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#1378632 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-02-17 09:39:10 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Hey senile duo, this is serious chat about multiculturalism in europe, not a chit chat !

#1378779 by Sargoth (Power User) at 2011-02-17 18:57:52 (2 years ago) - [Report]

http://info.publicintelligence.net/Insp … ry2011.pdf (guide how to become a terrifying terrorist!)

Page 24

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In Sweden, the hero Taimour
Abdulwahab al-Abdaly, may Allah
accept him as a shahd, has fulfilled
his individual duty towards Allah
in an operation that was long
overdue to remind Sweden that its
blasphemy against the Messenger
of Allah; and its participation
in the occupation of Afghanistan
will not go unpunished. It is about
time that the Swedish government
rethinks its position towards Islam
and Muslims before the mujahidin
strike again. Sweden was a nation
that Shaykh Usama mentioned as a
country that the mujahidin do not
intend to strike. But it seems that the
Swedish are too bent on showing
their animosity towards Muslims
and are eager to join the league of
nations that are antagonistic towards
Islam and Muslims. This operation
may serve as a reminder for the
Swedish government and people to
reconsider their position before their
list of crimes against us becomes too
long and it becomes too late.
We say to the kuff;r: The borderless
loyalty is a religious sentiment of the
people in your midst. As long as the
Muslims remain in your focus, you
will remain in ours. No matter the
security precautions you may take,
you cannot kill a borderless idea.

page 58.

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"We as Muslims should seek the wealth of the disbelievers as a form of jihad in the path of Allah.
That would necessitate that we spend the money on the cause of jihad and not on ourselves."

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The Hanafi’s stated that a Muslim is
"permitted" to steal money from the
disbelievers in d;arb but they
didn’t state that there is a reward in
doing so. They related that it is similar
to hunting or wood gathering. In
other words it is similar to making
a living using other halal methods.
However, we as Muslims should
seek the wealth of the disbelievers
as a form of jihad in the path of Allah.
That would necessitate that we
spend the money on the cause of
jihad and not on ourselves.
We do not want such a fatwa to be
misused by Muslims who are not
concerned with jihad and are just
interested in improving their own
lot. The result of wide misuse of such
a fatwa would cause authorities to
restrict Muslims and view them with
suspicion, which would eventually
backfire on the ones who would truly
want to serve the cause through such
a fatwa.
The opinion of the other three
schools of thought: Ibn Hamam in
"Fat; al-Qad;r" says: “The madhab of
al-Shafi'i, Malik and the majority of
scholars is that what an individual
takes by means of theft, it is considered
ghan;mah.”
He then says: “But we and Imam
Ahmad - according to one of two narrations
attributed to him - refuse to
call it ghan;mah because ghan;mah
is what is taken by force and not
through theft or embezzlement. And
since what the thief takes is by means
of deception, then this is considered
as a halal form of sustenance just like
wood gathering or hunting.”
Imam al-Sarkhasi narrates that Imam
al-Shafi'i said: "Ghan;mah is property
that the Muslims seize from the disbelievers
by means of overpowering
them." Imam al-Shafi'i then says: "And
overpowering them includes using
force openly or by deceiving them
secretly since the Messenger of Allah
; said that ‘war is deception’."

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Implications on our present day
work: Every Muslim who lives in d;r
al-&;arb should avoid paying any of
his wealth to the disbelievers whether
it be in the form of taxes, duties, or
fines. If a Muslim is allowed to deceive
the disbelievers to appropriate
their wealth then he is also allowed
to deceive them to avoid paying
them his wealth.

Other pages where interesting too. Seems to me this idea of multiculturism and PC is a perfect way for extremists to gain a foothold, slowly build up their numbers, undermine and destabilize a country from within and gain powerful positions in the governments by using their idea of PC, and mainly ignorance, naivite towards other cultures and ideologies against them. Not to mention the exploitability of the welfare systems. Hate to say it but I think the countries in Europe has unwittingly ended up being a major "income source" when it comes to funding extremist terrorist groups.

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#1383432 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-03-07 18:36:40 (2 years ago) - [Report]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma … ration-row

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German interior minister reopens bitter row over Muslim integrationHans-Peter Friedrich criticised after claiming Islam 'does not belong' in Germany

More and more voices join the choir.
We have elections here in finland in a month and the only party which has risen critical voices about immigration and it's failures is projected to get almost 20% of the votes and it has a chance to become the biggest party. Last election it had 4% of the votes. 5 times more votes in 4 years, thats gotta tell something about the situation and what people think about it.

#1383433 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2011-03-07 18:41:18 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Nice, it's the same thing that brought SD in here in Sweden, they were the only one willing to talk about the issue and thus got a lot of votes. The other parties just kept censoring themselves and SD and tried to be as PC as possible...

#1383907 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2011-03-09 13:04:39 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Snuffsis wrote:

Im a swede with "immigrant background"

..though I consider myself swedish.. Personally I dont like the swedish democrats because they are not just "anti-immigrant" ..for example MP Kent Ekeroth is not someone i can respect..

However I do agree that we need more assimilation and integration..I would like the moderate party(moderaterna) to take a tougher stance on immigration and assimilation. Like banning dual citizenship..making it harder for people to become citizens..with tougher swedish language tests..stop taking in that many immigrants..and focus on the ones we have here..

SD has anti EU views..I think that Europe is way too weak without the EU. in a world with growing powers such as china,russia,india and brazil..EU is a moral compass for the world, never afraid to critize anyone..wether they are saudis/iranians or chinese..or israelis or americans..

Swedish democratic members of parliament are really weird..they have said for example that Zlatan Ibrahimovic is not a swede because of his attitude and his body language..when he was born here..is the captain of the swedish national team..has a swedish wife..only speaks swedish..and has kids with swedish names etc...Also kent ekeroth said that he would use carrots and sticks to make the muslims leave sweden..thats not respectable..

I understand if swedes dont want more immigrants..I dont want more..it will hurt us in the end..(unless they are good scientists ofc :wink

but I cant respect SD

I would really happy if the moderate party took some of SDs immigration policies and made them theirs..not all but some..

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#1383914 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2011-03-09 13:39:42 (2 years ago) - [Report]

I'm a fullborn Swede, so to speak, swedish parents that go back about 200 years (fo real) and i don't care if we get more immigrants, what i do care is the kind of immigrants we get.
It's like denmark, they haven't gotten fewer immigrants than before. However those they have gotten since they changed their policy is "better" in that they work, assimilate and actually takes care of themselves, rather than leech of the welfare.

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#1383917 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-03-09 13:43:59 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Snuffsis wrote:

I'm a fullborn Swede, so to speak, swedish parents that go back about 200 years (fo real) and i don't care if we get more immigrants, what i do care is the kind of immigrants we get.
It's like denmark, they haven't gotten fewer immigrants than before, however those they have gotten since they changed their policy is "better" in that they work, assimilate and actually takes care of themselves, rather than leech of the welfare.

Exactly right. People who are willing to learn,integrate,adapt the culture and take care of themselves are welcome.
Danish example is couraging, learn from the examples your past immigration policy has shown and make arrangements, don't take people from areas which earlier immigrants cause nothing but trouble.
Demand more (it's not racist) from the immigrants, set bars which they have to meet (cetain level of language skills etc.), if not, send them back.

#1383936 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2011-03-09 14:59:08 (2 years ago) - [Report]

I agree with both of you completely. You are very right..America is also a fairly good example of immigration..like taking in legal immigrants but usually only when they have university degrees (master level) or job offer..and teaching them from the start that they are now americans..and part of the american people..(their kids I mean..)

As I said before, had the swedish democrats not been so anti EU and saying things like that about ibrahimovic I would have supported them.. I would like to see the moderate party (the ruling party in sweden) adopt similiar immigrant policies as denmark or take some of the SD policies..

but you cant expect us to support SD :/( if you do expect us that is

) I consider myself swedish. Im a part of the swedish culture. The swedish language is my primary language and the language that I know best. Since I've lived here all my life.. I listen to swedish music etc..dress the same.behave the same..my friends see me as 100% swede..or sometimes 95% ^^ swedish citizen only ofc ^^

I have always considered myself swedish, however when I heard about the swedish democrats policies I was glad at first..but then the deeper I dug..the more I started to back off..like the EU view..like the ibrahimovic views some of them had..

and when MP Kent Ekeroth says that with carrots and sticks we'll make all the muslims leave sweden. Make them realize that they cant live here..then he invites people like robert spencer who speaks out against the scriptures of islam ( I dont care about the scriptures..make no mistake..but I still feel its hateful) and says that all muslims are a threat that follow an inumane religion.

Thats when you start to feel like an outsider..because if Ibrahimovic is not a swede..then im not either by their standards.. And since I have been here all my life, I consider this my home I dont exactly have anywhere else to go

Sweden is everything I know and Everything I love

You feel a bit targeted with the swedish democrats..or atleast some of them..and that leads to some people feeling rootless or outside the society..Even me..who is only different from a swede genetically feel like an outsider in the presence of these people..its when they arrived I started to wonder if Im really part of the "people".

I like petzäll though. He is my neighbour or was.. (swedish democrat member of parliament William Petzäll has practically been my neighbour since forever :p we went to the same schools etc though not at the same time ofc.... his nephew is my friend

went to the same class.

But even he does not back away from some of the hateful language that some of his colleagues use..He could be much more respected if he wants to.

So I agree with you completely about the criteria....but I dont feel SD is the right way to achieve that..I like the moderate party more..or the center party..this is my opinion atleast..and I know that my opinion matters since Im a swedish citizen who votes every 4 years. I dont feel adapted to the swedish society because I have been here since the start..so the swedish society and way of life is a natural part of me..just like a "normal" swede doesnt adapt because he is already adapted since birth

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#1384696 by unknown[53735] at 2011-03-12 01:36:50 (2 years ago) - [Report]

2 years ago Denmark experienced a big wave of harrasment and violence against ethnic minorities, a paper delivery boy was killed only 5 streets away from me by racists, and a party called the future party suggested concentration camps and ethnic cleansing. This kind of behavior among the danes raises alot of questions, a country which has a population of 5 million and started the muhammed crisis, a EU country that breaks Human Rights laws because of its immigration policy. The dane today considers his society in danger due to multi ethnicity, he sees his culture and values to be superior to any others, and blames socio-economic problems and injusticies on ethnic minorities, he talks negatively about these people in a way that appeals to the majorities feelings of fear and despair.

Normal fear about immigrants and the insecurity of immigration is not racist, ie. It's not racist to critize conservative muslims opinion on gayness etc, but what politicians in Denmarks peoples party say is racist and even worse accepted by many so much that statistics show that racism is widespread in Denmark. The only thing this has led to is a bigger separation between the ethnic minorities and the danish people, making integrating more difficult. Many countries have learned from the dane not to point fingers at minorities calling them problems when they have a hard enough time setlling in a country with a way of life that is different to their own. What we see is the true nature of the european man remains unchanged, muslims are just the new jews.

#1384717 by unknown[293451] at 2011-03-12 05:21:20 (2 years ago) - [Report]

arabish wrote:

a country which has a population of 5 million and started the muhammed crisis

The "Muhammed Crisis" was not started by the Danes. A few cartoons were printed in a news paper, and 6th century retards (Muslims) began rioting and "demonstrating" violently. Calling for Denmark to be nuked and the such. This is clearly why Islamic Culture and Western Culture don't mix well. You blame the cartoonists, and not only him but all Danes as well (You gave the figure of 5 million), which clearly shows that you have no reason being in the West too begin with. If you don't like free speech then perhaps you should leave? Also, to blame the Danes (5 million people) for drawings by ONE Dane is beyond ridiculous. Now, the more reasonable people (Westerners) blame those in the streets who rioted over a freaking cartoon the world over causing more 200 deaths.

arabish wrote:

a EU country that breaks Human Rights laws because of its immigration policy.

A Muslim, who surely believes in Sharia Law, is criticizing the Danes for Human Rights abuses for having a stringent immigration policy. Go figure! They can have whatever immigration policy they so choose.

arabish wrote:

The dane today considers his society in danger due to multi ethnicity, he sees his culture and values to be superior to any others

No, I just think they see their culture superior to that of Islamic culture. Rightfully so, IMO. Any culture that derives it's ideology from the 6th century is of course inferior to modern Western Society, to that there is no doubt.

arabish wrote:

making integrating more difficult.

No, the Muslims unwillingness to accept Western values and Western culture is what causes the integration problem. I don't see why it is you seem to think that you get to immigrate to a country and then dictate to that country that decades old laws should be changed, or amended, to better fit your own culture. If you don't like the way things were in a country before you moved there then stay home. 6th century religious zealots are not welcome in the West, at least not among the general population. Get use to it. It's only gonna get worst from here on out.

#1384800 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2011-03-12 13:24:17 (2 years ago) - [Report]

@arabish

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I can't remember if you live here or not, but "the future party" or the Fremskridtspartiet has not been an influential power in Danish politics since the 90ties. They were even bigger -and not that hateful on immigrants when they first launched in the 70ties. The "future party" is not in parliament today, but were ressurected briefly some years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mogens_Glistrup

I know Glistrup have said some crazy things (I won't mention them here), but I've never heard him suggest concentration camps or ethnic cleansing. Never. And that would be considered a very offensive suggestion and possibly illegal under Danish law - considering our struggles during WW2.

The political party in Denmark which is in parliament and in government today -who controls the immigration policy- is the Danish Peoples Party (or Dansk Folkeparti). They are very conservative and radical by Scandinavian standards - and are more clever to hide their disgust for the foreign (my opinion). But they also deserve to be listened to, because they represent a voice in the Danish population that grew out of frustration from the policies of the 90ties.

As for the paper boy and 2 years ago there was a big wave of harrasment.. I'm not following you.

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This kind of behavior among the danes raises alot of questions, a country which has a population of 5 million and started the muhammed crisis, a EU country that breaks Human Rights laws because of its immigration policy.

We didn't start the Muhammad Crisis. You really should read the wiki on that. It narrates in details what happened and why. Basically no one had heard of what was taking place in Denmark until a couple of imams toured the Middle-East badmouthing and lying to get what they wanted - submission of the Danish press and in part the Danish primeminister who they thought controlled the press.

You are incorrect when you say that it is an EU country that breaks Human Rights laws; however the immigration policies this last decade has meant trouble for Denmark - UN conventions has been broken (it just cost our immigration-minister her post) and it has put a shadow over our reputation as a hospitable people.

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The dane today considers his society in danger due to multi ethnicity, he sees his culture and values to be superior to any others, and blames socio-economic problems and injusticies on ethnic minorities, he talks negatively about these people in a way that appeals to the majorities feelings of fear and despair.

Listen that is complete nonsense. If you have been following the news as of late a majority of the Danish population supports a change of government. They support the political parties in opposition to the current government. However there is plenty of good reason to vote for a tough immigration policy. It is not like the current government (been in power for a decade, survived two elections) has survived on empty promises and fearmongering (well, only to an extent). There are a lot of problems with immigrants in the Scandinavian countries. How many people should we take in? What do we do with the ones we have? Why do we have problems with 2nd generation immigrants and crime? We never had to deal with crimes related to honor before. We've never had to deal with crimes related to religion before. The cultural exchange is inevitable in a global society, but how do we deal with violent elements we do not want in our country?

Gone are the 80ties and 90ties where we let people in on good faith. It is time to realize that we do not have the potential to support everyone, but that we need a realistic, but fair immigration policy.

You can't talk about the Dane today as having a one track mind. Not everyone thinks like that. Of course the Danish culture & inheritance takes precedence over the minority cultures in our country. Are you telling me that would be different in other countries?! If we have to have a national identity we have to think as positive as possible about our own culture - which is more than a 1000 years old in our case. You use the term superior and I think you mean that in a negative sense, but it doesn't have to be. I don't know of any Danes, apart from he schmoes in the Danish Nazi-movement, which isn't larger than the Westboro Church really, who think they are superior to the foreigners or tourists or whomever who come here. But maybe I hang out with the wrong crowd..

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Normal fear about immigrants and the insecurity of immigration is not racist, ie. It's not racist to critize conservative muslims opinion on gayness etc, but what politicians in Denmarks peoples party say is racist and even worse accepted by many so much that statistics show that racism is widespread in Denmark.

We have a law in our country which forbids racism. Why haven't people tried that law on the Danish Peoples Party? The thing is that people have taken them to the courts, and it hasn't gone well. What they are doing, saying, as a party isn't racism. Some of them have been tried as individuals however and have received sentences.

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The only thing this has led to is a bigger separation between the ethnic minorities and the danish people, making integrating more difficult. Many countries have learned from the dane not to point fingers at minorities calling them problems when they have a hard enough time setlling in a country with a way of life that is different to their own. What we see is the true nature of the european man remains unchanged, muslims are just the new jews.

Maybe there is some truth in what you are saying at the end. However instead of seeing yourselves as victims, as if all Muslims are targeted, maybe you should look to what begun this whole thing, which was problems with the integration of 2nd generation immigrants. Immigrants are not necessarily some poor peaceful folk who want to live their lives in a Western country, they can be indifferent about the country they live in too and not understanding the culture of the country to which they immigrated.

No one walks free from the blame game.

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#1406095 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-05-31 11:41:08 (2 years ago) - [Report]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne … ;ATTR=News

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IMMIGRANTS make up a THIRD of murder suspects and alleged rapists in a string of areas, shock new figures reveal.

And one in seven of all people accused of these crimes in the UK as a whole is a foreign national.

Data from police forces shows 93 foreign-born suspects were accused of murder last year and 418 faced rape allegations.

Four forces each had 33 per cent of non-UK murder suspects - Kent, Lincolnshire and Tayside and Fife in Scotland. The Met Police recorded the highest rate of non-UK rape suspects at 32 per cent.

Cambridgeshire had an astonishing 57 per cent of murder suspects of foreign origin.

Similar statistics what we have here, norway (oslo area) has the immigrant rape ratio in 90% figures,sweden has very high ratios too, so does germany (berlin).

#1406204 by deviant47 (Power User) at 2011-05-31 16:59:15 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Statistics is really hard to come by here but the majority of the convicts now serving time in Swedish prisons are swedes. The biggest immigrant group in our prison system is the fins. Is what i have read/heard ;p

#1406219 by unknown[445176] at 2011-05-31 18:06:49 (2 years ago) - [Report]

immigration or invasion?

#1406236 by austin2870 Donor

(Power User) at 2011-05-31 19:18:23 (2 years ago) - [Report]

deviant47 wrote:

In the UK the statistics are easily available and the latest statistics show that only 4% of prison inmates are foreign nationals.

The figures in snipers argument focuses on specific crimes (Rape and Murder) so this shows that immigrants to the UK commit a much higher percentage of these specific crimes than other types of crime
Though the figures shown in the article only highlight specific police force areas in the UK so the national average maybe much lower than the 33% figure given, also there is no information on race or nationality of suspects, all the rape suspects could be white europeans from Finland for all we know. Even so, if the figures are accurate it still doesn't look too good.

#1406241 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-05-31 19:44:44 (2 years ago) - [Report]

deviant47 wrote:

Not really.
26% of swedish inmates are non swedish nationalities.
From those who sit long sentences (over 5 years, drug related, murder,killing,rape) abut 50% are non swedish. This doesnt include those immigrants who already have got swedish citizenship.
The figures skyrocket if we count those aswell.
350 finnish nationalities are in prison in sweden (this includes all the immigrants who have finish citizenship, like kurds who run lots of drug related stuff in both lands),just like there are plenty of swedes here.
Organized criminal gangs,drug smugglers etc. who travel in their neighbour countries etc. usuall stuff which was present long before there was immigrants in neither of our countries.

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all the rape suspects could be white europeans from Finland for all we know.

True, but we have clear statistics from norway,finland and sweden where they almost all are arabs or from africa. Ofcourse the situation could be totally different in UK, but I doubt it.

#1406242 by deviant47 (Power User) at 2011-05-31 19:45:42 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Focusing on specific areas is abit strange imo, if you gather all the immigrants in one place ofcourse the % of crimes commited by immigrants will be very high in those areas.

@ sniperfin

Were did you find those statistics from Sweden?

Poverty has a much much larger correlation with crime then nationality ever will and since a much higher % of immigrants are poor and much less likely to find a job the crime statistics also go up.

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#1406257 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-05-31 20:21:51 (2 years ago) - [Report]

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Poverty has a much much larger correlation with crime then nationality ever will and since a much higher % of immigrants are poor and much less likely to find a job the crime statistics also go up.

Even if this would be true, if we know that some people are more likely to end up poor and therefore criminals, shouldn't we try to get more such immigrants who more likely are not to end up poor and therefore criminals ?
A person from africa who can't read and write, comparing to an asian who can and who comes from a culture know to be hard working.
This is what denmark does today, they accept those who don't come from the known problem areas, they let the past expriences guide them.
It's better for denmark and it's better for the immigrants.

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Were did you find those statistics from Sweden?

From a finnish site, I can try to trace the original source, but those are right figures (when we had elections those were presented by our national television political journalist when parties debated about immigration).

#1406263 by djoota Donor

(Power User) at 2011-05-31 20:40:21 (2 years ago) - [Report]

my only fear is that it is already to late, the minorities have already dug themselves in deep to our culture, but for the most part i welcome it, as they spread theirs and embrace ours the culture gets better. But extremeism has gotten a large hold on our culture in more ways than just trying to impose their beleifs, im more concerned with the fear that grips people about it, but doesnt urge them to act.

I live in the countryside in a small town, and now even here we are getting cases of muslim intolerance to the culture of the damn country they live in, preaching hate, planning terrorism, degrading and abusing women, threatening other minorities into subservience in their own community's. Its a disgrace, but i dont see any solution that will keep our dignity intact, we need to go on the offensive and stop bending over.

#1406267 by deviant47 (Power User) at 2011-05-31 20:50:14 (2 years ago) - [Report]

I found a study from BRÅ (Brottsförebyggande rådet) an orginisation that strives to prevent crime. Among other things it shows "risk factors" that increase likelyhood of commiting crimes.

Immigration: 2.5x more common compared to swedish born with swedish parents
Age: age 15-17 2.5x more common compared to people above 41
Sex: 3.5 times more common that males commit crime compared to female
Income: 5,3 times more common for people with low pay compared to people with high pay
People with low education 5,7 times more common then people with higher education
People in families that have needed welfare 6.1x compared to not needing it

Considering that people in the immigrant group are usually also in the other risk groups it seems that ethnicity is a fairly minor factor. And the solution is more about creating jobs and fighting poverty then it is about limiting immigration.

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#1406278 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-05-31 20:56:32 (2 years ago) - [Report]

As I already pointed out, people who come from certain areas are more likely to end up having low education,low income etc.
The ethnity/culture itself is not what causes crimes, but the ethnity leads to such life situation (what was in our list) which then lead to crimes.
In your list low education has 5.7 rate, which means that african who comes here with no education at all (can't even read or write) is almost 6 times more likely to commit a crime.
Denmark has noticed this and changed their immigration policies, we should do the same.

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And the solution is more about creating jobs and fighting poverty then it is about limiting immigration.

creating jobs for people who have no education at all ? When many finns/swedes who have education are unemployed.
And fighting powerty should be done where it is originated, on those countries where the poor people are, to fight powerty by bringing them here is no long term solution, the people from those areas are not gonna reduce in numbers.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
It is a about limiting immigration while we don't have jobs to offer them and they end up living in poverty, that is the whole point, the current system does not work.

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#1406551 by unknown[397565] at 2011-06-01 22:37:40 (2 years ago) - [Report]

90%+ of the crimes in my city are of foreigners (and this is not newspaper bs, this is my own "first hand")

to be even more precise, most of them (certainly 50%+) are of Rumanians, rest are shared between indios mix from Lima, other minor east euripean countries like serbia/albania/moldavia and some chinese.

like 100% of them gives false identity

i believe most do it just cause they're poor fuckers in a fucked up country that's harder than looks on tv... but seems to me some rumanians do it as a life style

#1406678 by alupigus (Lumberjack) at 2011-06-02 13:47:12 (2 years ago) - [Report]

malavoglia wrote:

..... but seems to me some rumanians do it as a life style

You are right.Just take my case.I`m a killer.I kill people for money.You seams to be a nice guy and I like you,if you are interested in...well,I can always offer you a discount. :tease:

...on a serious note.
I can bet that 90% of those troublemakers are not Romanians (or Vlachs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs) but gypsies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people) from Romania,a minority in my country.
They came in my country around 200 years ago,they speak a totally different language and they call themselves Romi or Roma,don`t ask me why because I don`t know.
The majority of them are troublemakers when and if the authorities from my country try to deal with them ,their leaders go straight to EU council and start to complain for discrimination.

#1406680 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2011-06-02 13:49:50 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Same here in Sweden. Damn gypsies doing crazy hilarious things, like living 10 people in a 2 person apartment and never doing any work.

Once i saw a gypsy standing on one of those big carts like IKEA has, that you put furnitures on and shit, but when the guard told her to get off, she was hiding a fucking washing machine under her dress...

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#1406717 by unknown[397565] at 2011-06-02 16:04:50 (2 years ago) - [Report]

alupigus wrote:

malavoglia wrote:

..... but seems to me some rumanians do it as a life style

You are right.Just take my case.I`m a killer.I kill people for money.You seams to be a nice guy and I like you,if you are interested in...well,I can always offer you a discount. :tease:

They're born there and recorded by your nation as citizens...not my fault.
They don't usually kill anybody btw, but they do pretty much all the rest.

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