''These architectures are a generation ahead of the highest end PC on the market''
Architectures yes, raw performance no.
Except they are more like PCs than previous generation consoles... so... what?
Neither are they better in performance (unless we're talking about the cheap Dell laptops moms use) or architecture (unless we're talking about old Pentium 2's). Or did you mean "aesthetics" when you wrote "architecture"?
i meaning new tech or implementation of GPU / CPU, which can be termed newer generation.
But not necessarily meaning more graphical power.
This makes sense. They'll earn more money if people need an all around entertainment box, rather than just a gaming box. The parents get the TV functions and the kid gets to game. There's a lot more people watching TV than there's people playing games. So this is a smart move to compete with future Apple and Google home entertainment, whilst still being a little weaker than the PS4 on the gaming specs.
Very profitable, but I'd still rather have a PS4 since I never watch TV.
That doesn't really "make sense" at all, for the sole reason that nobody will be buying a $500 set-top box just to "watch TV" when it still requires a TV and a receiver to work. On top of it all they are alienating their main market: http://www.torrentbytes.net/forum_viewt … =3#1531852
UPDATE: To address the question of the age of the patent. Yes, the patent is old. But we have been told by UK industry sources within the last month that this system will be implemented on Xbox One.
UPDATE 2: Microsoft has now issued MCV with the following comment: "Microsoft regularly applies for and receives patents as part of its business practice; not all patents applied for or received will be incorporated into a Microsoft product.
Retailers will be free to charge whatever they wish for pre-owned Xbox One games, but both Microsoft and publishers will take a percentage cut of every sale.
Retail sources have told MCV that Microsoft has this week briefed key retail partners on how it intends to take ownership of the pre-owned market.
This is how we’ve been told it will all work:
A gamer walks into a retailer and hands over the game they wish to sell. This will only be possible at retailers who have agreed to Microsoft’s T&Cs and more importantly integrated Microsoft’s cloud-based Azure pre-owned system into its own.
The game is then registered as having been traded-in on Microsoft’s system. The consumer who handed it over will subsequently see the game wiped from their account – hence the until now ambiguous claim from Phil Harrison that the Xbox One would have to ‘check in’ to Microsoft’s servers every 24 hours.
The retailer can then sell the pre-owned game at whatever price they like, although as part of the system the publisher of the title in question will automatically receive a percentage cut of the sale. As will Microsoft. The retailer will pocket the rest.
Unconfirmed reports on ConsoleDeals.co.uk suggest that retail’s slice will be as little as ten per cent. That’s a significant cut from what it has become accustomed to from pre-owned sales and more in line with what they would receive from the sale of a new game – hence, the value of the pre-owned market to the retailer is effectively destroyed.
These same unconfirmed reports also suggest that the activation cost for consumers buying or borrowing pre-owned software will be £35.
When contacted by MCV Microsoft responded with the following statement: “We know there is some confusion around used games on Xbox One and wanted to provide a bit of clarification on exactly what we’ve confirmed.
"While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail. Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios. Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.”
UPDATE: Many readers are asking whether the £35 will be additional cost on top of the price of buying the game. No, we believe that the £35 figure – which is not our number, incidentally – would cover the entire transaction. If correct this would leave retail with a cut per sale of around £3.50.
If true this confirms no Ebay selling, no selling at all in a lot of countries or any other way than using "retail partners" and no renting or lending to family members or friends.
And wasn't the "Azure cloud system" according to Wired a optional Always-Online-DRM publishers could use? I'm thinking most of the EAs, UbiSofts and Activisions out there will use that.
This makes sense. They'll earn more money if people need an all around entertainment box, rather than just a gaming box. The parents get the TV functions and the kid gets to game. There's a lot more people watching TV than there's people playing games. So this is a smart move to compete with future Apple and Google home entertainment, whilst still being a little weaker than the PS4 on the gaming specs.
Very profitable, but I'd still rather have a PS4 since I never watch TV.
That doesn't really "make sense" at all, for the sole reason that nobody will be buying a $500 set-top box just to "watch TV" when it still requires a TV and a receiver to work. On top of it all they are alienating their main market:
It makes absolute sense. This is the thing both Apple and Google are going for, an entertainment box. Xbox one has that and games. And their not alienating their main market since their main market is watching netflix and using youtube. With about 80 million units sold and the best selling game being Call of duty that sells about 7-10 million games, I'd say it's safe to say that Microsoft is focusing on what everyone is using their xbox for, which is TV.
Microsoft is a company that makes money, not cater to what Dexter is using his Xbox for.
Makes sense? Yup!
Oh yea and fyi the Xbox One its still playing games. It's not alienating a gamer just because it has TV features. People are young and don't know yet that E3 is where the games are shown. Not on their personal hardware release conferences. Which is where they show... their hardware .
Apparently I need to quote myself or rewrite from that other thread... xD
If they are trying to compete with the market strategy that they have set out till now they will have a very rude awakening. According to Microsofts PowerPoint presentation it can only go up after all!
These are their "lowball" numbers for the next generation of consoles, they think that by concentrating on TV they are going to get a "broader market" and could sell as many as 1 billion consoles (well they are reffering to all "next gen consoles" but still, I might as well try to be the queen of England): http://www.oxm.co.uk/54712/microsoft-ai … -consoles/
What they seem to be ignoring:
- The economy and not as many people being able to buy as 8 years ago in their main markets
- Actual demand and "core gamers": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw&hd=1 - People without Internet/broadband or with really bad/spotty internet connections that likely cannot play, also dirty foreigners outside the US and servicemen: http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/08 … c-reports/ - The downsizing that Gaming Retailers will likely have to go through if all their "used sales" plans prove to be true (likely getting less people to buy games at all overall): http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/21/games … ame-story/ - Rising development costs
- More competition than ever before with all the Microconsoles (Android) like Ouya and Gamepop, Mobile gaming, increased popularity of PC Gaming, SteamBox and other stuff
- People who are just fine with the last console generation on which they could already watch TV or they could use for Netflix and all that other stuff
- People who don't want to pay a monthly fee for their services and see Ads all day
- All the people who don't have a HDTV: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/vi … port-SDTVs which is still about a third of the US alone, not to talk about other regions: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/articl … _HDTVs.php - Poor people and people with families and friends. Apparently according to Microsoft they either buy full price or don't get to game. No lending, renting or buying used either.
Those are rather large cross-sections of the market and even their market with the previous console to ignore.
For instance they sold over 76 million Xbox 360 consoles: http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/xbo … wing-down/ but only have 46 million Xbox Live accounts: http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/xbo … next-xbox/ which means there is a rather large amount of people who haven't connected their console to the Internet even once.
You can add those people that would pay ~$500 and a monthly fee of ~$10 for a set-top box with the sole reason of watching TV or sports on it though...
You see, at the end of the day people buy a gaming console because of the games: http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/ , even the Wii sold the most in the last "console generation" because of their games that managed to target casual gamers and pensioners (even though they proved to not be a viable long-term market in the end). Wiis were rather the thing in retirement homes and the likes.
I think it's an immense error in judgement to think that they can survive by making the device about people "watching sports and TV", since those aren't the ones buying $500 game consoles.
Their executives probably looked at a chart of mined data and have seen that people "use their Xbox 360 more for entertainment than games": http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/arch … aming.aspx and made wrong causal projections and decisions from that data point.
The immense error in judgement being that they believe this is what people buy consoles and spend upwards of $500 and pay a subscription for.
If they believe that alienating the people that are most likely to buy their product and are often in the position to decide which "console-toy" a family environment gets is a good thing then their marketing people are beyond stupid.
It's not even that they concentrate on "this is an entertainment center now/this is for watching TV now", but that they seem to be actively alienating large amounts of their potential business and customers with the decisions they are making in regards to used games/lending games, Always-Online, no backwards compatibility etc. even among those "TV viewers" they are apparently targeting only specific people
People can watch Netflix and ESPN or generally TV on a lot of things without subscribing to Xbox Live or getting a $500 box. Heck they'll even have to compete with their own and SONYs previous efforts on that front, which will probably even get price-cuts.
Not only that, but they'll be competing for that market segment with the likes of Samsung, SONY (who have their own in-house content, electronics (TVs) and distribution), Google and Apple amongst others and this is what they bring to the table for the next ~10 or so years.
I get the feeling that you believe that this is a "good" thing, but entering a crowded market that is going to be flooded with "Smart TVs", different kind of set-top boxes and the likes isn't the cleverest thing they could have done. Just look at Microsoft Zune, their efforts to sell mobile phones or how their excursions to the tablet market are going.
http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/24/xbox-on … le-report/ "ExtremeTech, as we told you yesterday, reports that the patent is for tech that sees Kinect monitoring how many people are in a room at once. If the number exceeds the amount allowed on a game or film’s license, then you the owner of the content, must pay for an extended license."
Hahahaha... omfg this shit is getting so out of fucking hand.
hahaha how fucked up is that, i dont even give a shit about archivements its just crap alot of people like to brag about since they used 1000hours doing the same thing over and over to get those 20points wooohoo.
And now you gotta watch tv for that? forget it...
M$ really gotta have something just crazy amazing uberduber bleh to show at E3 or they gonna fail to the hardcore gamers which is the people that was awaiting this most not familys for there new tvbox.
"The Kinect camera is capable of scanning a room and using its facial recognition software to detect foreign users. If Kinect detects someone it does not recognize, it then audibly asks this person to identify themselves. Once this is done, the Kinect saves the information to the console"
All i can think of is this:
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NEED PS4, just because it is better with the specs. Majority of the TV stuff of the XBOX One will probably not even work in Europe (The Netherlands to be precise)
Wonder what the hell M$ gonna do at E3 so much bullshit they need to speak for to make it reasonable.
I remember sony said they dident want always online since they knew of areas/countrys where they sold tons of ps3 but the internet availability there was almost none excistent so X1 is a dead sale there.
And they really need to make 2 versions, the super TV TV TV box for usa, and another none TV for europe they will never get those deals with tv providers in most european/asian countrys im 90% sure off.
And hell if people gotta pay $$ for a TVbox they cant or never will be able to use fuck that.
But few weeks to E3 looking forward to see what they gonna disk up im sure the amazing bad publicity wasent expected from M$.
I think sony was smart going first keep alot hidden for E3 see what M$ had up there sleave so they can go straght around the crap M$ are doing right now, the always connected kinect is just bad and with germany maybe gonna ban the X1 all together M$ is in for a huge loose thats millions of consoles there, and im sure its not easy to change the kinect cause its gotta be alive to know when your talking to it else they loose the feature they are so proud off.
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