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#1530796 by tidus (Power User) at 2013-05-14 02:15:21 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/07/nr … le-science

#1530799 by collanderDonor (Power User) at 2013-05-14 02:38:56 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

tidus wrote:

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/07/nrc-to-only-pursue-commercially-viable-science

This way Harper can cash in on the taxes generated.

#1530834 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2013-05-14 12:11:01 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

I agree with this.  Government shouldn't be in the buisness of research soley for the sake of enlightenment.  On the other hand, useful things like disease or energy research that benefit people is a legitiamate use of taxpayer money.

#1530841 by alupigus (Lumberjack) at 2013-05-14 12:49:10 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

mbodnar wrote:

I agree with this.  Government shouldn't be in the buisness of research soley for the sake of enlightenment.  On the other hand, useful things like disease or energy research that benefit people is a legitiamate use of taxpayer money.

How about mathematics or history research?

#1530845 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-05-14 14:19:52 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

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"Scientific discovery is not valuable unless it has commercial value,"

Only a moron would give a statement like that. The march order in science has in most cased been following --> a new phenomenom has been found and it has been studied, then somebody has came out with an idea how to use this new knowledge in an application.
To set a specific goal first (commercial application) and then try to find solution how to make it happen would limit our scientific knowledge hugely and hinder the progress dramatically.

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On the other hand, useful things like disease or energy research that benefit people

You do realize that science in many cases is a cross platform, where a discovery in the other field provides information which can be then used elsewhere.
New knowledge which is only knowledge in the field it was discovered can provide something which can be then used when making both commercial and aiding applications.

Also the urge to know is in our genes and a wise society supports that very basic need, it makes the people of that society much more happy.

Science is a tool to find out how things are, a tool which we use when we try to find out the answers to the most grand questions we as humans have. It's the foundation which has brought us here, the curiosity and the will to learn. To make it a slave to commercial markets would be insane.

#1530847 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-05-14 14:37:09 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

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Science is a tool to find out how things are, a tool which we use when we try to find out the answers to the most grand questions we as humans have. It's the foundation which has brought us here, the curiosity and the will to learn.

HAIL SCIENCE

#1530848 by tidus (Power User) at 2013-05-14 14:47:32 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

interesting.

http://www.popsci.com/technology/articl … amp;dom=fb

#1530849 by TheBlues (Power User) at 2013-05-14 15:19:10 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

hOG wrote:

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Science is a tool to find out how things are, a tool which we use when we try to find out the answers to the most grand questions we as humans have. It's the foundation which has brought us here, the curiosity and the will to learn.

HAIL SCIENCE

No, science is fucking bullshit. We all know that learning should be rejected. Let's all just worship this rock that sort of looks like a guy.

#1530850 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-05-14 15:50:10 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

TheBlues wrote:

hOG wrote:

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Science is a tool to find out how things are, a tool which we use when we try to find out the answers to the most grand questions we as humans have. It's the foundation which has brought us here, the curiosity and the will to learn.

HAIL SCIENCE

No, science is fucking bullshit. We all know that learning should be rejected. Let's all just worship this rock that sort of looks like a guy.

No, science is awesome. We all know that learning shouldn't be rejected. Lets all worship this rock that sort of looks like a guy. There is a darker history of science that isn't reflected in that romanticising of science above. Science has always progressed best in wartime and the US government did so up to and after WW2, Vietnam and under the cold war. And what about eugenics, the political effects of that scientific method that carried on long after Darwin. Historically it isn't true that it is science that has brought us here to this "point", it is much more complicated of course. Don't put science up on the ideological pedestal and hail science. Don't put those words in your mouth, TheBlues.

#1530851 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-05-14 16:05:12 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

But the fact is that because of science our society is like it is today, undisputable fact.

Medicine, engineering (including military applications,the ability to print books, the ability to fly, internet, you name it), etc. etc.
Our society is what it is because of science and how it will be in the future also depens on science.

There is no dark history on science, it is only a tool to find out things, the dark history is made by us humans  who have used the knowledge aquired by science abusively.

What you are saying is just ridiculous and a pathetic try to make science look like religion (which in many cases has texts and dogma what makes people to do bad things, science has no such texts or dogma, it's only a tool to find out how things are).

Science is the only, the one and only way to find out how things are, period.
But it doesn't tell us what to do with that information (like religion in many cases does), that is up to us humans. And it's science which also has given us the information why we in some cases use the new information for bad things aswell as good things.

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Historically it isn't true that it is science that has brought us here to this "point", it is much more complicated of course.

The only complicated thing is the decisions we have made up based on the new information science has given us, but the groundstone still is science,without it, we wouldn't have anything to make decisions from.

Now go and pray in the corner, for forgiveness of your idiotic words (again).

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#1530856 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-05-14 16:57:15 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

@Sniper

Hold on, I'm not disputing that medicine, engineering, etc. haven't advanced our society. E.g. antibiotics and vaccines have a huge affect on society and our longevity. You can explain society from science alone, just like you can explain society using marxism as a principle of orientation. It won't give you the full picture. I can't explain the The Peace of Westphalia using science; in that case I can use historical methods to describe a series of historical incidents that came to have an affect on (future) society - and that wasn't related to science. Strictly speaking your "everything" is limited also. You are putting the science up on the pedestal.

Eugenics is applied science. If you don't agree that this type of science isn't "dark" or "unethical" or whichever word you prefer, then you and I disagree and I think you will find yourself in the minority. Humans abuse things and then it also makes sense to assume they can abuse something they have created; religion, science, political theories, etc. now step away from the computer, have a mint tea, some tissue and pick up a copy of Nature and do your "thing". Then afterwards put science up on the pedestal and repeat after me: HAIL SCIENCE

#1530858 by TheBlues (Power User) at 2013-05-14 17:50:00 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

But you're missing a major thing here, hOG. Religion has no intrinsic value, but science does. We're not saying that religion can never be used for good and science can never be abused. But the scientific method gives us real validated facts about the world we live in whilst religion does fuck all. There's the fundamental difference.

Science is like a knife, yes it can be used for evil but it has an infinite amount of uses that are positive and beneficial for mankind. Religion is like claiming you have a knife when you actually don't, it can only be used for threatening and frightening people.



#1530862 by Jooboo (Power User) at 2013-05-14 19:10:54 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Parents 'tried to exorcise daughter, 10'
A couple living in Sweden have been charged with child abuse for trying to exorcise their daughter at age 10 because they thought she was a witch, a prosecutor said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … er-10.html

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Religion is good as long as it is exercised as a hobby or used to start orgies. But when religion goes to your head and you start to believe stuff then it is very bad for you and for those close to you. Should be laws against letting people come in contact with religion before the age of 20 and should be taxed higher than alcohol and tobacco. Should also require a license of perfect mental health before you get to "preach" to others.

#1530866 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-05-14 19:30:10 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

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Eugenics is applied science. If you don't agree that this type of science isn't "dark" or "unethical" or whichever word you prefer, then you and I disagree

I don't agree that the information obtained from that field of science is dark or unethical.
Only when that information is used to do bad things it becomes bad, but it's not the fault of science, it's the fault of humans.
Nuclear physics is not dark or unethical even when it has provided us a nuclear bomb which then were used to kill people.
One can argue if using those a-bombs was unethical or not, but the field of science which provided the information certainly is not.

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now step away from the computer, have a mint tea, some tissue and pick up a copy of Nature and do your "thing".

I don't drink tea and I have a real scientist (a biologist) available for doing my "thing", and she even shouts my name and rank while Im doing it (I have also heard her shouting jesus while Im on it, but that's taken care of with a little friendly slap).

#1530902 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2013-05-14 23:41:21 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

I had a 7th grade science teache that was half American Indian, half Italian.  Good lord was she hot.

#1530906 by Timex (Power User) at 2013-05-15 00:04:26 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

mbodnar wrote:

I had a 7th grade science teache that was half American Indian, half Italian.  Good lord was she hot.

News Flash...in the 7th grade ALL the teachers are hot,even the fat ugly ones.

Anyhow...Random News Links pls people?

Woman Drinks Beer Though Her Ear

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/1 … weird-news

#1530908 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2013-05-15 00:30:44 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Rich Manhattan moms hire handicapped tour guides so kids can cut lines at Disney World

despicable cunts

#1530940 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-05-15 15:09:29 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

The Video of a Rebel Eating a Dead Man's Organs Is a New Low in Syria
"I swear to God, soldiers of Bashar, you dogs – we will eat your heart and livers! Takbir! God is Great! Oh my heroes of Baba Amr, you slaughter the Alawites and take their hearts out to eat them!”
- Source

Can democracy blossom.. the link is to the atlantic wire which shows three censored, but still brutal looking screenshots. Simply disgusting..

#1530952 by TheBlues (Power User) at 2013-05-15 17:14:33 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

hOG wrote:

Can democracy blossom.. the link is to the atlantic wire which shows three censored, but still brutal looking screenshots. Simply disgusting..

Yeah, because the leader of an independent brigade mutilating a corpse means that democracy is impossible. It's not like every single armed conflict in modern history has been plagued by rapes, mass murders and other warcrimes regardless of whether the countries involved are democratic or not.

Just look at this news that just came out;

Japanese politician calls wartime sex slaves 'necessary'
"Japanese officials have distanced themselves from comments made by a prominent nationalist politician that suggested women forced to become prostitutes to entertain Japanese troops during World War II were "necessary."


Yeah, that's right. 200 000 asian women were forced to be sexslaves during world war II.

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#1530956 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-05-15 17:22:05 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

An influential Syrian-Danish politician here has expressed the same doubts I did above, TheBlues. Get off your high camel.

#1530959 by TheBlues (Power User) at 2013-05-15 18:13:53 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

hOG wrote:

An influential Syrian-Danish politician here has expressed the same doubts I did above, TheBlues. Get off your high camel.

An influential Syrian-Danish politician is not immune against stupidity. I thought you were old as shit, how haven't you learned that argument of authority is a logical fallacy?

#1530964 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-05-15 19:23:01 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

TheBlues wrote:

hOG wrote:

An influential Syrian-Danish politician here has expressed the same doubts I did above, TheBlues. Get off your high camel.

An influential Syrian-Danish politician is not immune against stupidity. I thought you were old as shit, how haven't you learned that argument of authority is a logical fallacy?

Okay, so since we are back to our seventh thread hijack.. I will joust your hypocritical mind  a) arab spring movement = democracy is a joke. b) I wasn't saying democracy is impossible in this connection (where you trip and fall) c) you might not know that the politician was positive about the opposition facing Assad at first, having democracy tattooed on his arm, hoping that it would come into fruition, but now has expressed his doubts (which is a legitimate thing to do) z) I have met him twice in person and is a legitimate mention by far working with democracy internationally. As for Japan, they were the most imperialistic nation prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then they became practically pacifist. Maybe we ought to drop the a-bomb on Syria and get peace and democracy too..

#1530998 by Timex (Power User) at 2013-05-16 00:12:15 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

"My question isn't about who's going to resign," Boehner said at a weekly press conference on Capitol Hill. "My question's about who's going to jail."

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 … -jail?lite

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Harvesting body parts from kids...they last longer I assume.

Girl's organs removed after vacation death; family believes they may have been sold

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Her mother Amrit, who is a postal worker, told ITV News: "I said, ‘What is the injection for? She doesn't need an injection she just needs a saline drip for half an hour or 45 minutes.’ He didn't answer me at all he just gave me a blank look and totally ignored me and just inserted the needle into a syringe and as soon as he pushed it in her neck flipped backwards.

"Her eyes rolled over and she turned a grayish-whitish color. She just blinked twice and her mouth was left open."

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 … sold?lite=

Last edited by Timex at 2013-05-16 01:58:01

#1531019 by tidus (Power User) at 2013-05-16 05:44:32 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Exclusive: ‘We Will Slaughter All of Them.’ The Rebel Behind the Syrian Atrocity Video

http://world.time.com/2013/05/14/we-wil … ity-video/

#1531035 by Brainless (Power User) at 2013-05-16 13:32:44 (2 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/0 … ar-old-dad

Daughter trying to evict 91 year old father. This is pure disgraceful

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