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#1520152 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-02-09 19:06:03 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

A good column few years back, but still valid,only more cities are included these days.

http://www.torontosun.com/comment/colum … 30946.html


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If you think Amsterdam is the gay capital of Europe, you're half-right, but 10 years out of date. Today it's the gay-bashing capital of Europe.
Because Amsterdam isn't just gay. Now it's Muslim, too. A million Moroccans and Turks have immigrated to the Netherlands, and sharia law rules the streets.
If you doubt it, then you haven't been paying attention. Actually, that's not fair. Gay-bashing is front-page news only when it's committed by a straight, white male.
The media is terribly uncomfortable writing about gay-bashing by minorities. It's the same reason why Canadian feminists are so eerily quiet about honour killings of Muslim girls.


#1520260 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-02-10 16:43:41 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

sniperfin wrote:

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The revolution, as you call it, or the reformation as I called it, must take place within Islam and the problem of understanding the Quran as Allah's word. It is first and foremost a spiritual revolution and not just about access to technology. Access to technology and benefits have not prevented radicalism in Europe.

They one key thing for reformation of a culture (in this case islamic culture) is impowering women, it  has always worked and I have no doubt it would work with islamic culture aswell.
Could be that it requires a spriritual revolution first, or it could be that the spiritual revolution follows the impowerment of women, but never the less imo that is the key.
Thats why extreme muslims are against women getting education. Women who stand for girls getting education and being more independent rather than posession of their husbands/fathers are getting killed,thrown poison at,beaten,etc., even young girls.
They know that when women are impowered, it's over for them.

It is going to be very difficult to turn around. No one seems to be trying, and those that do get tend to get a lot of criticism, so really you have a lot of irreligious muslims on one hand in a sort of no real progress and fanatics on the other. Women empowered would mean a lot, but women/children are at the bottom of the scale. Sexually, culturally and religiously.

"Narrated by Jabir

I was with Allah's Apostle in a Ghazwa, and when we returned, I wanted to hurry, while riding a slow camel. A rider came behind me. I looked back and saw that the rider was Allah's Apostle . He said (to me), "What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, "I am newly married." He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron?" I replied, "(Not a virgin but) a matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl with whom you could play and who could play with you?" Then when we approached (Medina) and were going to enter (it), the Prophet said, "Wait till you enter (your homes) at night (in the first part of the night) so that the ladies with unkempt hair may comb their hair, and those whose husbands have been absent (for a long time) may shave their pubic hair." (The sub-narrator, Hashim said: A reliable narrator told me that the Prophet added in this Hadith: "(Seek to beget) children! Children, O Jabir!")."
[Al Bukhari, 7:62:172]

Texts like these that need to be dealt with and that implicates Jabir and especially Allah's Prophet and the advice he gives..

#1520303 by Arnemes (Power User) at 2013-02-10 20:49:56 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

hOG wrote:

sniperfin wrote:

Quote:

The revolution, as you call it, or the reformation as I called it, must take place within Islam and the problem of understanding the Quran as Allah's word. It is first and foremost a spiritual revolution and not just about access to technology. Access to technology and benefits have not prevented radicalism in Europe.

They one key thing for reformation of a culture (in this case islamic culture) is impowering women, it  has always worked and I have no doubt it would work with islamic culture aswell.
Could be that it requires a spriritual revolution first, or it could be that the spiritual revolution follows the impowerment of women, but never the less imo that is the key.
Thats why extreme muslims are against women getting education. Women who stand for girls getting education and being more independent rather than posession of their husbands/fathers are getting killed,thrown poison at,beaten,etc., even young girls.
They know that when women are impowered, it's over for them.

It is going to be very difficult to turn around. No one seems to be trying, and those that do get tend to get a lot of criticism, so really you have a lot of irreligious muslims on one hand in a sort of no real progress and fanatics on the other. Women empowered would mean a lot, but women/children are at the bottom of the scale. Sexually, culturally and religiously.

Exactly. Going to be hard to change these values when the system works as it does.

Just look at this girl who fled with her mother from Iran because they couldn't stand the oppression.

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When Shirin was fourteen chose her mother to flee Iran with his three teenage daughters. They could not stand the oppression of women practised there in the name of Islam.

But in Malmö they have to his horror experienced the same kind of humiliation.

They harassed by Muslim men and women, who are constantly questioning their dress, their eating habits and their entire lifestyle.

- I call myself a Muslim and believe in God, but I'm not a practising Muslim. I decide how I live my life. No one else will get to foist on me a lifestyle, says Shirin.

http://translate.google.com/translate?s … mp;act=url

#1521622 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-02-20 20:22:18 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

Currently the Turkish EU minister is having talks with bureaucrats from the EU about membership. Parties within Europe as well as the US government have declared that they see Turkey in the European Union. Those in the EU in favor of letting Turkey in are thinking about the revenue it will create in Brussels's direction and the US are thinking in terms of stronger military alliances. But the culture, even if the country is so close to modern Europe and share close history with ancient Europe, seem far removed from western ideals.

For example,the number of women murdered in a year in Turkey shot up 1,400 percent between 2002 and 2009, according to data recently revealed by the country’s justice minister]. Even among immigrants like Germany can this be the case. This mismatch between Turkish and European culture when it comes to equality, honor, political and religious conservatism, hints to the chances of a closer relationship between them, at least when it comes to culture and not money, being very poor and the prospects not good.

#1521630 by Sargoth (Power User) at 2013-02-20 20:48:21 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

I don't know if anyone remembers the Tunisian "subway robber" in Sweden but there has been some attention in the papers and on the tv about it. Turns out since it had alot of attention even internationally, someone in France recognised him during a news report about it on the French news, whom contacted friends in Sweden whom in turn tipped the Swedish police. And now Swedish and French police have tied him to assault and manslaughter in France. After serving his 1.5 year sentence in Sweden he will be handed over to the French authorities. I just wanted to say that it is nice that being non politically correct where not pixelating & hiding the identity of criminals in the media has lead to the multicultural cooperation of authorities and hopefully there will be justice for the grieving families and victims due to this criminal.

#1521804 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-02-21 21:02:26 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

http://www.thelocal.se/46330/20130221/

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Police in Stockholm have been accused of racial profiling on the city's public transit system by targeting "foreign-looking" commuters in an effort to deport illegal immigrants.

#1521806 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-02-21 21:11:21 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

beblebox wrote:

http://www.thelocal.se/46330/20130221/

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Police in Stockholm have been accused of racial profiling on the city's public transit system by targeting "foreign-looking" commuters in an effort to deport illegal immigrants.


:lol:

How else would you spot illegal immigrants than checking those who look like they are not from sweden.
I mean, if I am a police and my job is to find illegal aliens, what is the best way to do my job ?
Ask papers from blonde blue eyed nordic looking people or from those who don't look like the typicall swedish man/woman.
This is similar nonsense as the accused racial profiling of terrorist. The fact is that if you do blind checks, you should blind check those who represent the group which is the high risk group rather than checking a 70 years old couple who are going to golf in hawai.

#1521814 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-02-21 21:44:05 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

Still if I would be approached by one of these cops I would take extra long time for him to check me up just to keep him busy. I also refuse to carry a passport and most often do not carry ID.

My family goes back at least ten generations in Sweden and Norway and I am not blond and do not have blue eyes.

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#1521816 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-02-21 21:56:40 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

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I am not blond and do not have blue eyes.

It wasn't ment to be taken literally, Im not blond either,neither I have blue eyes.

I recon you talk swedish as somebody who is swedish and any reasonable cop would let you go just after talking for a while, no id or passport (which is something I also don't carry with me,only id I have with me is drivers license) necessary.

#1521822 by Arnemes (Power User) at 2013-02-21 22:10:07 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

Don't they get them because they have to prove who they are if they don't have a ticket?

Edit: Read that they stop them because they look high and stuff too according to some.

Last edited by Arnemes at 2013-02-21 22:17:20

#1521913 by Sargoth (Power User) at 2013-02-22 16:42:09 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

sniperfin wrote:

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I am not blond and do not have blue eyes.

It wasn't ment to be taken literally, Im not blond either,neither I have blue eyes.

I recon you talk swedish as somebody who is swedish and any reasonable cop would let you go just after talking for a while, no id or passport (which is something I also don't carry with me,only id I have with me is drivers license) necessary.

How is it in Finland when it comes to ID? I went to the police to renew my ID a few years back and they took biometric info and put it in a chip on the ID-card, I asked them about it and they said that it is not in use yet. I searched for some info about it a few days ago, and I found an article from 2007 or so that said that ID with biometrics information will be mandatory around year 2013 in the European Union and probably other countries as well by the end of the year.

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#1522217 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2013-02-24 22:04:27 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

F that.  I don't want my life story on my id.  As soon as i hit the parking lot after renewal i scratch the shit out of the magnetic strip on it.

#1522577 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-02-27 16:43:27 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

Recently in denmark the criminality of asylumseekers has been risen so high that the danish police now has to put every shoplifter to the police jail to prevent them doing multiple crimes all the time.
Statistics revealed 24.2.2013 revelaed that 813 asylum seekers committed one or more crimes.
The number equals 25% of asylum seekers.


http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2013/02/25/200705.htm


On the other news, a "17" year old asylum seeker in finland:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8229/musa17v.jpg

It's great when they have no papers and they can claim to be minors and are tapped into their forehead by our social worker women.

Last edited by sniperfin at 2013-02-27 16:46:04

#1522582 by Arnemes (Power User) at 2013-02-27 17:20:51 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

sniperfin wrote:

Recently in denmark the criminality of asylumseekers has been risen so high that the danish police now has to put every shoplifter to the police jail to prevent them doing multiple crimes all the time.
Statistics revealed 24.2.2013 revelaed that 813 asylum seekers committed one or more crimes.
The number equals 25% of asylum seekers.


http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2013/02/25/200705.htm


On the other news, a "17" year old asylum seeker in finland:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8229/musa17v.jpg

It's great when they have no papers and they can claim to be minors and are tapped into their forehead by our social worker women.

One of the big arguments in Sweden is that we should control these "minors" age better with the argument that they do just that in the other Scandinavian countries. If they granted him asylum as a 17-year old. I don't think that these arguments are valid.

Why can't they not just kick these criminals out of the country? If they can put people into jail after the third trip in the US, it shouldn't be a problem to just kick their ugly asses back to where they came from. Just ruining it for everyone and costs a shitload of money.

#1522602 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-02-27 18:59:33 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

"Moroccan children adopted by Spanish families must remain culturally and religiously Muslim". More evidence of "culture-war" between West and ME/North-African culture.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3595/ … tion-islam

Turkey is in on it as well: http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 … 68395.html

sniperfin wrote:

Recently in denmark the criminality of asylumseekers has been risen so high that the danish police now has to put every shoplifter to the police jail to prevent them doing multiple crimes all the time.
Statistics revealed 24.2.2013 revelaed that 813 asylum seekers committed one or more crimes.
The number equals 25% of asylum seekers.


http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2013/02/25/200705.htm

Great news indeed.. This has happened, because the center-left government has loosened the rules for asylum. Less registration and more opportunity for them to move around etc. Each asylum seeker costs 210.000 DKr (~$37.000) a year.

//edited: article aboot adoption from North Africa and Turkey.

Last edited by hOG at 2013-02-27 19:52:13

#1522617 by Arnemes (Power User) at 2013-02-27 20:20:56 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

hOG wrote:


Turkey is in on it as well: http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 … 68395.html

Yet another reason to not let Turkey into the EU.

#1522620 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2013-02-27 20:26:50 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

Arnemes wrote:

hOG wrote:


Turkey is in on it as well: http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 … 68395.html

Yet another reason to not let Turkey into the EU.

Turkey is joining the EU whether you like it or not. There would be no greater feather in the cap of the hyper liberals running the Eu than to have a Muslim country in it, such sophistication on their parts.

#1522664 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-02-28 05:21:01 (5 months ago) - [Report]Top

sniperfin wrote:

On the other news, a "17" year old asylum seeker in finland:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8229/musa17v.jpg

It's great when they have no papers and they can claim to be minors and are tapped into their forehead by our social worker women.

on that picture
:rofl:

However in Sweden it comes from 1-3000 of these kids a year which is statistically next to nothing. Chance to stay gains from 10%(normal asylum seeker) to 70% on average.

(source)

It is really small numbers if you compare to how much other stuff that is going on. They also get a much better situation with ability to free schools and therefore probably chances are less to commit a crime. Just imagine what this poor person has lived through before coming to this situation.

If I personally would end up in their situation I would do the same or if that would not work marry a fat chick.

#1522719 by mselo4ever4 (User) at 2013-02-28 16:46:07 (4 months ago) - [Report]Top

You do want such people, becauee they work in every position, they are willing to work in the hardest/worst jobs/positions, as they lost everything and cant go back to their home country, meanwhile you can go visit their countries, see new places, have fun, get drugs for low prices, and do Thesis/researches on people their , just pathetic.

#1522757 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-02-28 21:08:04 (4 months ago) - [Report]Top

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Just imagine what this poor person has lived through before coming to this situation.

If I personally would end up in their situation

And there lies the problem. A normal person would be thankfull to be in a place where is no war and where he/she is not in danger all the time. He/she would do the effort and build his/hers life so that he also would be in the position to legally obtain things he/she wants.
Must be cultural, I would not have a " I don't give a shit" attitude towards a society which had potentially saved my life.
Your misery (past or recent) is not an excuse for your causing misery to others,nope, that is totally wrong attitude.
And if that is how things are (we know that their past cause them to rape and do crimes), then we should close our borders for good for such people.

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You do want such people, becauee they work in every position, they are willing to work in the hardest/worst jobs/positions,

Not true, for example somali unemployment rate here is over 50% and it will stay high forever, since their women are baby making machines who are not working at all. Only few super westernized do, but most of those have left their somali community and became full western women.

Last edited by sniperfin at 2013-02-28 21:09:31

#1522790 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2013-03-01 00:10:31 (4 months ago) - [Report]Top

Reading through this thread, I've come to the conclusion that sniperfin is a republican.

#1522798 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-03-01 01:24:12 (4 months ago) - [Report]Top

mbodnar wrote:

Reading through this thread, I've come to the conclusion that sniperfin is a republican.

Im not,but if a party which I disagree on many things have ideas which I support, I support their effort on realising those ideas (something which actually is a total opposite of how republicans in usa do things).
I am against the current totally unresponsible immigration politics which happen in most european countries. I am pro immigration when those who immigrate do it as wanting to become active productive member of the society they immigrate to and respect the society they immigrate to. Making their own future, with the help of us, but not such way that they are not totally dependant on us providing. Help getting started,getting education and learning the language etc., but not getting huge flatscreen television and the best brand clothes just because they want to have it all right now.

#1522811 by Benz (Power User) at 2013-03-01 03:22:19 (4 months ago) - [Report]Top

Subject: Muslims are not happy
They’re not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
So, where are they happy?
They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!
And whom do they blame?
Not Islam...
Not their leadership...
Not themselves...
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN
And they want to change the countries they're happy in,
to be like the countries they came from,
where they were unhappy.
Try to find logic in that !
Happy or unhappy???

#1522814 by Belnick (Power User) at 2013-03-01 04:16:14 (4 months ago) - [Report]Top

why cant we send them all to Dubai, same language same(edit wrote sane instead of same first, LOL) religion, same law and they need lots of workers as they are buildings everything

wait, that means they need to work instead of sitting home and cash in 2200 euro each month

what would you choose? free money or working for it ?
the people can't do a thing unless we topple the government
I wish we had the constitution of united states because our government is corrupt as hell

Last edited by Belnick at 2013-03-01 04:21:44

#1522820 by mselo4ever4 (User) at 2013-03-01 07:13:05 (4 months ago) - [Report]Top

Benz wrote:

Subject: Muslims are not happy
They’re not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
So, where are they happy?
They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway
They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!
And whom do they blame?
Not Islam...
Not their leadership...
Not themselves...
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN
And they want to change the countries they're happy in,
to be like the countries they came from,
where they were unhappy.
Try to find logic in that !
Happy or unhappy???

They do blame their leadership, who are all assigned by westeren conutries, for Example Saudi Arabia, if a democratic rejime come to Saudi Arabia then all you western countreis are fucked up, because they just wint give you Oil as easy as it is now, thats why you support their rejime,  you can hate Islam but people are not happy in all developing / 3rd world countries, are people happy in Argentina ? In Madghashqar? In Thailand? In Russia? North Korea? In Cuba? Mexico? You blame Islam for that too?
 

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