Aye - the more that comes out the closer it gets to all celebs being tarred with the same brush. The BBC is going to be the new catholic church.
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#1529725 by bolg (Power User) at 2013-05-02 21:42:59 (2 months ago) - [Report]
Cheers ezzy. Stuart Hall has now confessed to being a pedo. How big is this child molesting ring? Does tax funded state media in particular attract pedos and other mentally ill people?
Cheers ezzy. Stuart Hall has now confessed to being a pedo. How big is this child molesting ring? Does tax funded state media in particular attract pedos and other mentally ill people?
As i posted before I think this was just a thing that happened a hell of a lot back in that era whether it was the Catholic church or the BBC. Hell if you even listed some of the music from back than so many songs had themes about underage girls, dont forget some of the biggest music stars of the time were openly getting it on with girls 15 and under (elvis, steven tyler) and nobody was saying squat about it.
It's not pedofilia with girls who are around 15.
It's not right (like jerry lee lewis who married his 13 year old cousin), but it's not pedofilia.
With Hall we can talk about pedofilia since he has victims under 10 years old, it's not only molesting and sexual abuse, it's also pedofilia.
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I think this was just a thing that happened a hell of a lot back in that era
You are wrong, it happens much more on this era due the fact than internet allows similar mind people to contact each other easily. Todays pedofile rings are huge and international, while back in those times they were more local and much smaller.
#1529771 by unknown[13572] at 2013-05-03 16:00:27 (2 months ago) - [Report]
sniperfin wrote:
It's not pedofilia with girls who are around 15.
It's not right (like jerry lee lewis who married his 13 year old cousin), but it's not pedofilia.
With Hall we can talk about pedofilia since he has victims under 10 years old, it's not only molesting and sexual abuse, it's also pedofilia.
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I think this was just a thing that happened a hell of a lot back in that era
You are wrong, it happens much more on this era due the fact than internet allows similar mind people to contact each other easily. Todays pedofile rings are huge and international, while back in those times they were more local and much smaller.
Today's Paedophilia rings may be large but I don't think that means it's a bigger problem now just more well documented.
Any man who works with kids today will be surrounded with air of suspicion so much so now I genuinely don't know why they bother, clearly that wasn't the case even when I was child. I don't think it's any better or worse its just now we're exposed to it and try to stop them.
#1529772 by Cr4ck (Power User) at 2013-05-03 16:05:40 (2 months ago) - [Report]
id say this was pretty big, and the biggest celebrity`s of the time seem to be caught up in it. Rolf Harris has also been pulled up by the investigation over the last week or so. Doesn`t seem to be an end in sight.
These people abused their position of trust, praying on minors for theyre own gratifications so age dont really come into it, the kids were below the age of consent and many of them came from vulnerable/unstable backgounds.
Today's Paedophilia rings may be large but I don't think that means it's a bigger problem now just more well documented.
Any man who works with kids today will be surrounded with air of suspicion so much so now I genuinely don't know why they bother, clearly that wasn't the case even when I was child. I don't think it's any better or worse its just now we're exposed to it and try to stop them.
Could be,but my bet is that the easy access these days "create more pedos". By that I mean that those who have the interest on kids can easily access kiddy porn these days while in the era before internet many had the interest but they were only jerking in the bush behind the playground rather than aquiring films and photos of kids or were "brave" enough to physically harm kids.
Also the ability to connect others usually give you more courage and support (you think that you are not doing anything wrong since there are so many who do this) and might lead you to from picture & movie wanking to live action.
Summa summarum, internet has allowed more and more closet pedos to come out. The amount of those who have this illness can be similar, but the amount of people who actually do physical molesting is higher due the things I explained above.
I have a hard time considering a pedo "ill". That's a label that promotes caring and sympathy like you would have for a person with a mental disability, like autism. These are just assholes of the highest degree worthy a bullet to the head.
#1529797 by JakBot (Power User) at 2013-05-03 22:50:48 (2 months ago) - [Report]
There was a big article about a pedophile in a local newspaper a while ago and how he feels. I can easily sympathise with that. I'd imagine it being a great burden to anyone. Those who abuse children are a different case and as they clearly can't control their feelings they should be dealt with, but pedophilia itself is not something to judge a person by. Imagine yourself only having sexual desires towards children, desires you know you can never fulfill and something you feel sick about yourself as well. I imagine it being the case for many gay people as well even though they are much more free now than they were for the past centuries.
I've often thought what should be the right way to help these people. Child porn obviously is not the solution. Will chemical treatment kill all the sexual desires these people have (even a pedophile can enjoy a grown up) and if it does is it really helping them? Therapy will not work - you can't "heal" a gay person nor can you "heal" a pedophile. It may help those who abuse children to learn they shouldn't do it and to control their feelings, but it doesn't remove them.
Those who abuse children are a different case and as they clearly can't control their feelings they shoul be dealt with, but pedophilia itself is not something to judge a person by.
Why not? This is why many parts of society have decayed into a cesspool of human debris. People are so afraid of being labelled "judgemental" that anything and everything has become acceptable. There's no longer a stigma involved with, or any consequences from, bad behavior. Why do you think there's an epidemic of teenage and single woman pregnancies, 80% out of wedlock births in certain communities, and half the population is to stoned to be productive citizens? It's because we've become a bunch of pussies, afraid to say what's right and wrong in fear of being called judgemental. Social boundaries are non-existant, and are in no way espoused by our so-called leaders. Its become as much of a feared label as being called a racist, this is NOT to the betterment of our communities.
I'm as judgemental as they come, even more so when it comes to kids. When somebody points that out, expecting offense to be taken, I simply say "Thank You".
There is a series that was on the BBC its called "The Hunt for Britains Paedophiles"
3 episode's, its worth watching, you see what the Paedophile unit at Scotland Yard actually does
there is some of it on youtube, not sure if its 100% uploaded though
#1529810 by unknown[13572] at 2013-05-04 07:52:55 (2 months ago) - [Report]
sniperfin wrote:
Could be,but my bet is that the easy access these days "create more pedos". By that I mean that those who have the interest on kids can easily access kiddy porn these days while in the era before internet many had the interest but they were only jerking in the bush behind the playground rather than aquiring films and photos of kids or were "brave" enough to physically harm kids.
Also the ability to connect others usually give you more courage and support (you think that you are not doing anything wrong since there are so many who do this) and might lead you to from picture & movie wanking to live action.
Summa summarum, internet has allowed more and more closet pedos to come out. The amount of those who have this illness can be similar, but the amount of people who actually do physical molesting is higher due the things I explained above.
It's possible although not sure I believe that. You could argue that kiddy porn keeps some of them from offending but I'm mean if you're jerking in the bushes while kids play nearby I'd say you're a fair bit closer to offending than the dude at his PC but You'd have to be nuts to be emboldened to touch kids now. Everything is far worse for the perv now, you may not even get away with child sex tourism in poor countries. Merely the accusation fucks up your life and endangers it. The net may connect you with other paedophiles and provide you with porn & advice but clearly it'll also expose you. They're so desperate to share what they do with each other that they end up helping the authorities not only find them but identify their victims too.
#1529811 by JakBot (Power User) at 2013-05-04 08:36:24 (2 months ago) - [Report]
mbodnar wrote:
Why not? This is why many parts of society have decayed into a cesspool of human debris. People are so afraid of being labelled "judgemental" that anything and everything has become acceptable. There's no longer a stigma involved with, or any consequences from, bad behavior. Why do you think there's an epidemic of teenage and single woman pregnancies, 80% out of wedlock births in certain communities, and half the population is to stoned to be productive citizens? It's because we've become a bunch of pussies, afraid to say what's right and wrong in fear of being called judgemental. Social boundaries are non-existant, and are in no way espoused by our so-called leaders. Its become as much of a feared label as being called a racist, this is NOT to the betterment of our communities.
I'm as judgemental as they come, even more so when it comes to kids. When somebody points that out, expecting offense to be taken, I simply say "Thank You".
You're judging actions in your examples and I agree that's how people should be judged by, but being a pedophile is not an action by itself. If you feel like killing someone, but never commit to it, should I judge you as a murderer? No. Just like a pedophile who never abuses children should not be judged as a child molester.
Yep, thought crime is not part of the western justice system, not even when it is about thoughts of fucking children.
#1529823 by bolg (Power User) at 2013-05-04 12:24:45 (2 months ago) - [Report]
qbert95 wrote:
As i posted before I think this was just a thing that happened a hell of a lot back in that era whether it was the Catholic church or the BBC. Hell if you even listed some of the music from back than so many songs had themes about underage girls, dont forget some of the biggest music stars of the time were openly getting it on with girls 15 and under (elvis, steven tyler) and nobody was saying squat about it.
I actually read an essay about the sexualisation of teenagers during the 70s a few months ago, and it basically confirmed what you're saying, that it was more common and open back then, especially in the cultural, leftist post '68 elite.
That doesn't mean they're not dirty kiddy fiddlers who deserve to die in prison though.
Yep, thought crime is not part of the western justice system, not even when it is about thoughts of fucking children.
Regardless of the technical definition, I wouldn't consider a person who only thinks about it a pedo any more than one who thinks about killing someone a murderer.
#1529874 by EspenT (Power User) at 2013-05-05 02:15:29 (2 months ago) - [Report]
mbodnar wrote:
Regardless of the technical definition, I wouldn't consider a person who only thinks about it a pedo any more than one who thinks about killing someone a murderer.
What would you call someone who are attracted to the same sex as themselves, but does not act on it? Sick as it may be, pedophilia is a form of sexual attraction, even when it's not acted upon. However, as long as it's not acted upon there's nothing wrong with it.
I agree with JakBot. There must be some way to help people with pedophilia, but I don't know how.
Sadly this happens more than you would think. The cases that the police get in are but a fraction of the cases that are out there. We have a big case in Norway about some politician that is accused of being a pedophile. Not as big as this BBC case but pretty big in Norway at this time.
#1530293 by Green (Der Tommy) at 2013-05-09 12:20:14 (2 months ago) - [Report]
Why are most of the kiddie fiddlers white? Does the ethnic fiddling not get reported as much? If there is more white fiddling, is it a DNA/gene thing? Is it because there are more white people in positions of power so they think they can get away with it? Should we class it as a "white crime" like street robbery is being classed as a "black crime". I know it happens in other cultures/races but not to the scale that is being reported against white people.
#1530628 by mrunne (Power User) at 2013-05-12 08:05:01 (2 months ago) - [Report]
Green wrote:
Why are most of the kiddie fiddlers white? Does the ethnic fiddling not get reported as much? If there is more white fiddling, is it a DNA/gene thing? Is it because there are more white people in positions of power so they think they can get away with it? Should we class it as a "white crime" like street robbery is being classed as a "black crime". I know it happens in other cultures/races but not to the scale that is being reported against white people.
I´m thinking it gets reported less. Child molesting is very common in Arab/muslim communities, just think of all the little 12 year olds (or younger) that get married to old geezers (+ all the idiocy about humping babies that cures aids and whatnot, google it if you are that interested)
Also it is politically correct to say a "person" committed this and that (at least seems so over here) when its a colored/minority who does the deed, but when a white native man does it his/hers ethnicity gets plastered all over the news.
Africa is full of all kind of weird beliefs. While western world ended witch hunting aboutn 300 years ago, it's still going on in africa. Also all kind of weird things concerning sexuality are blossoming in the south, like the good old poo pastor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN8sa2Hu5yE
#1530651 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-05-12 12:27:34 (2 months ago) - [Report]
Green wrote:
Why are most of the kiddie fiddlers white? Does the ethnic fiddling not get reported as much? If there is more white fiddling, is it a DNA/gene thing? Is it because there are more white people in positions of power so they think they can get away with it? Should we class it as a "white crime" like street robbery is being classed as a "black crime". I know it happens in other cultures/races but not to the scale that is being reported against white people.
The western culture is strongly anti-kiddie fiddler. When you ask the question why most of them are white, it is because we actually prosecute and put behind bars, sometimes chemically castrate these child rapists. Like someone already said in other cultures this is practiced, in fact encouraged. In Islam - so my argument is that it is a cultural thing - Muhammad married a 6 year old cousin and had sex with her when she was 9 years old. Moreover he encourages his followers to have sex with children in some commentaries to the Quran. The point is that in some cultures today that certain religions fosters child marriages, they are encouraged, child fiddlers are the heroes. E.g. in Saudi Arabia this is widely practiced after Muhammad's example.
#1530753 by Green (Der Tommy) at 2013-05-13 15:05:17 (2 months ago) - [Report]
mrunne wrote:
I´m thinking it gets reported less. Child molesting is very common in Arab/muslim communities, just think of all the little 12 year olds (or younger) that get married to old geezers (+ all the idiocy about humping babies that cures aids and whatnot, google it if you are that interested)
Also it is politically correct to say a "person" committed this and that (at least seems so over here) when its a colored/minority who does the deed, but when a white native man does it his/hers ethnicity gets plastered all over the news.
The way it gets reported in the UK, you would think that no other race does it. All the peado programs that are on, the safe house is always full of white people.
You are right, I think it is down to how it gets reported, the trouble with that is, all the old white boys in the park feeding the birds are having fingers pointed at them, while other races do not have the "is he a fiddler or feeding the birds" question being asked.
I think the UK is scared to report any non white crime through the fear of being branded a racist.
hOG wrote:
The western culture is strongly anti-kiddie fiddler. When you ask the question why most of them are white, it is because we actually prosecute and put behind bars, sometimes chemically castrate these child rapists. Like someone already said in other cultures this is practiced, in fact encouraged. In Islam - so my argument is that it is a cultural thing - Muhammad married a 6 year old cousin and had sex with her when she was 9 years old. Moreover he encourages his followers to have sex with children in some commentaries to the Quran. The point is that in some cultures today that certain religions fosters child marriages, they are encouraged, child fiddlers are the heroes. E.g. in Saudi Arabia this is widely practiced after Muhammad's example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_mar … iddle_East (also see Denmark > it isn't listed but ~95% of those that are married in Denmark a 15+, which then requires parental approval, are immigrants).
edit: The practice of 'mufakhathat' (thighing or dry humping babies or children unfit for intercourse): http://books.google.com/books?id=nlUq-s … mp;f=false
I know it happens, its just over here you would think it was a white crime and we all have some ticking timb bomb waiting to fiddle kids. Another problem in the UK is, if I point it out that it happens in other cultures/races, I become the racist. We(the UK) tip toed around an asian gang of men taking in teenagers for forced sex/prostitution, the news described them as "a gang of men", they might as well have drawn a photofit with an Etch-a-Sketch as not to cause shit.
Every kiddie fiddler's face so far has been white, it looks like there is something wrong with white people if you just took it from the headlines and documentaries.
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