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#1526020 by mrunne (Power User) at 2013-03-26 15:48:53 (4 months ago) - [Report]
Timex wrote:
mrunne wrote:
I wonder how long they will be allowed to poster and threaten world peace before something major is done.
They have been doing this from 1950 until today....so I would say for along time more.
This is true I suppose
#1526043 by Timex (Power User) at 2013-03-27 00:33:39 (4 months ago) - [Report]
Far better than them acting on the claims.
I think it was the 1960's the last time that NK > invaded < SK and only a year or two that it has fired on and killed people in SK.
Wait..last week or so NK officially said it has "ended the cease fire" with SK and has moved it's army so close to the border as to prevent any NUKES be used against them.
#1526451 by mrunne (Power User) at 2013-03-30 08:35:17 (4 months ago) - [Report]
And the fun continues, altho technically NK and SK has been at war since 1950 or so, they now have re-declared a state of war.
(Reuters) - North Korea said on Saturday it was entering a "state of war" with South Korea in a continuing escalation of angry rhetoric directed at Seoul and Washington, but the South brushed off the statement as little more than tough talk.
The two Koreas have been technically in a state of war for six decades under an armistice that ended their 1950-53 conflict. Despite its threats few people see any indication Pyongyang will risk a near-certain defeat by re-starting full-scale war.
"From this time on, the North-South relations will be entering the state of war and all issues raised between the North and the South will be handled accordingly," a statement carried by the North's official KCNA news agency said.
Gotta give it to them for standing up to the US. About time they nuke US too. Take on the bullies NK.
Yeah gotta give it to them you going to mourn the billions of lives that will be lost if they are actually crazy enough to attack US bases let alone the US? Thanks for encouraging the unwarranted murder of my fellow countrymen who have never done anything to you. Hopefully your shitty little third world country get's drawn into the conflict and the USA gets to melt whatever stick and mud hut hovel you call home to the ground too you know just for shits and giggles.
Clearly N.K. doesn't comprehend my countries inability to respond proportionally. North Korea lacks the strength to defend themselves against what would come if they actually did attack the USA or South Korea. It would be the end of North Korea and it's people.
If N.K. used a bomb, the response would be 100 fold back at them. Don't think this country won't do it. There are people at the top who have been itching to use the full force of the American military complex since the 60's.
#1526497 by garyb (Power User) at 2013-03-30 22:22:48 (3 months ago) - [Report]
plasmaLCD wrote:
Gotta give it to them for standing up to the US. About time they nuke US too. Take on the bullies NK.
Lets hope there are no idiots like you in NK. Humanity at its best.
Clearly N.K. doesn't comprehend my countries inability to respond proportionally. North Korea lacks the strength to defend themselves against what would come if they actually did attack the USA or South Korea. It would be the end of North Korea and it's people.
I'm not sure "it's people" is appropriate. It would definitely be the end of the current government, and that could only be a good thing. Those who'd survive (i.e. don't get mindlessly thrown against the retaliating South Korean / US troops) could probably lead far better lives afterwards.
The thing that really boggles the mind is... is Kim really that stupid? I can sort of understand if he's just trying to show off (trying to make lots of noise without really attacking) on a political scale - it won't work, but he has nothing to lose. But if he really does start a war, it's the end of him. In that case, he'll lose everything, and cannot possibly gain anything either.
NK has torn up the Armistice in the past and threatened to go to war many times in the past. Even one of the SK defense ministers even said its nothing new. Its not even that big of a story that news sites are not really reporting on it.
NK has torn up the Armistice in the past and threatened to go to war many times in the past. Even one of the SK defense ministers even said its nothing new. Its not even that big of a story that news sites are not really reporting on it.
Very true. NK really is acting like a spoiled brat. Throws a tantrum, tears some papers and throws them around, making a big scene. Except no one really cares any more.
#1526604 by unknown[533976] at 2013-04-01 04:17:33 (3 months ago) - [Report]
Why some countries are allowed to have nukes and some not?
This is one of same bankster story we are seeing last 20 yrs,full of lies like weapons of mass destruction on Iraq etc.In the same time Pakistan is already nuclear power,wich is more non freindly orianted to Usa than North Korea, and defenetly capable of launching nuke and probably that would be on India(also nuclear power) cause they are in little bit better relations than north and south korea's.North know,if they throw weapons, wich they are full off,they will be destroyed like Libya,Syria,Eqypt last days,so that is only way they stay non occupied and souveren country.The things bouth Koreas(both),are that they are puppets in Usa and China global politic game in that part of the world.
By mine opinion nobody should have nukes,and especially country that only used them(Usa) and wich didnt signed nuclear threaty dont have right to decide who and who wont have.Personaly i am more scared of Usa using again soon on somebody(like on North or Iran) than anybody else.Hope this will finish in good way cause of regular people all round the globe
Why some countries are allowed to have nukes and some not?
By mine opinion nobody should have nukes,and especially country that only used them(Usa) and wich didnt signed nuclear threaty dont have right to decide who and who wont have.Personaly i am more scared of Usa using again soon on somebody(like on North or Iran) than anybody else.Hope this will finish in good way cause of regular people all round the globe
The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, commonly known as the Non-Proliferation Treaty or NPT, is an international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy and to further the goal of achieving nuclear disarmament and general and complete disarmament.
Opened for signature in 1968, the Treaty entered into force in 1970. On 11 May 1995, the Treaty was extended indefinitely. A total of 190 parties have joined the Treaty, with five states being recognized as nuclear-weapon states: the United States, Russia, the United Kingdom, France, and China (also the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council). More countries have ratified the NPT than any other arms limitation and disarmament agreement, a testament to the Treaty's significance.
Four non-parties to the treaty are known or believed to possess nuclear weapons: India, Pakistan and North Korea have openly tested and declared that they possess nuclear weapons, while Israel has had a policy of opacity regarding its own nuclear weapons program. North Korea acceded to the treaty in 1985, but never came into compliance, and announced its withdrawal in 2003.
The NPT consists of a preamble and eleven articles. Although the concept of "pillars" is not expressed anywhere in the NPT, the treaty is nevertheless sometimes interpreted as a three-pillar system, with an implicit balance among them:
1.non-proliferation,
2.disarmament, and
3.the right to peacefully use nuclear technology.
The NPT is often seen to be based on a central bargain: “the NPT non-nuclear-weapon states agree never to acquire nuclear weapons and the NPT nuclear-weapon states in exchange agree to share the benefits of peaceful nuclear technology and to pursue nuclear disarmament aimed at the ultimate elimination of their nuclear arsenals
As for your question about who decides who can have them and who cannot. It isn't about who has used them in the past as much as who could use them in the future. Much like you wouldn't give a gun to a monkey giving Nuclear weapons to Theocrats (Iran) and Madmen (NK) is simply out of the question. Pakistan and India did not sign the NPT and while the rest of the world may be unhappy about them having nukes they have proven themselves to be stable and sane over their use (Pakistan's arsenal is in the hands of the secular Military although the risk of them falling into the hands of religious extremists does remain a worry for the entire world)
#1526633 by eseto (Power User) at 2013-04-01 12:58:46 (3 months ago) - [Report]
aLieN wrote:
Why some countries are allowed to have nukes and some not?
This is one of same bankster story we are seeing last 20 yrs,full of lies like weapons of mass destruction on Iraq etc.In the same time Pakistan is already nuclear power,wich is more non freindly orianted to Usa than North Korea, and defenetly capable of launching nuke and probably that would be on India(also nuclear power) cause they are in little bit better relations than north and south korea's.North know,if they throw weapons, wich they are full off,they will be destroyed like Libya,Syria,Eqypt last days,so that is only way they stay non occupied and souveren country.The things bouth Koreas(both),are that they are puppets in Usa and China global politic game in that part of the world.
By mine opinion nobody should have nukes,and especially country that only used them(Usa) and wich didnt signed nuclear threaty dont have right to decide who and who wont have.Personaly i am more scared of Usa using again soon on somebody(like on North or Iran) than anybody else.Hope this will finish in good way cause of regular people all round the globe
You say that like the concept of "fairness" is some birthright. Countries are "allowed" to have nukes if nobody else can stop them, due to their global influence, or simply the threat of using them before ever relinquishing them. The simple fact is NOBODY wants NK to have nukes but NK, and if China didn't feel like keeping them around to play "good cop/bad cop" they'd have rolled over to our demands already due to hunger, seeing as how they produce nothing over there but threats and demands and vitriolic rhetoric. Of course, China doesn't really need them for that anymore (hell, they probably even regret it now, bad investment; then again, Emperor-General MacArthur was probably as batshit as Fat Kim III, so who knows), but they still don't want a flood of refugees when NK eventually implodes after China gets tired of their bullshit.
The world isn't fair, and it's basically *us* vs. *them*. If you're not with us, you're against us, and why should we risk letting *them* have nuclear weapons? Because it's fair? Tell that to your grand kids, when you're explaining to them that they have radiation sickness and deformities because a stray nuke launched by a desperate country with nothing to lose landed on your soil. What's that, your country doesn't have any enemies? Wait awhile, starving people will do any number of normally unthinkable things to feed themselves and their children (more so if they already think you're going to hell for being an infidel), and they don't pick deserving targets, they pick easy ones. It just so happens that having nuclear weapons makes all your targets quite a bit easier. Don't be naive, the world will not leave you alone just because you leave them alone, even if that would be only fair. Fairness is overrated, both in general, and especially when compared to having food in your stomach.
Get over your hatred of 'Murricans, we're not going anywhere (and if/when we do, China's just gonna take our place, and they are not gonna treat the world any better if their behavior in Asia is any indication). Believe it or not, the USA is probably the last country that will ever use nuclear weapons again, simply because we're the last country that would NEED to. The first time wasn't exactly frivolous, ya know? You can start worrying when World War III starts. Japan's probably the only country that has deserved being nuked in the history of the Earth anyway. Committing genocide because you hate a culture and you blame them for your woes is one thing, and certainly horrible, but killing 300,000 civilians for SPORT is entirely devoid of humanity. They're extremely lucky they got their education in the humanities from the USA rather than USSR, otherwise half of Japan would probably look like NK does today.
As far as the rest of the discussion goes, I think, and I hope, Kim Jong Un isn't that stupid. Presumably he's just trying to outdo his father in brinksmanship. Obviously he's really bad at it though, and very soon he's either gonna have to put up or shut up, which in this case means war or assassination and scapegoating by his own party. Either way he ends up dead, it's only a question of how many he takes with him. I don't really see any other way out of this for him, he's basically decided to play chicken after welding his car doors shut.
You can't brainwash a whole nation to worship you if you don't surround yourself with people that are above such influence. This is obviously dangerous...
A lot of ppl in NK don't give a rat's ass about the great leader and many of these ppl are certainly amongst the most trusted by Kim Jong-un.
I don't even believe Kim is even ruling the country right now... I'm convinced this is just a plot made by the ppl that are really behind NK's decisions to pull NK against the ropes, hence making the need to make the great leader "disappear" or turn him into somewhat of a martyr. Then someone else will take the reins and continue ruling the country following the teachings of the fallen leader. Kim is clearly unaware of the fact that he is slowly but surely putting himself in a situation where he needs to be dead...
China would know if America got nuked, then it would be an act of War. Id be more afraid if China started to mobilize their troops around their boarders and started sending their war ships out to sea and around her boarders.
Mobilizing her troops around NK I think is a sign of strength to NK to calm down or we will act to prevent war.
Last thing China wants is for NK to get invaded by the South or by the US as then the US will set up a few bases in NK to help stablize the area. I.E, set up a base so close to China to put a little fear into them like the Cuban missle crisis.
Last thing China wants is for NK to get invaded by the South or by the US as then the US will set up a few bases in NK to help stablize the area. I.E, set up a base so close to China to put a little fear into them like the Cuban missle crisis.
possibly true but pointless. The US demonstrated this week it can fly it's nuke capable B-2 stealth bombers from Missouri to SK drop a payload and go home. Plus is there really any difference setting up a base in NK from bases in Japan and SK (a stone's throw from China)?
.... Plus is there really any difference setting up a base in NK from bases in Japan and SK (a stone's throw from China)?
I think it is. China's strategic alliance with NK is motivated by the fact that NK is geographcally positioned between Japan and SK. Otherwise will be completely surrounded by US allies and won't have access to the ocean on this side.
North Korea seen moving missile after it declares it has given approval for a nuclear attack on the United States
North Korean army says it has 'final approval' for nuclear attack
United States to move anti-missile system to Guam
Two advanced missile destroyers moved closer to North Korea
South Korean Yonhap news agency reports that North Korea's new KN08 Musudan missile has been spotted in the process of being transported by train towards the Sea of Japan.
It has yet to be confirmed whether the missile was carrying a warhead, but the sources forecast that Pyongyang is likely to fire it off around the middle of the month, when North Koreans celebrate the birthday of the North's founder Kim Il-sung.
The KN08 Musudan is still under-development and it is unclear if it has the range to reach the United States mainland. Previous assessments have given it a range of 4000km - potentially enough to reach the United States controlled island of Guam.
"South Korean and US intelligence authorities have obtained indications the North has moved an object that appears to be a mid-range missile to the east coast," a South Korean source told Yonhap news agency.
[..]
The North Korean announcement came shortly after the US said it will deploy a ballistic missile defence system on its Pacific island of Guam as part of Washington's efforts to beef up its military presence in the region.
The land-based Terminal High Altitude Area Defense System (THAAD) "will strengthen defence capabilities for American citizens in the US territory of Guam and US forces stationed there,'' the Pentagon said.
The missile defense system includes a truck-mounted launcher, tracking radar, interceptor missiles, and an integrated fire control system.
North korea asked China to send some envoy for diplomatic discussions , china refused and said korea should make the move first and that they're disappointed at their rhetoric
A north korean tv channel if somebody is interested.
Currently nothing going on, but it airs some funny shit when it's on (funny as meaning funny in our perspective).
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