Protests in The ME and Africa

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#1535202 by Melrose86 (User) at 2013-07-03 23:07:02 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

all we hear here is that it dangerous to point lazer lights at helicopters, did yous see that one that kept flying over haha 100's on it everytime, was class looking i thought

#1535212 by tidus (Power User) at 2013-07-04 01:19:09 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Egypt orders mass arrests of Muslim Brotherhood members — http://read.bi/14OFvqV

#1535218 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2013-07-04 02:22:22 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Rounding up and detaining political opposition is frighteningly naziesque.

#1535219 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2013-07-04 03:04:25 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

yeah this entire thing is very troubling. The guy did win an open election where I dont recall accusations of fraud and the people passed that constitution, but you get enough loud mouth protestors in the street and suddenly that all goes out the window?

#1535224 by alupigus (Lumberjack) at 2013-07-04 07:32:21 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

mbodnar wrote:

Rounding up and detaining political opposition is frighteningly naziesque.

qbert95 wrote:

yeah this entire thing is very troubling.

You guys are feeling sorry for the Muslim Brotherhood? :unsure:

#1535226 by Timex (Power User) at 2013-07-04 08:17:42 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

alupigus wrote:

mbodnar wrote:

Rounding up and detaining political opposition is frighteningly naziesque.

qbert95 wrote:

yeah this entire thing is very troubling.

You guys are feeling sorry for the Muslim Brotherhood? :unsure:

The people running the current government are all assholes ripping off the tax payers and unlike the rest of the world the past few decades...they threw them out of office FAST.

Learn from them.

#1535248 by warduke Donor

(Power User) at 2013-07-04 15:44:57 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

They just don't really understand the concept of democracy and learning to live with election results.

If he was really doing anything criminal, they should have set their country up to be able to impeach the man, but they didn't..

Now they are going to start all over again. Egypt 3.0

#1535258 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2013-07-04 18:04:10 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Pretty much this. ^^^

It's not a matter of "feeling Bad" for anybody, but Brown Shirt tactics like storming media outlets and grabbing up and detaining duly elected politicians makes them just as bad as those they oppose. Civilized people settle grievances in a civilized manner, not through mob mentality and gang rapes.

#1535264 by alupigus (Lumberjack) at 2013-07-04 19:14:55 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

mbodnar wrote:

Civilized people settle grievances in a civilized manner

To "settle grievances in a civilized manner" with hard-core Islamist is a bit difficult.I don`t think anybody need another Iran look alike country so close to Europe.Or maybe I`m wrong because someone is supplying the religious nut-jobs from Syria with weapons..

#1535277 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2013-07-04 21:11:08 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

alupigus wrote:

They were Islamist before they were elected and people voted for them on that account in a free and open election. The west cant keep telling these countries that democracy is the way to go and than turn around and criticize them when they dont elect liberal secular governments. That said the more I read about this the more it seems like this has nothing to do with any of that and more to do with Morsi ruffling the military's features with his reaching out to (Shiite) Iran and these demonstrations were just a convenient excuse to throw him out.

#1535296 by warduke Donor

(Power User) at 2013-07-05 00:01:28 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Wasn't there like 20 candidates or something stupid like that? Too many candidates = largest minority faction winning the election. <- there is probably an Obama joke in there somewhere.

I honestly don't think they are ready for a President. Maybe a Quorum is more their speed right now.

I am gonna laugh my ass off when the Brotherhood wins the Presidency again, if they opt for such an option.

Last edited by warduke at 2013-07-05 00:02:10

#1535310 by alupigus (Lumberjack) at 2013-07-05 07:54:32 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

That said the more I read about this the more it seems like this has nothing to do with any of that and more to do with Morsi ruffling the military's features with his reaching out to (Shiite) Iran and these demonstrations were just a convenient excuse to throw him out.

Kicking out an Islamist....I see nothing wrong with that.It`s also a kind of an warning (a wake up call) for Erdogan.

IMO the only way for a sort of democracy for an Muslim country is kemalism that mean:

Republicanism
Nationalism
Populism
Secularism
Statism
Revolutionism

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalist_ideology).

With military acting as the guardian of Kemalist ideology, the official state ideology, especially of the secular aspects of Kemalism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Armed_Forces)

...all this sounds and looks a bit strange for a a "classical" western democracy ,but for Muslim world it works.

#1535403 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2013-07-06 19:07:12 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

alupigus wrote:

Kicking out an Islamist....I see nothing wrong with that.It`s also a kind of an warning (a wake up call) for Erdogan.
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the problem is the majority in that country are Islamist who voted for an Islamist and whose Islamist leader was legitimized by king Obama and his administration. That is why a silly demonstration with a hundred thousand loud mouths is a ridiculous reason to overthrow a fairly elected government, the Islamist majority now is going to brutalize those people and the military is going to be helpless to stop it. The minority are about to find out why you use elections to change governments in a democracy and not coups.

#1535417 by Timex (Power User) at 2013-07-07 03:06:38 (3 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I don't live in the local,don't believe much of anything in the news and about half of what I think I see...but it is said many who voted him in wanted him out and 20% of the population held protests.

Story is that one minority that voted for him wanted him out because he had not attacked Israel.

Like the guy who pointed out...20 minorities running for office and the largest one wins the most votes.
A pure democracy is a path to ruin.

#1535440 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-07-07 12:37:27 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

There was never any democracy in the ME. Leave it to the American administration to think they can create democratic governments overnight. The European and US democracies took hundreds of years to form. Only governments can be destroyed over night. Good things take a long time to create. As for Egypt, Morsi never had the support of the military. Mubarak did which is why he was able to hold power for so long. Furthermore he gave a minimum of support for religious minorities. Something Morsi has not done, because he is an islamist. The Egyptians are not united around a common cause that will provide them with stability and this will end in civil war, is my guess.

#1535495 by mrunne (Power User) at 2013-07-08 07:48:16 (2 weeks ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

hOG wrote:

Looking at it like this I think we will have another Syria on our hands pretty soon.

#1537384 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-07-25 11:06:48 (2 days ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Timex requested this thread is re-opened.

#1538050 by I (Power User) at 2013-07-27 21:47:49 (12 hours ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

A twitter debate between the Swedish FM and the ****ing low Egyptian ambassador

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