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#1375720 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-02-07 05:59:59 (2 years ago) - [Report]

So your great multiculturalism is basically minorities moving into cities and whites moving out as a result?

#1375723 by Dedi (User) at 2011-02-07 06:13:39 (2 years ago) - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

So your great multiculturalism is basically minorities moving into cities and whites moving out as a result?

Umm not sure where you got that from, as we see even the population in the prairies decreasing (among people 19 to 30) given that most job opportunities are in Ontario, and I don't think "whites" are the only people that dream of not living in a big city with ridiculous traffic when they are retired.

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Snuffsis wrote:

I can assure you that even in Canada there are loads of obnoxious immigrants playing loud music all day and so on, just not where you are.

LOL this really dosn't have to do much with multiculturalism as I see just as many "white" people blasting rock and punk music, as I see Asian people in their pimped out cars blasting techno or Arabic people playing their own country's music.

Snuffsis wrote:

Because at the end of the day, they'll go home to their homes and start speaking their own language, interact with only their own culture and not get the countries way of life either way.

This is partly a problem of the immigration board in your county. Improper distribution / integration. Canada accepted close to 3,000 Kosovar refugees during the war and out of the 10 Planes that picked us up at the refugee camps in Macedonia each one of them landed in a different province. It was months after we arrived in Canada that we found out that our family was in Ontario and my uncle's family was in Quebec. Also we did not run into a single other Kosovar family in the initial city we were placed in, our sponsors were Canadian's who coached us 3 times a week in speaking / writing English and introducing us to the city / culture. It makes it hard not to integrate.

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#1375766 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-02-07 11:34:07 (2 years ago) - [Report]

The main differences between canada and europe are

1. The distance. Canada is across the ocean and poor uneducated african people and similar people from middle east find their way here. You get the cream of the cake while we get the eggs which are mostly rotten and not even fit for the cake.

2. The point system you have, where skills etc. are giving you points and criminal records etc. diduct your points and can prevent for you entering the country.
European multiculturalism is based on hordes which just come here without any real control.
Ofcourse you gonna blen in more easily when you have skills which enable you to work or stydy and by that you are going to be in contact with "natives" and participating the society every day.
Here the situation is totally different.
Only recently countries have started to monitor and actually started to care what kind of people and from where (areas where the past immigration hordes have failed miserabely to integrate) immigrants come from, just like the danish example show. This way both money is saved and integration level is also higher.
Hopefully the current statements from UK and Germany are going to spark open discussion about the problems and some kind of criteria system is developed for the future immigration, we are alread knee deep in shit, if nothing is done we are throat deep in few decades.

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So your great multiculturalism is basically minorities moving into cities and whites moving out as a result?

I used to laugh to this so called "white flight" phemon as a racist propaganda concept until it actually started to happen here in finland, and those who left were ordinary young families with small children.

#1375880 by slacker4life (Power User) at 2011-02-07 19:26:57 (2 years ago) - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

the burbs man, you should see the new developments constantly popping up on the outskirts of towns, with nice large new houses on 1-2 acre lots. 90% are younger well off white families with ~2-3 kids. i've been in the market for a new house for about 6 months and i can tell you after looking at 50 or so houses that met the majority of my criteria all the ones that weren't on huge plots of land were just like the one's i mentioned. it blew my mind at how many private drives with 15-20 new houses on them there were.

^ just truth, racist or not that's how the shit goes down.

#1375937 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-02-07 23:38:01 (2 years ago) - [Report]

If you care to read about the end result of your "Canadian multiculturalism" just do a quick Google of Detroit. It used to be one of the richest cities in the world and is now completely bankrupted and is begging people (whites) to move back by offering $1k homes.

#1375939 by unknown[76452] at 2011-02-07 23:41:26 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Glad someone finally have the guts to admit that multiculturalism will never ever work.

I heard that a Swedish College have built special toilets and prayer room for muslim students http://politisktinkorrekt.info/2011/02/ … o-hogskola

In some schools you cant serve pork cause the muslims feel offended.

Most of the public baths now have some hours per day when only muslim women are allowed to bath there.
This ruling came in place cause the women was bathing in their clothes wich is not even allowed in public baths, the janitor that tried to tell them they cant do that got reported for racism.

Women muslims are now also allowed to use burqa when they work in stores, as teachers, police etc.

Sure, christians have done some awful things in the past, notice "in the past" but we evolved they havent. Islam is a stoneage religion and doesnt belong in this time and age and thats a fact!

#1375941 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2011-02-07 23:43:22 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Our last place was in a new subdivision. Didn't much like it even though it was a great house with nice neighbors, the schools were the primary consideration when we bought. Once the kids were out of high school we got out and a Mack truck couldn't pull us back into suburbia. Now it's 20 miles to a gallon of milk and there's horse shit in the driveway, but we wouldn't trade it for gold.

#1375945 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-02-08 00:02:37 (2 years ago) - [Report]

slacker4life wrote:

Just a background info for the euro guys; the main benefit of a "gate community" and why so many people move to them is the home owners association which you are required to join. Its basically a legal agreement to force people through fines and even eviction to maintain their homes in acceptable manner, pay dues for upkeep in the neighborhood, get approval for all renovations on the outside of the home, etc. That way people at least have some legal recourse if "someone" moves into the neighborhood and starts parking rusted cars on the lawn, wants to paint their house green or purple, blasts music at odd hours, or doesn't mow the law which in turn destroys the property values of everyone.

#1375952 by unknown[437859] at 2011-02-08 01:36:38 (2 years ago) - [Report]

tomati wrote:

About the public baths, some hours are just for women, not just Muslim women... or are you thinking of a specific bath?
There are so many different types if Muslims. Who are you to make conclusions about a entire religion?

#1375960 by VizlaN Donor

(Power User) at 2011-02-08 03:21:13 (2 years ago) - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

Just a background info for the euro guys

Oh s- seriously? Dang.. If only we had thought of that

Most parts of the mayor cities here in Norway (afaik) are like that, pluss of course illegal to "blast sounds at crazy hours".. Granted we have one law that gets abused every year (Neighbours I had a few years back..) which says you can evict someone during winter unless they have a warm place to sleep. Of course they didn't.. Appartement was newly renovated by the gov. to serve as an apartement for immigrants to integrate.. They grew vegetables in the bathroom and totally wrecked everything, even the isolation.

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#1375968 by mselo4ever4 (User) at 2011-02-08 05:40:07 (2 years ago) - [Report]

if your really dont want Multiculturalism, just stop supporting dictators in those countries were these minorities are coming from.

#1375971 by Picard1701E Donor

(Power User) at 2011-02-08 06:34:26 (2 years ago) - [Report]

VizlaN wrote:

They grew vegetables in the bathroom and totally wrecked everything, even the isolation.

are you serious?? i know, kinda stupid to ask in serious chat, but i had to ask. some people are quite bizarre.

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#1375979 by gullf1sk (Power User) at 2011-02-08 07:46:41 (2 years ago) - [Report]

dinga wrote:

Who are you to make conclusions about a entire religion?

An observer. Anyone is free to draw whatever conclusions they want.

#1376000 by Inspiration (Power User) at 2011-02-08 11:40:17 (2 years ago) - [Report]

dinga wrote:

Who are you to make conclusions about a entire religion?

Sigh... comments like that show that some values in the western world are not understood.

You realize in the west people can draw their own conclusions based on their own observations right? Sounds a whole lot better than to draw conclusions based on some writings in an old book if you ask me.

Just as if (any) religion is something sacred that people should be in awe of. On the contrary imo.

Regarding the baths and swimming pools, yeah I know plenty that have a period of time (2-3 hours?) weekly in which only muslim women are allowed. Completely ridiculous and counterproductive for integration.

#1376002 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-02-08 11:51:08 (2 years ago) - [Report]

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Regarding the baths and swimming pools, yeah I know plenty that have a period of time (2-3 hours?) weekly in which only muslim women are allowed. Completely ridiculous and counterproductive for integration.

We had it here too, but helsinki city removed that special priviledge due amount of anger and newspaper columns written by active finnsih women it produced.

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if your really dont want Multiculturalism, just stop supporting dictators in those countries were these minorities are coming from.

Nobody here is supporting the somalian islamic front for example.
Why is it that every possible problem is somehow caused by the western countries ?

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There are so many different types if Muslims. Who are you to make conclusions about a entire religion?

I agree, there are, but as I already mentioned the core of the problem is:

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The moderate Muslim still feels that he has more in common with the extremist Muslim than he does with the moderate Atheist, Christian, Hindu or Jew.

#1376009 by mselo4ever4 (User) at 2011-02-08 12:13:27 (2 years ago) - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

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if your really dont want Multiculturalism, just stop supporting dictators in those countries were these minorities are coming from.

Nobody here is supporting the somalian islamic front for example.
Why is it that every possible problem is somehow caused by the western countries ?

because Western Countries occupied those lands and divided them, and made up/created states that never existed before like 'Syria', 'Jordan', 'Sudan' and many other states, they did that the way it servers them, and let those countries ruled by their 'men', last hot example of these men, Hussni Moubarek

sniperfin wrote:

The moderate Muslim still feels that he has more in common with the extremist Muslim than he does with the moderate Atheist, Christian, Hindu or Jew.

as long as they are called Muslim yes, he also cares about rebellious(if that is the wordl) Muslims as long as they call-themselves Muslim

#1376019 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-02-08 13:01:01 (2 years ago) - [Report]

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Exactly how we in finland are responsible of those actions, or people in norway,sweden and denmark ?
Do us as westerners have some kind of collective responsibility ?
Also how long is this responsibility ? Are crusades still something we should take responsibility of ?

#1376035 by VizlaN Donor

(Power User) at 2011-02-08 13:48:31 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Picard1701E wrote:

VizlaN wrote:

They grew vegetables in the bathroom and totally wrecked everything, even the isolation.

are you serious?? i know, kinda stupid to ask in serious chat, but i had to ask. some people are quite bizarre.

Aye.. The kids (They had 5 or 6 I think) went for everything that wasn't nailed down or impossible to destroy, even trew a toilet ring of all things down on the porch of the neighbours below. An oven somehow ended up down there as well, however we have no idea if the parents did that one as the kids were too small (probably) to lift such a heavy thing.

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#1376046 by unknown[437859] at 2011-02-08 14:23:24 (2 years ago) - [Report]

gullf1sk wrote:

dinga wrote:

Who are you to make conclusions about a entire religion?

An observer. Anyone is free to draw whatever conclusions they want.

In that case tomati is a naive moron.

#1376047 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-02-08 14:25:36 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Lets keep it clean and about the subject, not about the posters.
Outbursts like that will be punished with warning & forum ban combos in the future.

#1376052 by mselo4ever4 (User) at 2011-02-08 14:32:24 (2 years ago) - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

Exactly how we in finland are responsible of those actions, or people in norway,sweden and denmark ?
Do us as westerners have some kind of collective responsibility ?
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who said that you personally are responsible?! nobody, but your country is (small) part of the western countries, united under name of NATO or EU, which both are 'politically' being leaded by 3-4 big countries , they are pretty much the same, you apply everything these 3-4 countries tell you to, like supporting Israel at all costs, sending soldiers/armies to Afghanistan or other countries, punishing people who denies 'The Nazi Genocide of the Jews' and many other things that you have nothing to do with

sniperfin wrote:

Also how long is this responsibility ? Are crusades still something we should take responsibility of

i haven't mentioned anything about crusades, i was talking about current/still living results of what Big western countries did in the past century, and people there are still suffering from this, this responsibility will stop as soon as you stop supporting this corrupted regimes, which i am not seeing it happening

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#1376055 by DrevoKocour (Power User) at 2011-02-08 14:49:27 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Yes, that's one hundred percent correct, all of the governments of Europe are united and share the same views on issues such as Israel or holocaust denial, all countries have sent troops when asked - no, when told to - no exception. Jesus. This reminds me how you displayed your "knowledge" of football rules the other day.

#1376057 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-02-08 14:56:21 (2 years ago) - [Report]

DrevoKocour wrote:

Yeah, pretty much was I was about to write.
And if we were to follow what those countries tell us today we are not responsible of the things they did last century, how could we be ?
Using that logic I could blame every single muslims for every action any muslim does, since they are all muslims, something you don't have to be, but you voluntarely are.
And that would be as stupid as this collective responsibility of western countries.

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i haven't mentioned anything about crusades, i was talking about current/still living results of what Big western countries did in the past century

So the lenght of the responsibility is about century then ?
9/11/2101 is the date when the entire muslim population is freed from the guilt from new york attacks then ?

#1376061 by Picard1701E Donor

(Power User) at 2011-02-08 15:16:38 (2 years ago) - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

So the lenght of the responsibility is about century then ?
9/11/2101 is the date when the entire muslim population is freed from the guilt from new york attacks then ?

don't be silly sniper, 9/11 was of course an inside job, don't you know that? there is not a single muslim to blame for the attacks on that day.

waiting for the "inside job" speech to begin, arabish, anyone?

#1376062 by mselo4ever4 (User) at 2011-02-08 15:23:25 (2 years ago) - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

So the lenght of the responsibility is about century then ?
9/11/2101 is the date when the entire muslim population is freed from the guilt from new york attacks then ?

as i said in my previous post people there are still suffering from what happened last century, they are still suffering from the 30-40-60 old regimes which they cant easily change due to many reasons, and one big reason is that the western countries still support most of this regimes because they are afraid that new regimes will make a threat to Israel or because they are afraid that the same thing happened in Iran 30 years ago will happen when people claim their freedom

DrevoKocour wrote:

Yes, that's one hundred percent correct, all of the governments of Europe are united and share the same views on issues such as Israel or holocaust denial, all countries have sent troops when asked - no, when told to - no exception. Jesus. This reminds me how you displayed your "knowledge" of football rules the other day.

oh noooo! many countries have different views, countries as Finland, Sweden, Norway, Danemark, Andorra, Cyprus and many other small country which's combined population and economic power is not half or even third of population of one big country like France, Germany, England or USA , so they have big influence on EU or NATO's politics

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