Still, while I do not think it's a nice thing to forbid. Personally I wouldn't care if I can't play a used game, since I never buy one anyway. And I am sure ALOT of people think the same, and if they get the developers into it their console might gain an edge over the Playstation when it comes to exclusives. For the first time in Xbox-history.
Think plenty of people wouldnt care about waterproofed discs or whatever, and developers might feel inclined to produce exclusives for such a system since it would make their profits alot bigger if people didn't buy and sell second hand. Making that system even more enticing.
Just means people wont purchase as much and most would just wait until games have dropped in price. Meaning developers will be out of pocket and less games will get sold. Some have two of the same consoles in there house so if they want to share a game its a big no no.
Think plenty of people wouldnt care about waterproofed discs or whatever, and developers might feel inclined to produce exclusives for such a system since it would make their profits alot bigger if people didn't buy and sell second hand. Making that system even more enticing.
Just means people wont purchase as much and most would just wait until games have dropped in price. Meaning developers will be out of pocket and less games will get sold. Some have two of the same consoles in there house so if they want to share a game its a big no no.
Epic FAIL .
I dont think that will be the effect, but it might be. Just look at how these new copyprotections affect peoples piracy, some guys who would download anything at day one starts buying things withint the first week if a cracked version isn't available.
Not much point in debating the issue, since it's all speculation. Sony has a copyprotectionsystem in place as well, but has left it up to the developers if they want to use it or not. Most likely anyway.
WOW!...I cannot believe MS plans on putting the restriction on second hand games. That's nuts.
I have bought new games and sold them within a few days because I thought they weren't that good.
(mainly the multpilayer aspect) .
In the future that would mean I wouldn't be able to sell them to recoup some of my money.
I have also bought used games just to check them out because the reviews were a bit iffy and I didn't want to pay the new full price.
This will definitely affect how many games I buy. I'll just wait until the price drops by half.
In an ideal world Microsoft would sell exactly 0 consoles until they removed their greedy protection system. We're not living in an ideal world though and there are countles zombies just waiting for another Metal Gear or Gears of War with no regard for the price that has to be payed.
How funny would it be if console gaming died instead of PC gaming because people rejected all this crap ?
I've bought tons of used games since u can save up to 50% even a week after released if buying from private person but gamestop bullshit.
And so many games that i might loved to play but completed and know i wont be playing again for many years i dont see why it should just be siting on the shelf collecting dust, ive sold 90% of the games ive bought and could buy new games with those money.
If i loose that option fuck that but lets see what happens if M$ fucks up there protection again new xbox gonna be raped in 6months most likely and we can play everything for free anyway, atleast hackers is gonna go full out on removing then 100% online to play and i doubt its gonna take long.
Regarding the "used games" stuff:
I’m pretty sure both Microsoft and Sony will have some form of selective per-user DRM that at least specific publishers can employ, similar to how Steam works.
They would have to be extremely stupid from a business-perspective to not at least keep that door wide open, since neither the publishers nor platform owners themselves (royalties) get any money from sales that GameStop and similar shops make.
Both Microsoft/Sony and Publishers/Developers lose (and usually the customers too, since they are being ripped off with the prices and get a pittance for "trading in" their games) and only GameStop wins in that relationship.
I think it is also very likely that they will focus more on Digital Distribution of even full price “AAA” games themselves and possibly offer more Sales like on Steam, which “Xbox Live” seems to be doing more often nowadays (they also likely get a much higher margin on Digital Sales, since the Retailer cut is about ~30% and Digital Distribution Platform Cut usually around ~70%)
What I don’t get is why people would buy something “Pre-Owned” and not just pirate the games when they know Devs get nothing and the price difference for reasonably new games is somewhere around $2-5 in most of these type of shops: http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/games/ … ies/104328 , since apparently about half of GameStops sales were “Pre-Owned” based on their numbers that is a lot of lost sales. Publishers would probably rather see it only half of the people play their games, but give them the money directly than have double the consumer base but get less because of increasingly more Retailers (like GameStop, Best Buy, Amazon etc.) cutting into their profits.
Remember that content industries have done entirely more radical things in the US to protect their interests, for instance outright outlaw rentals of both Record/Music CDs with the Record Rental Amendment of 1984 and software with the Computer Software Rental Amendment Act of 1990. That's mostly why people can't rent music or software anywhere.
Frankly, I also don’t think this would be such a big deal, because overall gamers as a whole have shown again and again that they have no self-control, even amongst those that talk big will often cave in to whatever business practices they are being subjected to when there’s a new entry in their favorite franchise and they get to see the Trailers and everything. I find this to be a very sad thing, but I don’t think most of even the ones taking this stance now will feel the same way after the reveal of “awesome” games at the next E3 or when these new consoles aren't an abstract thought, but they see their friends play the new Call of Duty or NFL game on their shiny new toy or whatever. The best example would be that screenshot making the round of over half the “Modern Warfare 3 Boycott Group” playing exactly that game hours after its Release.
That said, both Microsoft and Sony will likely go out of their way to frame this in a positive light, they won't come out and outright say "we are banning used games", they will try and sell it as some sort of feature like the "Online Passes" or "Day 1 DLC" or Account-requirements for Online and Digital Distribution or whatever. Also see the popularity of Steam, which does exactly that.
I'm just thinking if MS would go out and say, "used games won't work on our console, but our games on release are 20 bucks cheaper than what it was on xbox360", I would gladly buy the new xbox.
The game/gamestop shops in my town usually only lowers the price by about 5 bucks on any game that gets good reviews, even though it's pre-owned. Maybe after 6-12 months it's 15 bucks.
Only "cheap" games I can buy are games that get lower than 65 on metascore, or 5+ years old(fifa/nfl/nba/nhl - exceptions).
Games for Microsoft's new Xbox console will be run directly from the hard drive and won't need the original disc to play, the latest leak suggests.
The reports indicate this is part of Microsoft's beefed-up anti-piracy protection for next-gen.
The next Xbox will come with a hulking hard drive to "hold a large number of games".
"All games will be installed on the hard drive", documentation leaked by VGleaks claimed. "Play from the optical disc will not be supported."
The Verge claimed the information backed up what it knew of the in-development machine. The leak also tallies with Digital Foundry sources' knowledge of the next Xbox's hard drive. A minimum capacity of 500GB has been mooted.
Coupled with that, new references to an "always-on, always connected" console throw weight behind previous rumours that the console will block pre-owned games.
It's easy to imagine a product key system, verified by the console every time a game loads from the hard drive via its always-online nature. Once a game was installed, its disc(s) would become redundant.
The one caveat to this is that, while apparently genuine, the information is dated from last year. It's no surprise that Microsoft is exploring methods of blocking used-games. What remains to be seen is whether such technology makes it into the final machine.
"Unless something has changed recently," one of the sources told us over email, "Durango consumer units must have an active internet connection to be used."
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"If there isn't a connection, no games or apps can be started," the source continued. "If the connection is interrupted then after a period of time--currently three minutes, if I remember correctly--the game/app is suspended and the network troubleshooter started."
Given that legally I cannot confirm or deny if this information is true, nor can I comment on rumor or speculation, all I can say is be sure to pay your ISP bills.
I'm pretty much taking this as confirmation. Probably not the way Microsoft wanted this to come out.
So the world of gaming keeps spiralling ever deeper into a pit of shittyness. Nothing new here methinks.
I was actually recommending my cousin get a console instead of a PC a week ago, but I keep seeing news like this and can't help but think a small PC connected to a TV would be a better bet.
if this is true this will absolutely be the doom of nextbox,im not gonna buy ps4 due to several reason,so I had hope for next xbox,but if it requires aways on connection thats gonna be the grave for MS.I notice when I play my ps3 sometimes that I get signed out of psn for some reason,it sucks but it doesnt interfere with my game,so if the same thing happens to 720 im screwed,I have played an hour or so without saving and that happens and 720 acts up and I need to start all over again,so 1hour is lost due to stupid decisions from ms.
I wont get any next gen consoles,since both sucks,for me I mean.
so I hope next gen consoles does bad.
just watched it excactly what I feel about the issue at hand on the nextbox,their basically loosing next gen race before 720 is released,but hey I guess MS always has win8 to back on,which is totally shitt and its an OS for tablets on desktop.
Not that i agree with what he is saying, it is bullshit and i do not like it, but there is a point to it, i am going to play a little devils advocate here.
Why should they care for the few people with bad internet, when the vast majority of their audience already have proper, stable connections?
They are not responsible for making sure you can play games when things go bad on YOUR end, Internet is a service you pay for that might get shitfucked, but it is not their problem when that happens and you can not play because of it, just like it is not their fault for when your power goes out.
Not that i agree with what he is saying, it is bullshit and i do not like it, but there is a point to it, i am going to play a little devils advocate here.
Why should they care for the few people with bad internet, when the vast majority of their audience al ready have proper, stable connections?
They are not responsible for making sure you can play games when things go bad on YOUR end, Internet is a service you pay for that might get shitfucked, but it is not their problem when that happens and you can not play because of it, just like it is not their fault for when your power goes out.
He doesn't and he's full of shit, if a game uses "Always Online DRM" it is reason enough not to get it, no matter if its the second coming of Gaming or the most creative/bestest game on earth.
To use a feature that isn't needed for any other purpose than DRM is bad design, to force "Always Online" in SinglePlayer games or to be able to use a PC in a new hypothetical version of Windows is about the same as designing a wooden spoon that needs electricity to work or a fridge that needs a Internet connection to be able to open the door (stupid analogies are still stupid, but still)
Nobody has anything against Online-Requirements for games that actually require it like MMOs or Multiplayer-games/Modes, because their basic concept is built around people playing against other people or existing in the same big, persistent world and running around doing quests or dungeon runs. On games like Diablo III or Sim City or even on a game console it is redundant, unnecessary ballast which (in the best case) only serves as additional error source to make it unusable in certain cases (of which there are many: servers are full/overloaded, DDOS-Attacks, Hacking (see PS3), Maintenance work and Updates for instance or everything that can happen on your part from having to move and wait for a connection to having a bad router or connection that constantly disconnects etc.) and nobody should accept that sort of shit.
On top of that comes patronizing consumers, more data and statistics collections to be able to share with their Advertising-partners and personally the feeling of having an always connected "Kinect or PlayStation Eye" camera with a microphone array on an Always connected device in the living room also kind of creeps me out.
People should also consider what happens with their "Always Online" console (or games) when these become outdated/unsupported and the servers close down or when the companies behind them go bankrupt. You wouldn't be able to play any game older than a few years now if this was the case years ago.
My ISP has gremlins working their station so Internet goes down sometimes. On my PC i play mostly online games and when Internet goes down I boot up my PS3 and enjoy some singleplayer game.
He doesn't and he's full of shit, if a game uses "Always Online DRM" it is reason enough not to get it, no matter if its the second coming of Gaming or the most creative/bestest game on earth.
To use a feature that isn't needed for any other purpose than DRM is bad design, to force "Always Online" in SinglePlayer games or to be able to use a PC in a new hypothetical version of Windows is about the same as designing a wooden spoon that needs electricity to work or a fridge that needs a Internet connection to be able to open the door (stupid analogies are still stupid, but still)
Nobody has anything against Online-Requirements for games that actually require it like MMOs or Multiplayer-games/Modes, because their basic concept is built around people playing against other people or existing in the same big, persistent world and running around doing quests or dungeon runs. On games like Diablo III or Sim City or even on a game console it is redundant, unnecessary ballast which (in the best case) only serves as additional error source to make it unusable in certain cases (of which there are many: servers are full/overloaded, DDOS-Attacks, Hacking (see PS3), Maintenance work and Updates for instance or everything that can happen on your part from having to move and wait for a connection to having a bad router or connection that constantly disconnects etc.) and nobody should accept that sort of shit.
On top of that comes patronizing consumers, more data and statistics collections to be able to share with their Advertising-partners and personally the feeling of having an always connected "Kinect or PlayStation Eye" camera with a microphone array on an Always connected device in the living room also kind of creeps me out.
People should also consider what happens with their "Always Online" console (or games) when these become outdated/unsupported and the servers close down or when the companies behind them go bankrupt. You wouldn't be able to play any game older than a few years now if this was the case years ago.
It's just plain bad, and needs to die in a fire.
I agree, it should be an option.
But from a business standpoint in this day and age he does have a point. The people with poor connections and those that want to play offline is a very small group of people in the big picture, so what they really want is, to the company, not a priority to them. And all the data they can garner, and sell, from it always being online will make them more money than they will lose from the few people that now won't buy the console.
And yes, the camera thing creeps me the fuck out. I'd glady share and tell them what gamse i play, but them requiring me to have a camera plugged in for me to even use the console is seriously creepy.
And we all now how good the "internet crowd" is at boycotting stuff... Remember the MW2 boycott on steam picture? Pretty much explains why corporations don't listen to what people on the internet say most of the time.
Also, yes, this is pretty much so they have a killswitch for the console that they could use, when they decide that they want people to no longer play that console and push them towards the new one.
Sure all you that dosent mind the "always on" what about those millions of people that live where internet is hard/costly to get not the whole world live in a nice city with good stable internet.
But if M$ really goes this way and roumers still about second hand games not working they are gonna get screwed over this console generation by gamers, but still they will sell tons of consoles cause parents just buy for there kids without knowing.
But i cant really see this happening else they are fucking stupid.
Always on DRM on console is really bad. I know it's to secure their income and all. It will no longer be buying a device to play games, but a service. So now your playing games won't be only conditioned by whether you want to play or not, but also by whether service MS provides is on or not, whether your internet connection is fine or not.
And also another fun fact is that if it becomes failure they probably will make some hole in ToA or whatever that will allow them to charge ppl for using it, just becouse your "product aka xbox" is no longer a product but a service.
I hope they won't do such bullshit move like always on DRM, but it's Microsoft so everything can happen.
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