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#1495996 by tidus (Power User) at 2012-09-03 08:19:31 (10 months ago) - [Report]
An Islamic coward planted torn pages from the Qu'ran in a mentally disabled Christian girls bag to try and run the Christians out of town. Truly sick minded individual
Religion brings peace to the world?
#1496015 by mrunne (Power User) at 2012-09-03 11:05:19 (10 months ago) - [Report]
I bet he will be hailed as a hero while the innocent girl will get murdered by the religious idiots.
#1496016 by vpeex (Power User) at 2012-09-03 11:55:08 (10 months ago) - [Report]
I wouldn't blame religion. I don't like religion either, but some people find comfort in such things. It's the fundamentalists that are causing the problems, and they can be found in any religion or group. When people go to extreme measures, things go to hell. If everyone would practice their religion without it interfering with lives of other people, world would be a nice place to live.
If everyone would practice their religion without it interfering with lives of other people, world would be a nice place to live.
But the fact is that your belifs afffect your actions and thats why it is important to have as many beliefs which are based on reality and not on faith (which is the most unreliable tool when we talk abut finding whats true and whats not).
Just take a look on USA today and whats going on there. The school system is bein infiltrated by extremists and these same people are also pushing their agenda to the legistlation (gay rights, abortion etc.).
And these people get lots of support from ordinary christians who don't really think about matters, for them it's enough that the representive is a man/woman of god, a perons of faith.
The normal religious people are the ones who actually open the path for those extremists.
Ofcourse there are also normal religious people who oppose, but as long as the vast majority gives the extremists a silence approval, they keep pushing their agenda.
#1496032 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-09-03 15:18:28 (10 months ago) - [Report]
You can't be serious.
Public schools are FAR from controlled by extremists (I'm assuming you mean right wing), the teachers unions own the Democratic party. I'd agree with your statement if it meant the exact opposite of what you purport. They can't even have a "Christmas Shop" for kids to buy $2 Chinese screwdrivers for their dads anymore ffs. Last I checked my local district was calling it the Snowflake Shop.
Public schools are FAR from controlled by extremists (I'm assuming you mean right wing), the teachers unions own the Democratic party. I'd agree with your statement if it meant the exact opposite of what you purport. They can't even have a "Christmas Shop" for kids to buy $2 Chinese screwdrivers for their dads anymore ffs. Last I checked my local district was calling it the Snowflake Shop.
Ofcourse not all, but many educational committess are affected by religious nutjobs.
There are ton's of examples about teaching evolution/creationism,many court cases where teachers and parents must fight against nonsense education (from the book choises to all kind of special shit where a teacher is required to doubt evolution before he/she starts to teach it. Demands for equal school time and science is not about equality, it's about what science and true)
Shit like that could never happen here for example, never.
#1496052 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-09-03 17:21:20 (10 months ago) - [Report]
I can guaran-damn-tee you that the book in that article is part of exactly ZERO public school district's curriculum. If a parent wants to send their kids to a private school (and I highly doubt that resource is even in more than a handful those) who would include such nonsense that should be their own choice.
Public schools are FAR from controlled by extremists (I'm assuming you mean right wing), the teachers unions own the Democratic party. I'd agree with your statement if it meant the exact opposite of what you purport. They can't even have a "Christmas Shop" for kids to buy $2 Chinese screwdrivers for their dads anymore ffs. Last I checked my local district was calling it the Snowflake Shop.
Ofcourse not all, but many educational committess are affected by religious nutjobs.
There are ton's of examples about teaching evolution/creationism,many court cases where teachers and parents must fight against nonsense education (from the book choises to all kind of special shit where a teacher is required to doubt evolution before he/she starts to teach it. Demands for equal school time and science is not about equality, it's about what science and true)
I have friends who live in texas are extremely worried about the direction education is going there.
And texas is a hige influence when they select books to schools etc.
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If a parent wants to send their kids to a private school
Government funded school, so rules apply.
Also that was just one example, there are tons of examples for normal public schools where all kind of shit is tried to get into classroom, all motivated by religion, extreme literal christianity.
The dover trial is perhaps the most famous and well documented in recent history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller … l_District
#1496066 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-09-03 18:03:43 (10 months ago) - [Report]
That text couldn't make it into the parking lot of a government funded school, and rightfully so.
That text couldn't make it into the parking lot of a government funded school, and rightfully so.
The point is that they try to push all kind of shit into the books and curriculum and it requires active people to fight that shit (which should not be the case if the nutjobs would follow your constitution).
All that take money and time and is confusing, especially to the kids.
And quess what happens in small schools where every teacher is religious and have same agenda, yep the indoctronation takes place there. Nonsense is tought to kids.
And the worst part is that sometimes even state level politician are pushing the shit,people who for sure know that it is out right violating your constitution where government does not support religious shit.
And the worst part is that sometimes even state level politician are pushing the shit,people who for sure know that it is out right violating your constitution where government does not support religious shit.
I'd wager they don't know. As in, they're too damn dumb to know. Hell, they probably think it's patriotic, like teaching the national anthem.
depends..there is a difference between patriotism and jingoism
#1496098 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-09-03 20:08:38 (10 months ago) - [Report]
We did the pledge and a song (the anthem/amerca the beautiful/etc) every morning from kindergarten until graduation and i don't remember it harming anybody, or even anyone bitching about.
Pride in ones country used to be a good thing. Sigh.....
Read my post again. Teaching the national anthem is patriotic, but religious bullcrap isn't... the problem is some politicians DO think it's patriotic.
#1496103 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-09-03 20:15:33 (10 months ago) - [Report]
Shaamaan wrote:
mbodnar wrote:
Teaching the national anthem is a bad thing?
*sigh*
Read my post again. Teaching the national anthem is patriotic, but religious bullcrap isn't... the problem is some politicians DO think it's patriotic.
Ah, My mistake.
To much Guiness last night.
#1496241 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-09-04 17:41:16 (10 months ago) - [Report]
And to think that "under God" was added to your pledge in part by European, specifically danish behest
Also in god we trust printed in money directly violates constitution, but somehow the same constitution thumpers who always refer to constitution when it is a question about guns don't give a shit about this direct violation as a good christian hypocrite should do.
If everyone would practice their religion without it interfering with lives of other people, world would be a nice place to live.
But the fact is that your belifs afffect your actions and thats why it is important to have as many beliefs which are based on reality and not on faith (which is the most unreliable tool when we talk abut finding whats true and whats not).
Ok, usually I just let you go sniperfin because it's your choice to dislike religion, your choice to not believe in any God, your choice to not believe in any religion. However, you're ˝ right when you say that my beliefs affect my actions. I do believe in a Christian God. Coincidentally I also believe in science. How can I not believe in science. It was science that gave us electricity, running water, tools, the printing press and many other everyday items. These were not divined inventions nor were they suddenly appearing with no reason whatsoever. So explain to me, in small words, how my beliefs are affecting my actions in a negative manner? How am I, as you not only suggest, but outright accuse, allowing my beliefs to affect others creating a world in which extremists are active?
By your own definition you're adding to the problem as well. You're singular belief that all religions are creating all the problems in the world is not scientific. You point out individual circumstances without taking in the whole picture. You cry foul at having religion thrust upon you when you do the same in turn with science. I don't see the religions of the world crying havoc, en masse, about those that do as you do.
Oh by the way, the list of scientists that believe in God, is unbelievably long. Shall I introduce you to the nuclear physicist from my church? He teaches science in his secular life and practices Christianity in his spiritual life. How about the teachings of Pope Sylvester who's belief in God also allowed him to write and teach about such things as mathematics and space? Then there's Louis Pasteur, a devote Catholic. I think he had something to do with saving countless thousands with his work on vaccines. Oh that other little thing called pasteurization. I think that's named after him. However, my religious beliefs could be clouding my judgement. Let's not forget Hunan Ishaq(sp?) from, what is now Iraq and in the middle of a hotbed of extremists, that gave us his works on opthamology, translations of Greek scientific works and a physician in addition to being Christian.
Why is it so hard for you, sniperfin, to live in a world where religion and science can not only work together but work together for the benefit of all with either belief, or both, as a driving force for good? Why is that you, sniperfin, only fixate on the bad instances?
#1496268 by Timex (Power User) at 2012-09-04 20:30:22 (10 months ago) - [Report]
sniperfin wrote:
Also in god we trust printed in money directly violates constitution,
How does it do that?
I can't see how it could.
BTW you are factually incorrect because it is not printed on "money" and the last "money" in the USA was back in 1964.
#1496290 by Timex (Power User) at 2012-09-04 22:27:15 (10 months ago) - [Report]
Sniper brought up "money" and in the USA money is legally defined in the US constitution...what we have now is not money but "legal tender".
#1496292 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-09-04 22:42:28 (10 months ago) - [Report]
sniperfin wrote:
Also in god we trust printed in money directly violates constitution, but somehow the same constitution thumpers who always refer to constitution when it is a question about guns don't give a shit about this direct violation as a good christian hypocrite should do.
There are other symbols as well. The All-Seeing Eye of God for example. I don't see any of them as violations and I doubt so would their supreme court. It offends your anti-religion agenda though.
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