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#1523454 by TheBlues (Power User) at 2013-03-06 01:29:23 (4 months ago) - [Report]

Sargoth wrote:

Of course they have the same rights, but starting say a car-fire then pelting the police and fire department with rocks ... kinda voids their rights to it imo.

How large of a percentage of immigrants do you think do those criminal acts? Why are you judging half a million people on the actions of 50 people?

Belnick wrote:

edit, the blues know that the victims name is often protected and harder to find out(which it should be, been through enough), while the criminals are very easy to find out and can therefore say that we jump to conclusion

Does that change anything?
You can't just make up facts because you don't have access to them. That's called lying.

I'd address your other points, but there's something about your posts that hints of a slight retardation so I don't really see the point.

Belnick wrote:

how hard is it, everyone that don't want to eat pork is not getting in, build "prisons"(for our and their safety) on öland or gotland where they can stay till the wars are over

sniperfin wrote:

When ever I see the word "islamofobic" I know Im reading bullshit and I can leave it there.

So there are people who want to build concentration camps for muslims yet it's madness to speak about islamophobia and draw parallels to antisemitism?

#1523495 by mrunne (Power User) at 2013-03-06 10:21:42 (4 months ago) - [Report]

Sargoth wrote:

So there are people who want to build concentration camps for muslims yet it's madness to speak about islamophobia and draw parallels to antisemitism?

I'd not go as far as building concentration camps or limit them in any way since we do want them to integrate with normal society. But I'm all for deporting the ones who commit crimes and their relatives. That way the whole family would put social pressure on these "model" youths not to commit crimes, rape or whatever.

Immigrants should be pushed to integrate into society instead of allowing them to build their "ghettos" where only they live and practice their own laws.

btw is it islmamophobia to not like Islam in your opinion? Either you are for it or you are a howling bigotting islamophobic?

#1523497 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-03-06 10:47:26 (4 months ago) - [Report]

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So there are people who want to build concentration camps for muslims yet it's madness to speak about islamophobia and draw parallels to antisemitism?

Yes. Jews were basically blamed for everything what was seen to be wrong.
The bankers are greedy jews, behind industry there are greedy jews etc.
Name something what is wrong in society and it had something to do with jews.

This is not the case with muslims, they are for most critisized for real events.
For example here in finland the government is blamed for the euro crisis, industry bosses are blamed for being greedy when they take huge options while workers are kicked out etc.
Muslims are not in the same position where jews were in europe when it was antisemitic and extreme views like that are not that common.
The only group which has more unite view of destorying a group are infact muslims in europe, who have brought the antisemitism in headlines again. Ofcourse there are and has been those european extreme right wing neo nazi groups, but what they have produced has been mainly only rethorics, no actions against jews, unlike muslims.

My point was that the word islamofobia is used always when there is talk about islam and the color of that talk is negative, it does not matter if the content is valid, somebody from the islamic community or from the european PC community is labeling it islamofobia. And thats why that word has lost it's value and is not taken seriuosly anymore.

#1523503 by Sargoth (Power User) at 2013-03-06 11:24:24 (4 months ago) - [Report]

mrunne wrote:

TheBlues wrote:

So there are people who want to build concentration camps for muslims yet it's madness to speak about islamophobia and draw parallels to antisemitism?

Well there should imo be some form of health quarantine set up before legal and illegal immigrants and refugees in general are allowed into the country, having updated papers which are in order could expedite this period, and those whom come in via other means ought to be sought out and put into quarantine. There has recently been cases of extremely resistant TBC that has surfaced, and none of the vaccines currently work for the TBC which developes in the lungs.
Which not only puts the indigenous population at risk but also other immigrants, so it is only for everyones safety. I'd like to see our government employ a stricter immigration policy more a like to New Zealand's policy when it comes to the peoples health and well being. But currently it is being neglected, dangerously so.

http://www.refugeehealth.govt.nz/resour … wChart.pdf
http://glossary.immigration.govt.nz/hea … porary.htm

edit: spelling

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#1523874 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-03-08 14:20:46 (4 months ago) - [Report]

Today I am ashamed to be a finn, truly:

Original post in finnish
http://yle.fi/uutiset/suomen_naisminist … an/6530262

http://translate.google.fi/translate?sl … %2F6530262

Finnish women ministers shall wear abaya (a muslim womens cloth which leaves only face,hands and feet) when they have political business with saudis.
Oh my fucking god. Just like the saudis politicians follow our customs when they are here. They refuce to shake hands with women etc.
WHY IS IT that it is always we who pulle the pants down and offer our asses to be penetrated ?

A finnish minister:

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#1523880 by alupigus (Lumberjack) at 2013-03-08 14:47:20 (4 months ago) - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

Wtf?This is so wrong on so many levels.I think its the oil issue to blame.I doubt that Finnish women ministers shall wear abaya for when they have political business with guys from Bangladesh

#1523882 by Arnemes (Power User) at 2013-03-08 14:48:36 (4 months ago) - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

Perfect on the international women day! Why should we give a crap? The entire Arab region exports less than Finland if you don't count the oil so you can't call them productive. Looking forward to the day when the oil runs out and these arrogant basterds can go back flying carpets.

Action we had in Sweden a couple of weeks ago against the oppression against woman in Iran.

Do you think any media reported shit about it? Pathetic. Only Flashback managed to write some words about it.

http://translate.google.com/translate?s … mp;act=url

This article is also highly interesting, media didn't write shit about it.

http://translate.google.com/translate?s … mp;act=url

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#1523884 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-03-08 14:58:07 (4 months ago) - [Report]

During the Muhammad cartoon controversy the former minister of culture Elisabeth Gerner Nielsen wore the hidjab in support of her party's multicultural policies, from 2007

This image has been resized, click here to view the full-sized image.

"Historically speaking lots of women have worn scarfs and it is becoming trendy again" (2007). I see in Finland you manage to outdo us

#1523886 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-03-08 15:01:07 (4 months ago) - [Report]

Yeah, that picture in my posts looks like a traditional scarf to me.

I would understand a single scarf,but the whole fucking outfit, fuck me.

Curse that man whoever allowed women in politics (and voting).

#1523891 by TheBlues (Power User) at 2013-03-08 15:24:43 (4 months ago) - [Report]

mrunne wrote:

btw is it islmamophobia to not like Islam in your opinion? Either you are for it or you are a howling bigotting islamophobic?

I hate Islam. If you only knew how much I despised it...
However, I don't believe that Islam is fundamentally different from say Christianity. The difference lies in the practicioners and not the practice.

(cue hOG's reply)

We should battle fundamentalist Muslims as we should battle fundamentalist Christians. And yes, those do exist here in Scandinavia. They preach to abolish gay rights, castrate transsexuals and burn books of science that contradict the bible. There's one such cult in my hometown, they even have their own schools of indoctrination. They're called "Livets ord".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livets_Ord

sniperfin wrote:

But that's exactly what SD says about immigrants and muslims in particular.
They say that by deporting all immigrants we will literally solve every problem that plagues Sweden today. Everything from the economic crisis to the dropping mathematics grades of school children.

And by the way, the picture you posted here was not of a abaya but of a niqab + an abaya. That said, I still believe it's a bad idea to conform to their twisted views on modesty.

sniperfin wrote:

Curse that man whoever allowed women in politics (and voting).

said sniperfin, the muslim.

#1523923 by mrunne (Power User) at 2013-03-08 18:05:18 (4 months ago) - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

I seriously hate our ministers right now. Wth are they thinking, next the saudis wont deal with women at all.

#1523971 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-03-08 21:36:20 (4 months ago) - [Report]

TheBlues wrote:

mrunne wrote:

btw is it islmamophobia to not like Islam in your opinion? Either you are for it or you are a howling bigotting islamophobic?

How is -you not believing that Islam is fundamentally different from "say Christianity"- relevant to the issue that mrunne is raising? Is it islamophoia to not like Islam? Your response is not answering the question.

Taking your postulate to heart nonetheless it doesn't take a 9 year old Muslim girl to see you have it wrong. Islam claims it is fundamentally different from any other religion. Particularly the corrupted Jewish and Christian bibles. The sharia makes clear social, theological and ethical dividing lines between Muslims and non-believers, people of the book etc. Muslims make clear they are different from Christians and other religions when they persecute them. You would have it hard to prove you are right with so much opposition. You cannot stop your inquiry at the "people are different, so they act different" line; you have to go further than that.

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We should battle fundamentalist Muslims as we should battle fundamentalist Christians. And yes, those do exist here in Scandinavia. They preach to abolish gay rights, castrate transsexuals and burn books of science that contradict the bible. There's one such cult in my hometown, they even have their own schools of indoctrination. They're called "Livets ord".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livets_Ord

They preach to abolish gay rights... legal.
They preach to castrate transsexuals... legal
They burn books.. legal
And they have their own schools... legal

You disagree with those things you battle them with words. However if you battle fundamentalist Muslims often in most cases it involves serious crime.

#1523988 by TheBlues (Power User) at 2013-03-09 00:15:51 (4 months ago) - [Report]

hOG wrote:

Now you're just being thick, but I'll play along and spell it out for you.

Disliking Islam is not the same as being "Islamophobic". I don't even like using that term, I only commented on sniperfin stopping to read articles just because he sees that word. I read some pretty shitty articles during my days, but I don't know they're shit until I finish reading them.

hOG wrote:

Taking your postulate to heart nonetheless it doesn't take a 9 year old Muslim girl to see you have it wrong. Islam claims it is fundamentally different from any other religion. Particularly the corrupted Jewish and Christian bibles. The sharia makes clear social, theological and ethical dividing lines between Muslims and non-believers, people of the book etc. Muslims make clear they are different from Christians and other religions when they persecute them. You would have it hard to prove you are right with so much opposition. You cannot stop your inquiry at the "people are different, so they act different" line; you have to go further than that.

hOG, if the difference does not lie in scripture by process of elimination it must lie in the people. Now, that wasn't so hard to prove, was it? It only took me one sentence.

So Islam claims it is fundamentally different from any other religion? Just like every fucking religion does. Or have you ever heard of a religion that markets itself as 'just another faith system'?
And don't even talk about making social, theological and ethical dividing lines between believers and non-believers. Have you even heard of Judaism? Compared to Islam, Judaism makes harder dividing lines on every single point you mentioned.

Also, Islamic scripture is clear on how muslims should treat Christians and Jews. Their prophet even says right out that Christians and Jews will be treated fairly until the judgement day. Now, is that shit occurring in reality? No, but it's in scripture and we're discussing Islam and not Muslims.

hOG wrote:

You disagree with those things you battle them with words. However if you battle fundamentalist Muslims often in most cases it involves serious crime.

Not really, we're talking about fundamentalists in Scandinavia and there's no serious and organised crime committed by fundamentalist Muslims. There are however organised and serious crimes comitted by wannabe "templar knights" like your favourite idol Breivik.

What you and sniperfin rage about is stupid shit that shitty muslims say. Like that they want to bring Sharia to Sweden and other fucked up statements. But if they do so legally through democracy then it's the exact same thing as what Livets Ord does.

Face the facts, hOG. If you were robbed by a Christian man then you would say he was a bad apple, but if you were robbed by a Muslim man then you'd say that Islam itself robbed you.

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#1524042 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-03-09 13:09:20 (4 months ago) - [Report]

@theblues

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Disliking Islam is not the same as being "Islamophobic".

The issue is this that people who express their dislike for Islam especially in the West are often accused of "islamophobia" either by Muslims or crazy liberal apologists like yourself. You claim to be an apostate. You of all people have reason to gladly take upon the label of an islamophobe as other apostates from Islam have done. But you paradoxically reject the status given to you by Muslims, a label which puts your life in danger, and you bend the knee then to defend Islam by smearing the criticizers of Islam. You assert that all religions are the same and when asked questions about this you are silent.

Which religion is the least of a shit in your opinion? After all you live in a country that is predominately affected by Christianity and which has welcomed you with open arms.

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hOG, if the difference does not lie in scripture by process of elimination it must lie in the people.

The thing is that the observation that the difference lie in the people is a banal observation. A truthful one, but a simple one that can be applied to any religion, ideology, belief. You limit yourself from the process of a full rational inquiry by stopping up here. Stop slumbering. The difference lies in culture, as pointed out earlier, it lies in scripture and indeed (obviously) in difference between people.

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So Islam claims it is fundamentally different from any other religion? Just like every fucking religion does. Or have you ever heard of a religion that markets itself as 'just another faith system'?
And don't even talk about making social, theological and ethical dividing lines between believers and non-believers. Have you even heard of Judaism? Compared to Islam, Judaism makes harder dividing lines on every single point you mentioned.

You are making relevant points, but points that I would make. I'm not the one claiming that Islam isn't fundamentally different from "say Christianity" or "say... X, Y or Z" religion. You are.

Islam claims these dividing lines and makes dividing lines, e.g. between man and woman. If you can prove otherwise and make it clear that Islam and "say Christianity" are not fundamentally different from one another on several of these matters.. Then do so now.. or hold your forked tongue behind your teeth

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Also, Islamic scripture is clear on how muslims should treat Christians and Jews. Their prophet even says right out that Christians and Jews will be treated fairly until the judgement day. Now, is that shit occurring in reality? No, but it's in scripture and we're discussing Islam and not Muslims.

Oh yeah.. it is very clear. Islam is really clear on how Christians and Jews are to be treated :lol:

Your prophet persecuted, murdered and enslaved Jews and Christians alike. Plenty of references in this thread to Islamic holy scripture. That happens in real life as well. So much in fact that Christianity has replaced Judaism as the most persecuted religion in 2013. This is mostly due to the warmarch of Islam, Boko Haram, in Egypt with Coptic Christians and the suppression of anything Christian in Asia, which is considered "Western". It is also pretty clear how Islam is treating apostasy. Or do you have no grounds "to hate Islam" at all?

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Did Breivik organize crimes now? You truly are reaching for straws as you always have in these debates when up against your betters. There is plenty of crime committed by fundamentalist Muslims. They take it out on the Jews, the homoes, the non-believers. Religious motives behind attacks are documented by intelligence services and Muslims take up nearly 100% of the physical assaults on Jews for example. As their scripture and culture mandates them to.

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What you and sniperfin rage about is stupid shit that shitty muslims say. Like that they want to bring Sharia to Sweden and other fucked up statements. But if they do so legally through democracy then it's the exact same thing as what Livets Ord does.

Livets Ord people do not number in the hundred of thousands. You would be taken more seriously if you took immigration more seriously. You underestimate the anti-democratic threat that is Islam, which is a religion of law meaning that you cannot take Sharia out of Islam without breaking Islam down. It is a religion of law like Judaism. It is not setup in the same way as Christianity is, so there is another difference for you to remember..

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Face the facts, hOG. If you were robbed by a Christian man then you would say he was a bad apple, but if you were robbed by a Muslim man then you'd say that Islam itself robbed you.

A Christian man would never do such a foul thing. An atheist or a Muslim on the other hand.. men without scruples..

#1524051 by TheBlues (Power User) at 2013-03-09 14:13:47 (4 months ago) - [Report]

hOG wrote:

Listen, I am loyal to the truth and the truth alone. I won't lie and exaggerate just to get back at a religion that I dislike. And I'm not a "crazy liberal apologist", in fact I've been called intolerant and unfairly harsh against Islam by fellow liberals. But that's to be expected, of course the rational and logical middle position will be attacked by bible thumping Christian crusaders like you as well as blind semi-muslims.

Your question on which religion is the least shit is so poorly defined. Do you want me to compare scripture? Do you want me to compare the current followers of the religions? Or perhaps you want me to compare the countries in which the religion in question is the most dominant?

Regardless, saying that Sweden welcomed me with open arms (I was born here, and so I was no more 'welcomed' than Erik Svensson in the delivery room next to mine) is quite irrelevant to your question.
You would have me make the assumption that Christianity is responsible for every single thing in Sweden, but there's nothing that says that if Islam was the predominate religion in the western world we would all be in the exact same discussion but regarding the evils of Christianity instead.

hOG wrote:

I'm not sure I understand your first paragraph. You said that Islam differs on certain points, I showed that it actually did not differ on those points. You granted me that and now you ask me to do what exactly? Repeat the exact same points that you admitted were valid?

Regarding the dividing lines between men and women though, they exist in the scripture of Christianity as well. The only difference is that the western world has largely abandoned Christian scripture and made progress regarding women's rights.

hOG wrote:

Did Breivik organize crimes now?

You probably don't follow the news outside of what your pastors tells you. But Breivik set off a bomb outside of government buildings in Norway which killed 8 people and then he went on to kill 69 people, mostly kids, on Utøya. I'd say his attacks were quite organised.

hOG wrote:

Livets Ord people do not number in the hundred of thousands. You would be taken more seriously if you took immigration more seriously.

Hold on!
You were the one that said that Livets Ord was okay because they did not break any laws. But now you're trying to say that it's about the number of their followers. So we're allowed to suspend free speech and democracy but only when the people who hold opposing beliefs start getting numerous?
Or maybe you're trying to say that Christians who want to implement religious laws are okay but muslims who do the same are the spawn of Satan.

Seriously hOG, the greatest threat to democracy in Scandinavia comes from right wing nationalists like SD and yourself, not from immigrants.

#1524078 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-03-09 18:30:37 (4 months ago) - [Report]

@theblues

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Listen, I am loyal to the truth and the truth alone.

Now, who is starting to sound like a "templar knight".. if you were loyal to truth and truth alone you would go further than the line you always deliver to uphold your political correctness that all religions are equally shit and that there is no fundamental difference between them; it is all about the practitioners. Something that goes against both common sense and the scientific study of religion. You are loyal to the paroles of political correct thinking, nothing more.

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I won't lie and exaggerate just to get back at a religion that I dislike. And I'm not a "crazy liberal apologist", in fact I've been called intolerant and unfairly harsh against Islam by fellow liberals. But that's to be expected, of course the rational and logical middle position will be attacked by bible thumping Christian crusaders like you as well as blind semi-muslims.

You honestly think I am going to accept your pronouncement that you dislike Islam.. You say it, but you don't explain why we are supposed to dislike Islam or even fear it, hate it or whatever. On the contrary you paradoxically say you hate Islam, but ferociously defend it by holding to a principle of equality. A principle which you cannot defend, because it is nonsensical. Ergo, you say it, but you don't mean it.

There is no reason to lie or exaggerate. I haven't exaggerated or lied. You have attempted to smear me and for what reason.. I don't get it. You are an apostate for fucks sake. You have more reason than anyone on this forum to hate Islam. So go be an islamophobe.. go be Christopher Hitchens. He has said worse things that I have on these forums.

The rational and logical middle position doesn't exist. This isn't about being for or against Islam, this is about fundamental differences between Islam and other religions that apparently for some reason you don't want to talk about. Child marriages, the mandates to kill homosexuals, hold slaves, take on holy war as a sacred duty, enact a toll and suppress the rights of non-believers in Muslim controlled societies.. these are all there in Islam and its history. You don't have to be a "bible thumping crusader", i.e. a literalist (which I am not), to understand that. It is quite awkward to see you are blind to even these elemental truths of the religion of your parents.

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Your question on which religion is the least shit is so poorly defined. Do you want me to compare scripture? Do you want me to compare the current followers of the religions? Or perhaps you want me to compare the countries in which the religion in question is the most dominant?

Answer the question in any way you see fit. Then I'll respond. You know I've asked you this question before and that it shut you up.

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Regardless, saying that Sweden welcomed me with open arms (I was born here, and so I was no more 'welcomed' than Erik Svensson in the delivery room next to mine) is quite irrelevant to your question.
You would have me make the assumption that Christianity is responsible for every single thing in Sweden, but there's nothing that says that if Islam was the predominate religion in the western world we would all be in the exact same discussion but regarding the evils of Christianity instead.

Christianity has been the dominant religion in your country almost for as long as organized Islam has existed. If you think that has no effect on Swedish culture or.. history.. then your brain is in even worse shape than I imagined.

My guess is that you admitting that Christianity is the least shitty religion in the world in that it has helped father societies and cultures that are higher developed and more free than other cultures in the world, that this would erode away your so-called "middle position". To admit that would count as a defeat to you, because you are an apologist for Islam and defend it by holding to the principle of equality.

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You saying that every religion are saying they are different from each other, and that this then count as another proof of -no difference at all between the religions-, is nonsense. They are postulates, which must be checked and assumed ahead of an inquiry to be true (that they have reasonable grounds for claiming religious differences between them). You on the other hand make a full stop and do not seem to be aware of even the basic similarities -and differences- between Islam and "say Christianity".

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Regarding the dividing lines between men and women though, they exist in the scripture of Christianity as well. The only difference is that the western world has largely abandoned Christian scripture and made progress regarding women's rights.

Islam makes women inferior to men also in the worship of Allah. Christianity doesn't make this differentiation. This becomes clear from the interpretation of its scripture and in the worship. It incorporates early on (and this is one of the objections Islam has against Christianity in its scriptures) the concept of sainthood, where men and women who have taken up martyrdom can intervene on behalf of believers. Especially Islam has a huge problem with Christianity when it comes to Mary, the mother of Jesus. In the Quran the trinity of the Christians are described as "God, Jesus and Mary". In other words, a misinterpretation of orthodox Christian theology at the time, but a very serious affront in Islam to raise a woman to godhood.

The western world make progress in connection with women's rights, but not by abandoning Christian scripture. Quite on the contrary Christian scripture is revitalized by the idea of feminism in the 20th century. With the "linguistic turn" it blossoms, it is revitalized. If this was the Quran, which is a book by Allah, this would be so much harder, or impossible.

Example: Feminism and Theological Language (pdf)

New streams of thought, like feminism, prospers in the West with Christianity. There are also women feminists that are Muslim. Here they number in the 100s. I've never stumbled upon a Muslim woman who was a feminist and dared deconstructing the Quran however.

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Organized crime and an organized attack is not the same thing, nevertheless I don't disagree with you that Breivik was a "lone wolf".

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Hold on!
You were the one that said that Livets Ord was okay because they did not break any laws. But now you're trying to say that it's about the number of their followers. So we're allowed to suspend free speech and democracy but only when the people who hold opposing beliefs start getting numerous?
Or maybe you're trying to say that Christians who want to implement religious laws are okay but muslims who do the same are the spawn of Satan.

I never said they were okay. I pointed out that all those actions of Livets Ord that you hinted to are "fundamentalist" were lawful unlike the actions of most fundamentalist Muslims. And you know that to be truth, because you are a templar knight loyal to truth and truth alone.

If we compare both of the anti-democratic religions/ideologies, Livets Ord with fundamentalist Islam, the bigger threat is Islam, because they are greater in number and would implement anti-democratic policies or overturn democratic government. We must protect our democracy. The reason for the failure of the mulicultural project is that we have found out that we can't live together, because our values and culture are so different from one another. That is also why we need to limit immigration. No suspension of free will necessary, only its protection and the enforcement of laws.

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Seriously hOG, the greatest threat to democracy in Scandinavia comes from right wing nationalists like SD and yourself, not from immigrants.

If you say so... yet you've agreed that it is a good thing to limit immigration or nearly halt it. I guess you must have your reasons.. I've seemed to have caught you in taqiyya.

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#1524469 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-03-13 11:07:11 (4 months ago) - [Report]

No wonder swedish media is biased as hell and uses all kind of code words when they try to hide the involvement of immigrants so their huge overrepresentation would not be so obviout to the voting citizens.
And not only crimes, but other social problems which are presents on areas having a large number of immigrants.
The charts above compares the political leanings of SVT (swedish television) workers (upper) and the general political leanings in sweden.
On average among the citiizens it's almost 50/50 when it comes to left vs right, but in swedish television it's 83 vs 17, totally different take. Especially MP (green party, which is the main party for rallying multiculturalism at any costs) is humangous in SVT and naturally sverige democraterna has 0. The green partry and the most left party (former communists) vänsterpartiet together have 70% of SVT workers supporting them.
Our media is also leaned on left, but these swedish numbers are just ridiculous.

#1524482 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2013-03-13 14:40:27 (4 months ago) - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

Our media is also leaned on left, but these swedish numbers are just ridiculous.

welcome to America. This is my main argument of the perceptions many of you Europeans hold about the US that is being painted by hard leftist that run not only our but as you point out your own media. Can you imagine the level of selective editorial narration disguised as facts being conducted by the time you get the information?

#1524483 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-03-13 14:47:42 (4 months ago) - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

sniperfin wrote:

Our media is also leaned on left, but these swedish numbers are just ridiculous.

Yeah, but your left is a bit different than ours, especially when we talk about the greens.
Here the right is more left than your left has ever been or ever will be.
Your news are more liberal then left.

#1524590 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-03-13 23:21:05 (4 months ago) - [Report]

Considering that around 80 percent of all morning papers in Sweden is right winged as the link I provided in the other thread many months ago it might be an explanation that journalists with left sympathies seek them self to public service since it is truly free and not have a financial point. If you are right winged you have a million more options. It is just one part of the news that is suppose to provide the information the other newspapers refuse to print. To extend the freedom of speech.

About 10 years back there where a similar investigation that claimed that 60% of the public service was communist.

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#1524737 by unknown[494042] at 2013-03-14 21:53:53 (4 months ago) - [Report]

big fail,. no more doutze kroes if we go on like this,.

No offense to woman protecting their schoonheid..

http://www.vman.com/site/content/546/do … srobes#!/7

#1524915 by unknown[532230] at 2013-03-16 12:47:00 (4 months ago) - [Report]

For some people it will come as a surprise to hear that there are no muslim gangs in sweden, denmark or any other scandinavian country, that there are no real shootings. Many refuse to believe this because they believe whatever the news is telling them. Gang rapes which was mentioned earlier is just another way of them lying about what is really going on in their society. the muslim is just the scapegoat for their right wing propaganda machine.

#1524919 by mrunne (Power User) at 2013-03-16 13:47:36 (4 months ago) - [Report]

shakilo wrote:

And on what do you base your beliefs? You can't just say something without proof.

#1524921 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-03-16 13:51:50 (4 months ago) - [Report]

shakilo wrote:

Nice try again, your last trolling and nonsense posting was a bit better than this one, but still, this is not good enough, so bye bye.

Last edited by sniperfin at 2013-03-16 13:54:03

#1524926 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2013-03-16 14:59:40 (4 months ago) - [Report]

Funny seeing SF referred to as part of a right wing propaganda machine.

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