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#1531981 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2013-05-23 23:15:11 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

guys there are more than 7 billion people around the world, more than 850 million people living in countries they were not born in. That means children of foreigners are not counted..then its more than 1.5 billion..

Many of us are living in very safe societies..and we are all hyper-connected.

facebook,twitter,instagram...tv..smartphones..the internet..radio.


While this was very tragic and absolutely horrible. Remember that we are living much much better/safer lives than a few generations ago. Despite the fact that we are globalizing.

For example..remember world war I and worldwar II.

In 1937-1945 about 73 million people died..thats almost an average of 10 million people a year. Vast majority of those were civilians..and the vast majority in this small contininent. (Europe).

Then we had world war I and the balkan wars.

We are many more people now, yet very little bloodshed compared to before. Thats why we tend to overreact.

Check all the conflicts from 1900-2012. You will see that the wars that are being fought today are very humane compared to previous ones.

There is no doubt in my mind that the arc of history is slow and at many times painful, but that it ultimately bends towards justice.

The world is not nearly as bad as some people say it is.

Last edited by dodeliatcha at 2013-05-23 23:17:21

#1531990 by slacker4life (Power User) at 2013-05-24 01:51:34 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

^^ that is all very true

but that doesn't mean more can't be done.  supporting mass immigration of peoples who hate the places they are going to is just one thing that should be better looked at.

#1531994 by Timex (Power User) at 2013-05-24 05:02:07 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

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In 1937-1945 about 73 million people died..thats almost an average of 10 million people a year. Vast majority of those were civilians

From 1900-2000 over 100 million people died at the hands of their own governments most always after being first disarmed.

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Check all the conflicts from 1900-2012. You will see that the wars that are being fought today are very humane compared to previous ones.

Depends on your definition of the word "humane".

#1531995 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2013-05-24 05:47:29 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

Brits advise troops to cower in fear.  link

#1531998 by mrunne (Power User) at 2013-05-24 06:58:50 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

mbodnar wrote:

Brits advise troops to cower in fear.  link

Thats insane. It's almost like they are saying the soldiers should be ashamed of what they are and that the islamists have the right to attack anyone wearing a uniform.

#1532001 by alupigus (Lumberjack) at 2013-05-24 07:31:30 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

mbodnar wrote:

Brits advise troops to cower in fear.  link

That`s a disgrace.What`s next abolish the army. Unbelievable.

on topic...

video of terrorists charging at police car to try to kill WPC

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=84c_1369344545

...I kind of like watching this.

Last edited by alupigus at 2013-05-24 08:01:32

#1532012 by lol2k345Donor (Power User) at 2013-05-24 08:52:20 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

alupigus wrote:

mbodnar wrote:

Brits advise troops to cower in fear.  link

That`s a disgrace.What`s next abolish the army. Unbelievable.

on topic...

video of terrorists charging at police car to try to kill WPC

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=84c_1369344545

...I kind of like watching this.

Lovely video, at least some countries still have police with balls (neighbors). I liked the doubletap on that last fucker

#1532016 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-05-24 09:46:47 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

Thats multiculturalist europe today, police has to shoot people with assault rifles in the middle of the day because they are attacked by people using machetes and buthers knives.

#1532021 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2013-05-24 11:06:18 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

They should have advised them to not leave base without their sidearm.

#1532023 by CrazyAmyBThis account is disabled (User) at 2013-05-24 11:10:46 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

sniperfin wrote:

Calling me a cunt has always ended up in a disable, this is no exception and I won't debate about it.

I am astonished, this logic is so fucked up its almost funny, almost.

No punishment for a blatantly racist comment, someone is very offended by it and calls you a cunt and that is not even close to as bad as the racist shit you spewed onto my screen.

Your actions and comments are deeply offensive to me and in reality the word "cunt" is a bit tame in all honesty, absolutely terrible forum moderation, terrible!

Wow, just wow.

If a regular member said what you said they would be history and you know it!

I take it no one here has the "power" to punish you right?

Must be nice....

#1532026 by Green (Der Tommy) at 2013-05-24 11:28:41 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

alupigus wrote:



video of terrorists charging at police car to try to kill WPC

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=84c_1369344545

...I kind of like watching this.

Shot by a white woman, was Allah not protecting him from something as shamefull as this? :unsure:

BTW, this prick was born and raised here, he was not just "off the boat".

#1532031 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-05-24 12:04:49 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

CrazyAmyB wrote:

sniperfin wrote:

Calling me a cunt has always ended up in a disable, this is no exception and I won't debate about it.

I am astonished, this logic is so fucked up its almost funny, almost.

No punishment for a blatantly racist comment, someone is very offended by it and calls you a cunt and that is not even close to as bad as the racist shit you spewed onto my screen.

Your actions and comments are deeply offensive to me and in reality the word "cunt" is a bit tame in all honesty, absolutely terrible forum moderation, terrible!

Wow, just wow.

If a regular member said what you said they would be history and you know it!

I take it no one here has the "power" to punish you right?

Must be nice....

:yawn:

How many times it has to be explained, if you are offended by something, then you address the matter in civil manner, thats it.

And now ends here, this topic is about the attack, talk about it, not something else.


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BTW, this prick was born and raised here, he was not just "off the boat".

Just tells about how much brainwashing and hate teaching there is going on in them mosques of england. And nobody dares to address that problem in the fear of being labeled as islamofobic.

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#1532032 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-05-24 12:27:58 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

sniperfin wrote:



Quote:

BTW, this prick was born and raised here, he was not just "off the boat".

Just tells about how much brainwashing and hate teaching there is going on in them mosques of england. And nobody dares to address that problem in the fear of being labeled as islamofobic.

The one identified as Michael come from a Christian family, so he is a convert. Zealous with more to prove, tools for people like the hate preacher Anjem Choudary.

#1532033 by unknown[81460] at 2013-05-24 12:28:16 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

mbodnar wrote:

They should have advised them to not leave base without their sidearm.

The base is integrated into the town buddy. Family quarters are in residential areas. At least they were when i was there ( many years ago)

Edit: just read some comments above, disgusting.

#1532040 by Arnemes (Power User) at 2013-05-24 13:54:54 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

mbodnar wrote:

They should have advised them to not leave base without their sidearm.

As I understand it. Not even the cops are wearing side-arms, so I don't see that happen.

#1532043 by slacker4life (Power User) at 2013-05-24 15:05:46 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

i can understand them saying not to wear your uniform out of base.  i would be hard pressed to say otherwise as well knowing they can't carry a firearm  or anything.  good way to get gang murdered with a bullseye.

still unbelievable the amount of hate the brits tolerate in their own lands.  from where i see it you practically take some hate and then say you are sorry.  almost makes me thankful for the rednecks in the USA, that shit would fly about 6 feet..... into the ground.  seriously even the boston bombers had most americans up in arms, it's one good thing about the USA. black, white, red, pink whatever we all kind of join together for justice when shit like that happens.

edit: how the cops don't have guns with the onslaught of religious nut jobs walking your streets is nuts too.

edit2: happy to see at least the police who took them down had some balls and didn't shoot them in the foot and try and talk nice.

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#1532044 by Melrose86 (User) at 2013-05-24 15:17:53 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

wont be long before all cops are armed and your army are walking about with guns to, cops here walk about with a side arm, and assault rifles, and thats just the cops

#1532045 by Arnemes (Power User) at 2013-05-24 15:21:21 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

Melrose86 wrote:

wont be long before all cops are armed and your army are walking about with guns to, cops here walk about with a side arm, and assault rifles, and thats just the cops

Where in Ireland do you live o.O

#1532046 by Melrose86 (User) at 2013-05-24 15:28:11 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

derry, northern ireland

#1532047 by alupigus (Lumberjack) at 2013-05-24 15:35:19 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

slacker4life wrote:

still unbelievable the amount of hate the brits tolerate in their own lands.  from where i see it you practically take some hate and then say you are sorry.

Agree.I`m surprise to see that and I confess that I don`t get it.

#1532075 by ezzy525Donor (Not a spy, just a mod.) at 2013-05-24 18:39:56 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

I want all of our Police to be armed and for all of our Armed Forces to be able to carry their weapons with them. They have them on the battlefield...when the war comes to London, they should have their guns then too.

#1532076 by unknown[81460] at 2013-05-24 18:43:23 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

alupigus wrote:

slacker4life wrote:

still unbelievable the amount of hate the brits tolerate in their own lands.  from where i see it you practically take some hate and then say you are sorry.

Agree.I`m surprise to see that and I confess that I don`t get it.

In the UK it is the white, christian UK born and bred who are the ones discriminated against.  It is completely messed up.

#1532078 by slacker4life (Power User) at 2013-05-24 18:59:43 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

possibly the only time the most powerful groups in the world are practically letting themselves get taken over/advantage of by thugs, savages and lazy degenerates.  way to go modern liberals.

people say but white people took over the indians land, it's not theirs.  but in fact it is as the indians themselves took from other tribes and a clearly more powerful people at the time took it from them.  the strong survive as we've seen from all of history.  but today in america we are seeing the broken ideas of progressive liberals stack up massive debts and paint the wealthy as the bad guys.  in UK and europe it seems as though typically educated, peaceful and kind peoples are simply giving away their safety, money and traditions to immigrants that don't give a shit about them and may even want them dead for religious reasons.

i would welcome someone trying to start a war with western worlds, but this infestation from within taking advantage of the blind bleeding hearts disgusts me as it slowly rots away societies.

#1532083 by alupigus (Lumberjack) at 2013-05-24 19:44:55 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

slacker4life wrote:

but this infestation from within taking advantage of the blind bleeding hearts disgusts me as it slowly rots away societies.

.....I don`t know who and why take the decision to open the gates for mass immigration  from countries with a culture total different from Europa but that was a hasty and stupid decision.Nothing good will get out of this and at one point shit will hit the fan.

Some images from France







#1532084 by unknown[81460] at 2013-05-24 19:51:18 (2 months ago) - [Report]Top

In the UK there is a fear of speaking out or even "standing up to" any minority, do so and you are labeled racist, it is crazy.  We all know what racism is, hell it is prevalent in this thread, however in a reverse manner disagree and get banned.

Here there is a culture of accepting others even if they do not accept us or our culture.


The problem is the definition of a racist in my country is severely fucked up, as I have mentioned I would say Sniper comes across as 100% racist, that's his look out, everyone has an opinion.  Someone spoke out and got banned.  Had the same user said the same comment he would also have been banned (selective moderating).  That mirrors opposite what the UK is like today, all non minorities are fair game, our acceptance for others is ridiculous.   Yet they come here and force their views to be accepted yet do shit like hold protests when UK troops return from active duty, burn poppies and entice hate for their residential country and system, yet all the while reap the benefits.  When a white man retaliates by painting a poppy on a mosque the punishment is severe.  All the while members of said mosque can violate our liberties.  It is almost as if these groups have more rights and some form of immunity.

It is a biased society, however the bias favors the minorities.

I don't think arming police or soldiers would make any kind of difference to this, what needs to change is attitudes and laws.  That wont happen overnight.  In the mean time we are stuck with nutters like this.
 

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