. Shit like pin codes hit the site due to lazy coders and bad judgement from myself. I took too much info from a couple of people who were nothing but bad for this site, unfortunately they are still in the spotlight. Also I can assure you they aren't the ones keeping the site running financially ! Users dont get to see the bad apples that ruin the barrel.
Pin codes were introduced cos staff were too fukin lazy to interact with members , bottom line and fuck anyone who disagrees cos i was part of that decision.
Not.
Im sorry bob, but this is enough, your constant staff / site bashing has became a problem, the buick stops here.
Never understood the stupid pincode either, site is no where super secret or anything anyone can signup here without a problem so loosing account makes no danger.
And to staff i never and will never ask for any help here, DXC been the only nice guy ive talked too, way to many like VBG talks like his god doing whatever on forums, compared to other sites staff here isent very friendly and helpfull.
I i get a warning or deleted for saying shit be my guest you dont like it i know that much, you see alot over 8 years here on the forums.
The Franciscans I had in school would have beat my ass (actually wrists/hands) with their rope belt if "alot" were used in any type of formal writing. In fact, I had to manually correct the autocorrect on my phone when I just typed it, twice. First it changed it to "a lot" then, when I deleted the space, it tried to make it "allot". It was necessary to manually add it to the dictionary, so I'll stick to my guns that "alot" is not a word in the English language.
Edit: Edit: Yup, you're definatly incorrect, regardless of what type of sloppy English they taught you up there in canukistan. Each and every grammatical reference I can find disagrees that it's a proper contraction.
First search: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alot -> what do I see there? " Others view it as a legitimate contraction." It IS a legitimate contraction. BTW, Franciscans teaching English Grammar after they've sworn themselves to a life of poverty is the absolute height of hilarity. It's like pick one already. Grammar or poverty. Can't have both. Incidentally, all ready or already? Always or all ways? Almost or all most? Another set of illegitimate contractrions or do the Franciscans have a say in that as well?
On topic, good to know what brought about the PIN codes, but doesn't answer my query about a permanent fix for it. 5 years of threads being started for queries about PIN codes tells me there's an inherent problem with them. So, is fixing the issue on the horizon or is it still 'up yours uber, our way or the highway'?
I know I am supposed to edit my original post, I did once but the inflation of what has happened in this thread seemed worthy of a reply and would seem out of chronological sequence if I edited it now.
I had my pin written down from the day I got it. What I do not recall was at some point we had to change them, and at that time I changed the pin to something I use much more frequently.
VBG sent me a very helpful e-mail giving me some memory jogging that helped me think what else I may have used when prompted to change it. The one and only private response I got with help was from VBG. To be clear, he didn't tell me what it was - just some pointers in the right direction.
Now that I know what my PIN is, its all good. Truly the blame here is on me for not updating my original notes when I was prompted to change it. As to the attitude of some of the posts in this thread, it is why I put the *fear* in my post title - some people are just FULL of attitude and need to beat down on others when they really have no room/reason/right to.
I avoid the forums for pretty much this reason. I love TB, have been around for a god awful long time, and didn't want to risk my membership here.
On topic, good to know what brought about the PIN codes,
Which is not how bob explained it.
The pin codes were implemented because there was a time period when lot of accounts were hacked by script kiddies. After the account was hacked the pw and email was changed, thus leaving the real owner out. That's the original reason, it was safety feature to protect users.
First when people forgot their pins, they came to irc and staff gave them the pin (if it was clear that the person most likely is the real account holder) and then the account was locked for 7 days (as a reminder for them not for keeping their pin number in a safe place as was asked).
Then after a while it became obvious that if people know that they can get their pins from irc just like that, they don't bother to look after their pin number and irc was flooded of people requiring thei pin number.
It was then decided by staff in concensus that this is not working, the pin is there for their protection, some responsibility is required from the users too --> no more pin dealing, a pm to users including their pin and thats it.
Well it didn't work, most of the people had their pin in the site pm and when they forgot their pw and tried to recover a pw, they didn't have a clue about their pin.
That was aknowledged and the system was tweaked the way that every users was forced to assing a new pin of their own, we figured that if people would assign their own number instead of system assignin it, they would remember it (many would use birth date variant, phone pin / bank card pin etc.).
And it has worked pretty well, most of the people now remember their pin or if they don't, they remember it after few hints (like in this particular case in this thread),cause the number is something which they either use or have other meaning for them.
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So, is fixing the issue on the horizon or is it still 'up yours uber, our way or the highway'?
What do you mean by fixing it ?
Removing a safety feature from the site because you forgot your pin ?
You assigned the pin yourself, if you remember what you assigned, it will work, if you forgot your pin, it's the the fault of the system ?
For every "I don't care about security features" user there is a one who appriciates the extra security, no matter what, there is always somebody who is not happy.
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Shit like pin codes hit the site due to lazy coders and bad judgement from myself.
Why would a lazy coder take upon a task which requires coding if the current situation would require no coding ?
The reasons why pincodes were implemented are represented above.
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or a kind coder changed it for me. I forgets now. See a pattern there :goggle:
