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#1517741 by Arnemes (Power User) at 2013-01-24 13:55:25 (6 months ago) - [Report]

mbodnar wrote:

Turkish men are freakish pervs who mentally undress your woman while you're standing right there. God knows how they'd act if she were alone. Take a red haired blue eyed woman there, even to a nice resort that is supposed to western friendly, and you'll see what i mean real quick. I'd sooner let a wife/daughter travel in Kabul than Cappadocia.

The nice resorts acctualy work(alteast according to my sister who was there a couple of years ago).
You know why? They are banning all Turkish men from the bars etc ^^

#1517751 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-01-24 14:34:49 (6 months ago) - [Report]

We have rape statistics according to ethnicity here as well (from 2010):

http://www.bt.dk/danmark/hveranden-voldtaegtsdoemt-er-udlaending wrote:

Every second person convicted of rape is a foreigner

Iraqis, Iranians, Turks and Somalis are heavily overrepresented in rape convictions in Denmark.

More than every other time the judicial system in 2010 found perpetrators guilty of rape, the guilty was an immigrant or a decendant official numbers from Denmark's Statistics specify.

Specifically 32 with a Danish background were in 2010 convicted of rape, whereas 27 immigrants and 7 descendants of immigrants, totaling 34th were convicted.

Shocking

Considering convictions over the past seven years, more than one out of three convicted rapes have been commited by an immigrant or descendant - specifically 156 of the 450 offenders since 2004 have had an immigrant background.

As immigrants and their descendants accounts for barely ten percent of the Danish population - three times the number of foreigners are being convicted of rape in comparison with the number of ethnic Danes. Chairman of the Parliamentary Legal Committee, SF Karina Lorentzen, finds the numbers shocking.

- It's really worrying that immigrants and refugees are so over-represented among those convicted of rape in relation to people with a Danish background.

One rape is one too many. Now I do not know whether the victims are Danish girls, but there is an indication that there are some immigrants, who have not understood that a girl who wears a short summer dress here in Denmark, is not the same as an invitation to sex.

We should consider implementing mandatory courses on Danish sexual morality for immigrants and refugees, when they come to Denmark, she says.

However the Radical Left's spokesman, Jeppe Mikkelsen, argues it will take a long integration effort to stop the problem.

According to senior researcher Karin Helweg-Larsen at the National Institute of Public Health, who has researched abuse for many years, there may be many reasons for why there are more immigrants among those convicted of rape than people with an ethnic background.

- Judges can have an unconscious tendency to exonerate the nice rich boys, whereas he comes down hard on the young boy from Nørrebro [hOGedit: Inglewood].

Danish girls must learn

And then Danish girls must also learn that one behaves differently when it comes to people of different cultures, says senior researcher Karin Helweg-Larsen.

@beblebox

It seems I aimed too high when it comes to reported rape in DK - in 2009 it was 418 reported rapes for example. I haven't looked up Norway, but I'm willing to bet it is around the same or lower, not higher than DK or Sweden. Probably comparable to Finland. 418 was the official number for 2009. You can find much higher numbers, guesses (educated or not) here:

http://www.b.dk/danmark/voldtaegter-i-danmark

http://www.dkr.dk/offerunders%C3%B8gelse-2011 (research done on theory of "dark numbers" from Danish version of Brå, but still with no consideration to ethnicity)

#1518077 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-01-25 19:04:21 (6 months ago) - [Report]

@hOG

As stated before the actual number of rapes getting reported to the police makes up 26% of the total number according to The Swedish governments statistics. So in this case it is to low. Also there has bin campaigns towards reporting rapes during the last ten years and you can now report someone if you regret sleeping them the day after as rape. Like the immigrant Julian Assange that had sex with two girls and didn’t tell them about each other and also didn’t wear a condom is one example of this new law.

Also that book provided SOU 2006:30 " Is the justice just?" states that if you are a first or second generation immigrant you will almost have a 100% higher risk of getting convicted based on statistics of how many that gets accused of a crime and whom gets convicted. That is the double.

Also here is a database with most published governmental documents for research. In this database there is there is about 1500 published convictions with the word rape in Swedish (våldtäkt) written in plain text. A twitter user named @researchgruppen decided to publish the names of the people getting convited for statistical research.
http://research.nu/privat/valdtakt/listan.php

So statistically the highest chance is that your rapist has one of these names.
Rank Name
1 ANDREAS
2 MIKAEL
3 DANIEL
4 ROBERT
5 STEFAN
6 SEBASTIAN
7 MARCUS
8 JIMMY
9 JOHAN
10 MAGNUS
11 ROBIN
12 JOAKIM
13 FREDRIK
14 DAVID
15 MATS
16 THOMAS
17 PETER
18 ALEXANDER
19 MATTIAS
20 BJÖRN

Not a single immigrant on the top 20 according to the research group

http://research.nu/privat/valdtakt/

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As a personal reflection. I read most of the rape judgments given in all the country's courts. I read most of the judgments dealing with serious crimes. I see that there is a big difference in the reality of the racist bloggers describe and the sentences I read. Should we believe the rightwinged muppets there is an ongoing warfare in which immigrants are out looking Swedish girls to rape. When I read the judgments, it is very unusual "foreign" to the accused and "Swedish" plaintiffs. Immigrants do just like Swedes, rapes in the neighborhood. Someone you know.

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#1518095 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-01-25 20:27:48 (6 months ago) - [Report]

@beblebox

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As stated before the actual number of rapes getting reported to the police makes up 26% of the total number according to The Swedish governments statistics. So in this case it is to low. Also there has bin campaigns towards reporting rapes during the last ten years and you can now report someone if you regret sleeping them the day after as rape. Like the immigrant Julian Assange that had sex with two girls and didn’t tell them about each other and also didn’t wear a condom is one example of this new law.

It would be better if you quoted the law instead. But as mentioned, the new laws in Sweden that were implemented beginning in 2005, only explains SOME of the rise in rape statistics in Sweden (as quoted by local.se). The actual rape reports based on official government numbers were already high prior to 2005, as W.H.O. were out with their warning, yet could only provide an incomprehensible explanation of why that was the case (oh.. it is because of.. uh.. gender equality).

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Also that book provided SOU 2006:30 " Is the justice just?" states that if you are a first or second generation immigrant you will almost have a 100% higher risk of getting convicted based on statistics of how many that gets accused of a crime and whom gets convicted. That is the double.

A double standard?? That is the same racist argument that the senior researcher I quoted in the article about rape and foreigners in DK said. Does that mean that 1st and 2nd generation immigrants didn't rape anyway then and they are being targeted and convicted on zero evidence, and instead on the prejudice of the justice system?

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Also here is a database with most published governmental documents for research. In this database there is there is about 1500 published convictions with the word rape in Swedish (våldtäkt) written in plain text. A twitter user named @researchgruppen decided to publish the names of the people getting convited for statistical research.
http://research.nu/privat/valdtakt/listan.php

So statistically the highest chance is that your rapist has one of these names.

If you brought up a statistic on most popular names in DK given to infants you wouldn't find a "foreign name" either until much later down the list, this in spite of the fact that immigrants from non-western countries have more children on average than ethnic couples do. But there are more ethnic Danes, and they have children as well, and -Muslims- "only" amount to around 10% of the population.
You argue that the database is based on 1500 published convictions, which is limited considering the number is much higher. Also, I'm not sure whether those 1500 cover entire of Sweden, what year, etc.

On this list I see Muslim names (Arabic, Somalian for example), I see Finnish names (Timmo eg.), I see Slavic names and I also see some SA names. I also see girls names, so this list must be based on a database from after the laws were changed in 2005! But on that list the Muhammads, the Jamals, the Samikhs are overwhelming, in my opinion. So honestly how is that an argument in your favor? Also a question, considering that both Finland, Norway and Denmark have had problems with immigrants and rape and can effectively prove they have, I believe, why shouldn't Sweden also have this problem ??? Isn't this the old case of typical Swedish pride..

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall

#1518100 by Arnemes (Power User) at 2013-01-25 21:19:18 (6 months ago) - [Report]

beblebox wrote:

http://research.nu/privat/valdtakt/listan.php

You whine about my post about a nazi website and post an extreme leftist one yourself?

EDIT: don't have the time to check your facts atm but as you can see, he failed quite hard earlier as proven here in this thread https://www.flashback.org/t2064820 (sorry to all non swedish speaking ppl)

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#1518115 by Belnick (Power User) at 2013-01-25 22:33:32 (6 months ago) - [Report]

beblebox wrote:

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the most common name in swedish prisons is Mohammed and other names based on mohammed like mohamoud mohamed etc...

that BS list you posted is made by an AFA activist and the AFA group is know as terrorists sympathizers so whatever anyone from AFA say is a lie

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#1518118 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-01-25 22:42:54 (6 months ago) - [Report]

hOG wrote:

I did read 75% the book though. I still claim that most criminal statistic can be explained by socio-economical. That book was a governmental study and it does suggest that immigrants might be treated unjust in the court.

I think that we are all humans and most people are honest. Some might be forced to be dishonest in some cases and some might just be mentally ill. But I do not and will not ever think it has with genetics.

The whole village raises the child.

hOG wrote:

But on that list the Muhammads, the Jamals, the Samikhs are overwhelming, in my opinion. So honestly how is that an argument in your favor? Also a question, considering that both Finland, Norway and Denmark have had problems with immigrants and rape and can effectively prove they have, I believe, why shouldn't Sweden also have this problem ??? Isn't this the old case of typical Swedish pride..

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall

Quoting the bible?

I can admit being obnoxious, cynical and rabid but who isn’t in this day and age?

You could also say that Muhammad, Mohammed and Mehammed is different types of spelling. Or the fact that the guy that is in charge of http://www.piscatus.se/ that is the source was a part of the evil jew-funded Strix-AFA-Aftonbladet co-operation that is Expo. Also on the board is the evil him self Robert Aschberg whom not only has worked at Expo but also Aftonbladet, TV3, Kanal5 and has bin leading Big Brother Sweden. He is also a revolutionary communist and got kicked out of his school in the states back in the 70s for refusing to cut his hair.

In other news (when we are at Muslim states and what you all are so afraid of that it will happen) there is a new organisation in Egypt rising against the new Muslim leadership BLACK BLOC EGYPT After releasing that video the anarchists gathered the day after and marched through the city.

Seems like they don’t have a nationalistic movement protecting the country but anarchists that will hide people getting opressed by the government. Just like in Sweden with the ingen illegal network.

Read more at AFA-Swedens real newspaper motkraft Also there is a picture from it.

Seems like the anti-fascists are fighting fascism everywhere. Does not matter if it is religious or nationalistic.

Arnemes wrote:

You whine about my post about a nazi website and post an extreme leftist one yourself?

EDIT: don't have the time to check your facts atm but as you can see, he failed quite hard as proven here in this thread https://www.flashback.org/t2064820 (sorry to all non swedish speaking ppl

I do support the anarchists and Expo. Back when NSF was riding around photographing us having home-pages where they published pictures of us and asked for our names for their of whom that was going to get shot first in the race-war expo and AFA was the only ones protecting us. Police did absolutely nothing.

Just like you are reading the flashback and probably have read the Swedish Nazi newspaper Realisten. Where Breivik now is considered a hero for shooting all those kids.

That link is about another publisher that got inspiration of the former person and used the same source to find things. But yes. I am extreme leftish and some times I will quote them. But my flag has both black and red in it. Both freedom and equality. If you look in the other thread I have quoted the Nazis statistics as well. I did not mind that you found those numbers but I am allowed to point at the source just as you are doing now.

He tried a different approach though trying to see how many that is in prison right now of different names.

And just because someone saying that he messed up at flashback does not mean that it is true. Flashback is a haven for former NSF activists now going under the name SvP. They also linked to http://www.info14.com/2009-08-18-batong … strix.html about that guy. Info 14. "14 words Heil Hitler". The nazis are still there. At flashback mingling with SD. I just want to puke!

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#1518125 by Belnick (Power User) at 2013-01-25 22:53:00 (6 months ago) - [Report]

If I would choose side, Terrorist(AFA) or Nationalists like SD(which you claim are racist) I would pick SD every time.
Terrorist and their sympathizers should all be nuked.
Expo is in the same group with AFA, support terrorists, both with money and media.
Aftonbladet, Expressen and Kvällsposten are all tabloids that write a lot of BS and very very few news and censor a lot and are also anti-semitist.

You should stop using "source material" from donald duck mags

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Flashback is a simple forum, it is the biggest in Sweden(731 332 members currently) and server is located in USA so Swedish citizens freely can use freedom of speech.
I guess they don't agree with your point of view and must be neo-nazi then ahahaha

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#1518127 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-01-25 23:05:03 (6 months ago) - [Report]

Belnick wrote:

_if_ you compare to how many people that has a citizenship in Sweden that has that name as a first name with how many that has both both first and last name in prison. Nazis at flashback playing with the numbers until they prove what they want. And not even in the funny Douglas Adams way.

Not if you only compare names and most definitely not if you only compare the ones that only has that name as a first name. Or what was your source?

AFA is not like SvP. AFA exists in Sweden to fight fascism. And Egypt to stop muslims. It was not a matter if you pick SD or AFA. You have to pick between SvP or AFA. Six millon more? I will never support fascists of any kind. No Matter if it is Stalin or Hitler.

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I guess they don't agree with your point of view and must be neo-nazi then ahahaha"

No but you can not say that SvP supporters do not hang there? At flashback my thing would have bin deleted by the moderators now for being left-winged (as they have). Freedom of speak at flashback my ass! I left flashback in 2004. I did support them from 98 to 04.

Also I don't claim that SD is nazis. They are the politically correct xenophobics. The founders are however Nazis and their platform was built by nazis. They are not Nazis but when they are reading on flashback they will read Nazi words as well.

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#1518128 by Belnick (Power User) at 2013-01-25 23:10:47 (6 months ago) - [Report]

beblebox wrote:

Belnick wrote:

No AFA are criminals who attack our government.

yes lets compare, you make a list of how many Swedish citizens that are third gen who live in Sweden and then compare the crime % with the first and second generation immigration to the pop

but according to ppl like you, if immigrants do 5000 crimes, and then Swedish citizens does 5000 crimes is the same thing.

you forget that the Swedish citizens are a few millions ! more.
ppl like you are often banned because they are morons(not saying that what the reason you "left" or that you are moron)
This is what i see when you write:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgrwQA-qM54

just typical left wing/expo/AFA, would rather save an unknown stranger than his own mother.....

this is AFA......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsNfR5Zy … 787F5C6D1E

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#1518130 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-01-25 23:18:19 (6 months ago) - [Report]

@Belnick
No now you are putting words in my mouth. What I claim is here:
http://www.torrentbytes.net/forum_view … amp;page=5

Edit: And please somewhere in between your insults please bring something real to the subject and enlighten me. Because what I read in your texts is that when there is a lack of arguments the insults comes.

Let me guess. You are going to save the world against these "terrorists"? I am not a member of AFA. I have supported them from time to time and they have saved me as well. But it was not muslims that attacked me.

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#1518138 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-01-26 00:05:06 (6 months ago) - [Report]

@beblebox

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I still claim that most criminal statistic can be explained by socio-economical.

This reminded me of a comic, hope you get why..

http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20100926.gif

#1518148 by TheBlues (Power User) at 2013-01-26 01:46:46 (6 months ago) - [Report]

hOG wrote:

This reminded me of a comic, hope you get why..

http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20100926.gif

I believe you missed the point of that comic.

The point being that locking up criminals is a futile endeavor if you don't analyze why people turn to crime. Punching criminals in the face is treating a symptom and not a problem, of course some pople do need to be locked up.
Just look at the crime/prison statistics between different countries, surely these differences can't be accounted by chance alone? There's are societal forces that make people surrender to temptation of crime.

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#1518151 by Arnemes (Power User) at 2013-01-26 03:08:19 (6 months ago) - [Report]

beblebox wrote:

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I guess they don't agree with your point of view and must be neo-nazi then ahahaha"

Only things that's getting deleted these days are off topic comments and trolls. Why do you still read in the somali threads then btw?

Also, have you found any real evidence that BRÅ is using some fake study as a source in 2005:17? Still curious about that

EDIT: Just read that there where about 6500 women raped in Sweden 2011. The most common name on your list had 35

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#1518158 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-01-26 04:30:21 (6 months ago) - [Report]

Arnemes wrote:

Only things that's getting deleted these days are off topic comments and trolls. Why do you still read in the somali threads then btw?

Continue to believe that. Its all good in the end. I googled about it since people do not riot about nothing.

Arnemes wrote:

Also, have you found any real evidence that BRÅ is using some fake study as a source in 2005:17? Still curious about that

The numbers are not if a immigrant is over represented in the crime. But she had compared a bunch of cases and what the numbers are proving is that immigrants more often gets convicted of the crime they are accused of and that is what those numbers are about. Read the book instead it is less than 300 pages. They quote a whole bunch of people in it. They also say that Swedish people more often pledge guilty so that is also a factor. But still they prove that first and second generation immigrants gets discriminated in the court system.

You have the picture. 1 is how often Swedish people gets convicted for the crime they are accused of. We all read the numbers differently. Statistics are like a bikini they show a lot but hides the most important bit. You can not take my second hand reading or the Nazi one for granted. We both have an agenda, do not believe everything you read.

Arnemes wrote:

EDIT: Just read that there where almost 9000 rapes in Sweden 2011. The most common name on your list had 35

Yes that list is made with 1500 convictions. Do you think every rapist gets convicted in Sweden? I think it is only the immigrants and I have the numbers to prove it (thank you

).

If A Swedish rapes an immigrant it is a lot lesser chance of getting a conviction compared to when a immigrant rapes a Swedish girl and if you take other factors like immigrant raping immigrant or Swede raping Swede you can see that immigrants are not as trusted by the court. Blind justice, my ass. It is all there in black and white.

@hOG
I liked that comic. =)

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#1518180 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-01-26 11:18:49 (6 months ago) - [Report]

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I still claim that most criminal statistic can be explained by socio-economical.

If we accept this, then I must raise the question, why must we take hordes of people into our countries, people who end up into the socio economical low and have a high risk to become criminals. I mean, it's pretty clear that people who can barely read and write and are bound by their religion are most likely end up in the bottom of socio-economical ladder.
Is it somekind of white mans burden which forces us to have our doors open for everybody.

#1518182 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-01-26 11:36:29 (6 months ago) - [Report]

@ThaBlues

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Some look at Kurt Westergaard's Muhammad cartoon and see Muhammad being mocked, because he has a bomb in his turban, and that's it, whereas others see a deeper meaning, where Muhammad is being used by some followers of Muhammad to blow themselves up in their prophet's name. So a criticism of fundamentalism Islam.

I don't disagree necessarily with you on those points you made above.

However I don't believe I missed a point even if the author's intention is as you say - art is open to interpretation, even comics, as is humor as we laugh at different things. So lets instead talk about intent, why I linked to it.

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Just look at the crime/prison statistics between different countries, surely these differences can't be accounted by chance alone? There's are societal forces that make people surrender to temptation of crime.

You are both telling us it is more complex than "bad guy = punch", that there are socio-economical factors, reasons for why non-ethnic Swedes surrender to crime such as rape. That's the first explanation in the comic that is given to the Superhero, socio-economical factors, who must then go elsewhere, to the "bastards" that don't pay him enough, etc. - in other words at first we are led to believe that there exists -a hierarchy of explanations-. However guilt and responsibility cannot be found within each of these explanations by our Superhero, because there is always a higher ranking explanation. One explanation invite another explanation and so no solution to the actual problem, which the criminal poses (in the comic to the old lady). Until finally he is told about the hidden variables of chaos theory and that to make an educated guess what they are, he has to study a bunch of things. Instead of choosing the path of infinite explanations, which chaos theory with the hidden variables invite him to do and the fields of physics, history, philosophy etc. invite him to peruse, he chooses to return to the simple solution of punching out the criminal and thus saving many future old ladies.

A simple solution we can all understand and the only solution to (not explanation of) crime.

@beblebox

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Might? So there are other theories?
Your government published a study in 2005, which concluded that it came down harder on non-ethnic rapists in Sweden than ethnic ones is what you are saying. Unjust would mean that the evidence does not meet the sentence.

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I think that we are all humans and most people are honest. Some might be forced to be dishonest in some cases and some might just be mentally ill. But I do not and will not ever think it has with genetics.

Did I say that?? It has to do with culture first and foremost.

The religion of Islam, because it is constructed the way it is, plays a huge role also. So culture and religion. Culture is difficult to define and difficult to conceptualize, but look at this:

http://thelinkbetween.files.wordpress.c … ulture.gif

What affects culture is different from country to country, even locally, but religion plays a dominant role.

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The whole village raises the child.

To an extent, yes.
But in a modern society the "child" makes its own decisions and is responsible for its own decisions according to the law.

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You could also say that Muhammad, Mohammed and Mehammed is different types of spelling. Or the fact that the guy that is in charge of http://www.piscatus.se/ that is the source was a part of the evil jew-funded Strix-AFA-Aftonbladet co-operation that is Expo. Also on the board is the evil him self Robert Aschberg whom not only has worked at Expo but also Aftonbladet, TV3, Kanal5 and has bin leading Big Brother Sweden. He is also a revolutionary communist and got kicked out of his school in the states back in the 70s for refusing to cut his hair.

But I didn't

Considering that both Finland, Norway and Denmark have had problems with immigrants and rape and can effectively prove they have, I believe, why shouldn't Sweden also have this problem???

#1518399 by itella (Power User) at 2013-01-28 15:11:02 (6 months ago) - [Report]

I didn't know pirates were so full of shit...
The people at my workplace never fail to mention if a 'nigger' even walks past the building... Now i'm getting the same feeling from you guys

#1518505 by lol2k345 Donor

(Power User) at 2013-01-29 10:32:02 (5 months ago) - [Report]

itella wrote:

I didn't know pirates were so full of shit...
The people at my workplace never fail to mention if a 'nigger' even walks past the building... Now i'm getting the same feeling from you guys

Ignoring social problems is what got us into this mess to start with. In order to find a solution, all posibilites must be explored and discussed. Put our flowers back in your bag and face the truth, I for one am amused by how much intelligence floats around in pirateland.

#1518527 by itella (Power User) at 2013-01-29 14:43:19 (5 months ago) - [Report]

lol2k345 wrote:

itella wrote:

I didn't know pirates were so full of shit...
The people at my workplace never fail to mention if a 'nigger' even walks past the building... Now i'm getting the same feeling from you guys

We live in an open capitalistic society. People can move around and immigrate much more freely than in North Korea, for example. Blaming immigrants for raping all our women and stealing our jobs is hardly solving any problems and isn't even true. It's just someone trying to move the attention away from bigger problems.

You guys should move to Belarus. I'm sure they don't have any 'multicultural' problems.

#1518530 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-01-29 14:48:05 (5 months ago) - [Report]

http://www.expressen.se/kvp/atta-ar-i-f … -pa-maria/

Brother (16 ) killed his sister (19 ) by stabbing her with knife and scissors over 100 times.
Sister came back to sweden from iran where she was sent to force marry. She left her marriage and returned to sweden where she was honor murded by her brother.
Who could have imagined 20 years ago that these kind of news are starting to be pretty common here in scandinavia ?
It's not directly islamic thing (the honor killing thing is more old and a tribal thing), but it is directly tied to islam where the position of woman not only keeps this kind of tradition alive, but also encourages it.
The funny thing is that the most loud islam supporters are the leftist feminists who see the evil in white western men (thats the root of evil for them)and are so gullible to fall into more exotic men. But fail to understand that it's us western white men who are the only ones who actually treat them as equals when you check the big picture.

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Blaming immigrants for raping all our women and stealing our jobs is hardly solving any problems and isn't even true.

Creating strawmen and beating them is hardly any argument.
We have provided facts (statistic) which clearly show overrepresentation in crimes (where rapes are one issue being hugely overrepresented), please address those facts and show how they are not true.
Also we have represented ways to solve the problem (the problem of raping and criminality in generl), we must be more carefull with our immigration policy and choose people from the cultures (and areas) which have shown that people from there integrate and accept how things are done here rather than isolate themselves not ever becoming part of the society, or in the worst case became enemies of the society (which can be seen with radical young muslims all over the europe).

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#1518655 by Belnick (Power User) at 2013-01-30 06:23:22 (5 months ago) - [Report]

itella wrote:

I didn't know pirates were so full of shit...
The people at my workplace never fail to mention if a 'nigger' even walks past the building... Now i'm getting the same feeling from you guys

lol let me guess, you are one of those that think negro and nigger is the same word ?, like the Swedish media :lol:

we will see if you feel the same way when three or four rapes you(they don't care if you are a man, it is only homosexual if you are being penetrated, not the other way around.....) or your mother is gangraped.
It changes perspective when it happens to ones self or the ppl you care for.

I doubt Elin Krantz(beware if you google, corpse pictures) parents want open borders......

#1518659 by itella (Power User) at 2013-01-30 14:49:16 (5 months ago) - [Report]

Sorry? What?

I'm talking with a teenager who's afraid of getting gangraped by a gang of black men?

Sorry I ever posted in your topic....

#1518663 by Belnick (Power User) at 2013-01-30 15:23:33 (5 months ago) - [Report]

itella wrote:

Sorry? What?

I'm talking with a teenager who's afraid of getting gangraped by a gang of black men?

Sorry I ever posted in your topic....

lol another leftist conspiracy nut

go ahead and live in your dreams, when reality hits you, welcome back

#1518694 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-01-30 17:30:34 (5 months ago) - [Report]

Belnick wrote:

I doubt Elin Krantz(beware if you google, corpse pictures) parents want open borders......

Now you are being very ignorant against her parents and her family. They have urged the internets not to make her a martyr. They have actively claimed that they do support immigration and that they do not see the murder of their own child as a racial issue.

hOG wrote:

Yes exactly. There is many theories in that study and they quote many scientists. It is not only rapists a immigrant witness also gets less trust and so on.

sniperfin wrote:

Valid question. How ever we can not ask this question without checking up some numbers. But first let us philosophise a little bit about the subject.

There is many type of immigrants and refugees coming to Europe every year. Some might be criticising their former state and therefore might be a threat and risk getting killed. Some might be engineers that has gotten a job offer they can not refuse. Others might be family's in Somalia, maybe even tribesmen in other parts of Africa that has had the extreme luck coming to Europe and maybe finally have a chance to provide for their family. Others might be Asian girls being imported by Swedish men because they think Swedish girls are to fat and asks to many questions.

How long and how much will these of the first generation of immigrants actually pay tax and when will they stop leeching and start seeding to our tax system.

First let us ask what the average level of education a first generation of immigrants actually have. One source I did get whilst using google was SOU 2003:075 which provides information about establishment of immigrants in Sweden and analyses this subject.

And I do apologise for moving this thread closer to Sweden even though it is suppose to be about Europe as a whole but it is because I know my way around Swedish numbers.

On page 158-161 the book provides numbers of how big the percentage is how ever we need to remember that for 20% of all refugees and for 6% if all immigrants there is no information of how high the education is and this has bin removed and that does probably effect the numbers in a positive way for the immigration/refugee group in general.

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Keywords Translation
Flyktingar=Refugees
Övriga Invandrare= Other Immigrants
Riket= The Kingdom/Nation

First graph is Basic Education lesser than 9 years. Second one is Basic Education equivalent to 9 years. Third is at the same level as A-levels and fourth is University/College equivalent. Sorry for yellow highlights, they are only the words I searched for.

The education level does however not provide all the information. There is other factors as well. Like how many of them that is actually working. migrationsinfo provided me with some numbers for this.

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The lowest number is amount of immigrant females and the one above is immigrant males. The other two is Swedish born females and males.

Also they provided the information of how big percentage of the group that is actually working after a certain amount of time.

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So that brings us back to the question of how big the seeder to leechers ratio really is of the tax system.

What does the immigration cost for the tax system? Let us for the sake of the argument say that the economist at lunds university Jan Ekberg is correct with his numbers that cost would be between 40-50 billion SEK per year. Only in income tax according to SCB the first generation immigrants pays 50 billion SEK per year. But the income tax is not the only tax they pay. They also pay VAT, employeer taxes and so on and so further. They also create jobs because the amount of work needed is linked to the amount of citizens we have in the country and on that part they do not even take their own cut.

Also the costs of immigration is more or less money that gets recycled within our own economy since there is actually people living within Sweden that is working with the system. What is clear is that immigrants not only pay their own way, but also gives us that was lucky enough to be born in this country money to be here. We are leeching from them, not the other way around.

The problem is not the people using the system to "cheat" claiming to be sick or not able to get a job. The problem is that the system we have built is not made for the technology evolution that has made our jobs easier however we have not lowered the amount of work needed per day. Therefore the amount of people that actually will work will be less and less until we leave all our jobs to the robots and computers.

Most of the people in the left want 6 hours working day with the same salary. I say we should have had six hours back in the 90s and today probably 4 hours. We had a system where you could stop working completely or work if you had the luck to get a job. But this hunt for "cheaters" has made it a lot harder to apply the 6 or 4 hours working day that is needed today.

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