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#1517305 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2013-01-21 21:08:23 (6 months ago) - [Report]

I got a couple extra bedrooms if any of those hot blonde master race looking chicks are seeking asylum. Rent is negotiable.

#1517308 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-01-21 21:30:27 (6 months ago) - [Report]

@mbodnar

Give us your illegal assault rifles and you get the girls. Guns4girls. It is only fair.

BoB wrote:

Here's the news story I mentioned earlier about immigrants paying to leave the UK

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … untry.html

Yup, to leave for France or some other country, it is the asylum-game. They can avoid registration as per UN refugee demands and get benefits. Others are sold into for example prostitution.

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#1517312 by sixshooter (User) at 2013-01-21 22:08:23 (6 months ago) - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

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In democracy the laws are applied based on votes count, rather than law weight.

Not true. There are many limitations on what kind of laws can be set, many.

'Do not forget that everything Hitler did during World War II was not against the law'. (Martin Luther King Jr).

In democracy anything is possible, specially bad laws.
Hitler took the power legally when Germany was a democracy.
I'm not saying that what happened to Germany back then could happen again, but at a smaller scale happens in tiny communities in a different way.

#1517319 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-01-21 22:29:13 (6 months ago) - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

stumbled on this video...

Somalis protest in Sweden for not getting free houses

man you guys are so screwed.

Read this in the thread about it on flashback forum:

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This demonstration (banaanbax) is not about Somalis as a group, but it's about a single Somali family who have been evicted from their apartment by the landlord.

While Social Services has threatened that they take the family's children because of false accusation from Landlord against this Somali family.

Somali in the video is there only to support the Somali family.

I am Somali. After I listened the interview with the family's dad, video approximately 8.30 minutes, the man sitting to the right. He said the landlord has accused the family to not recycle their waste, also landlord has accused the family to one of the family's children have lit fire to garbage room. Somali father says this is completely fabricated accusation and the police has completely dismissed that someone has lit fire to the garbage room.

He also states that the parents of the kids both are working but since there is no available flats in the city they want a new flat that they will pay by them self. This is what the kid of the family states that he wants in the interview. He wants a flat and he wants the area to have a place for his brothers and sisters to play and he wants a swing.

Dunno if the demonstration is right or wrong but I do want a better flat system in Sweden designed for integration.

"sorce" for post on flashback forum in Swedish

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#1517328 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-01-21 23:19:21 (6 months ago) - [Report]

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In democracy anything is possible, specially bad laws.
Hitler took the power legally when Germany was a democracy.
I'm not saying that what happened to Germany back then could happen again, but at a smaller scale happens in tiny communities in a different way.

Germany was democracy (a very weak democracy) when he took the power , but turned into something else in that same minute nazis got the power (hindenburg died and hitler proglaimed himself to the leader of the country) and started to apply their politics.
Also comparing modern democracy to democracy in 1920-1930's is not right,especially when we talk about germany where circumstances (humiliating peacy treaty which was totally unfair) after the WWI pushed the country into abyss.
Bullying and supressing the vote was everyday business back then (both sides used it).

Also bad laws are possible in every system, atleast democracy offers a way to overturn bad laws (people elect new officials if they feel that the current ones are making bad decisions) without having to use violence or revolution.

You avoided my point totally. In current western democracies there are basic rights and freedoms which can't be bypassed via laws, they are tied to international treaties.
So your statement "In democracy the laws are applied based on votes count, rather than law weight." is simply wrong. If every finnish member of parlament would want to make a law preventing women to vote, they could not do it, simple as that.

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I'm not saying that what happened to Germany back then could happen again, but at a smaller scale happens in tiny communities in a different way.

Examples please. Examples which justify the nazi card to be used in this conversation.

I ask you again, which countries are the most advanced, both technologically and socially, modern democracies or those where the base is your suggested religions ?

#1517561 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-01-23 14:58:20 (6 months ago) - [Report]

Rape has been a problem in Oslo (a couple of years back that was in the media), it has been a problem in the media in Sweden, they have the highest reported incidents of rape, tripling that of Denmark. Just recently a survey was published here, which stated that ~16-20% think it is the woman's own fault if she wears "risky clothes".. and then there is the gang-rapes like this one:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne … -girl.html

"Mohammed Karrar, 38, allegedly pushed a metal hair clip he had shaped into an ‘M’ and heated with a cigarette lighter onto her buttock.

The child, a carer for her deaf parents, was allegedly abused by Karrar and his brother Bassam, 33, between the ages of 11 and 15.

A jury heard the girl, who is the youngest of six alleged victims, describe the brothers as “the sick sex monsters”. "

#1517602 by unknown[81460] at 2013-01-23 20:42:13 (6 months ago) - [Report]

The Sun is a rag id hardly use that as an example :lol:

its not exactly a good source of anything.

#1517606 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-01-23 20:53:51 (6 months ago) - [Report]

BoB wrote:

The Sun is a rag id hardly use that as an example :lol:

its not exactly a good source of anything.

So you are saying it is false news and didn't happen..

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr … 56041.html

/edited with additional link

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#1517607 by unknown[81460] at 2013-01-23 20:57:34 (6 months ago) - [Report]

hOG wrote:

BoB wrote:

The Sun is a rag id hardly use that as an example :lol:

its not exactly a good source of anything.

So you are saying it is false news and didn't happen..

Im saying its the ultimate bottom end of media in the UK , much like the daily sport etc . Not saying what you quoted is wrong or right but the sun is the "gutter press" here. Im sure you know about the downfall of it's sister newspaper the news of the world ..........

#1517611 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-01-23 21:04:21 (6 months ago) - [Report]

Sure, tabloids are popular as well as known for their gutter, paparazi, sleazy, etc.-tactics in Scandinavian countries as well. The Danish version of the Sun: www.eb.dk - same owners. However that isn't really relevant to the case here, where this girl was raped and she was regardless of whether the Sun rapports on it, whether it is a tabloid and rag paper, which it is, I agree.

#1517612 by unknown[81460] at 2013-01-23 21:10:07 (6 months ago) - [Report]

bit like reading a story on a toilet cubical wall.........the story may be true but you aint gonna quote the toilet wall :lol:

. i hear what your saying though

#1517623 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-01-23 21:51:56 (6 months ago) - [Report]

BoB wrote:

The Sun is a rag id hardly use that as an example :lol:

its not exactly a good source of anything.

Haha. Heyheyhey, There is actually some good information on the third page.

@hOG
I would like to see some more statistics about this though.

Here is a article from DN back in 2005 http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/hemmet … or-kvinnor

Google Translate wrote:

Each day, battered and raped women. Rarely, it creates headlines. Everyday Violence bypassed in silence, while less common crimes rape attacks given column kilometers. Latest figures from the National Crime Prevention Council is indicative of a public health problem outside the spotlight.

On Wednesday detention goes out to Lindgren, one of the most high profile rapists in recent times. The detailed descriptions of his crimes reinforces stereotypes of rape. But that kind of violence against women is one of the exceptions. Everyday Violence looks completely different. There, women systematically abused in their own homes, by men they know well.

- The most dangerous place for a woman is in the home, says criminologist Leif GW Persson.

Criminal statistics from 2005 speak for themselves:
On average, reported 48 assaults a day. Crimes where the victim is a woman and the offender an acquaintance of her.
The police registered an average of 221 completed rape of women per month. Most occurred in the home.
In a year are killed on average 16 women a man she has or has had a close relationship.

- I remember a campaign on the theme: "We should have more police on the streets, so the women dare to go out," but unfortunately, it is precisely in the homes of the women at greatest risk of becoming victims of violent crime, says equality ombudsman Claes Borgström, who last fall put his investigation of sex crimes to the Government.

In report after report describes how the police reported violence against women is increasing in Sweden. In the case of domestic violence evidence suggests that there is an actual increase in the case of rape, it is "not at all unlikely", says experts DN spoken to.

Yet, the police reported offenses only a fourth or fifth of the actual number of crimes. An even smaller portion highlighted in the media. The exception is rape attacks. Although they represent only 12 percent of all surveyed completed rapes focus attention on them.

- Because the crimes committed by an acquaintance of the victim reported to a lesser extent than the offence of which the offender is a stranger, represents assault rapes probably an even smaller share of the actual violence against women, says Lotta Nilsson at the National Crime Prevention Council, the National Council, who wrote a report on rape.

In eight out of ten completed rapes of women over 15 years, is the perpetrator in some way acquainted with the victim. Usually a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner or boyfriend. The next most common are men that woman is superficially familiar with.

A review of news stories over two years showed that the media often reported on the gang rape and rape in a public place with foreign offenders. Many of the rapes were described as raw, with hints of threats, violence and weapons. Only 2 of 201 articles, and then in notice form, spelled out how a man raping a woman he lived with.

The consequence is that the picture of what is an assault distorted. Which in turn leads to women who are abused by someone they feel reluctant to report to the police.

- Women who are exposed to other types of rape may not define what they are going through as a rape, because their idea of rape is an unknown man who throws himself on someone in a dark park, says Lotta Nilsson at the National Council.

The fact that most sexual assaults opposite occurs in the home, and often with little physical violence confirmed by Lotti Helström, the physician in South Hospital emergency department for raped women in Stockholm:

- As a rule, use only as much violence as necessary for the woman to submit to. Therefore, it becomes very little physical damage, she says.

Equal Opportunities Ombudsman, Claes Borgström, warns of the consequence of the skewed image:
- People's perception of what is a "real rape" is affected. Some may get the impression that other sexual abuse are less serious or not reprehensible.

Here is some numbers from above and/or anti rape organisations in Sweden.
*98-99% of all reported rapes where committed by men.
*80% of all reported rapes was committed by an acquaintance to the victim. Usually a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner or boyfriend. The next most common are men that woman is superficially familiar with.
*80-90% of all rapes in Sweden is committed indoors at your own home or an acquaintance home.
*97% of all victims are females.
*only 23% of all rapes are reported to the police in Sweden (NTU)

#1517640 by Arnemes (Power User) at 2013-01-23 23:14:14 (6 months ago) - [Report]

Some interesting statistics about rapes in Sweden.

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The proportion of foreign-born registered as suspects for rape was five times higher than the proportion
registered among those with Swedish-born parents. The recorded crime varies between groups born in different countries. However, there is no clearly articulated pattern in this variation. The trend seems to be that those who are born in a Western European country (with the exception of some countries in Southern Europe), a Southeast Asian country
and the U.S. has the lowest recorded crime. Those who are from North Africa and the Middle East has the highest recorded crime.

swedish: http://stoppavaldtakterna.nu/statistik% … e%205.html
google translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?s … mp;act=url

#1517644 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-01-23 23:35:07 (6 months ago) - [Report]

Arnemes wrote:

Some interesting statistics about rapes in Sweden.

Page ran by Nationalist-socialist Christopher Pedersen from info14(Nazi organisation) & SvP (Former ND, Nazi party).

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#1517662 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2013-01-24 01:17:17 (6 months ago) - [Report]

beblebox wrote:

Arnemes wrote:

Some interesting statistics about rapes in Sweden.

Page ran by Nationalist-socialist Christopher Pedersen from info14(Nazi organisation) & SvP (Former ND, Nazi party).

That does not mean the statistics are untrue.

#1517665 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-01-24 02:19:28 (6 months ago) - [Report]

mbodnar wrote:

That does not mean the statistics are untrue.

That is true. However people from this group has according to a book I read published by the Swedish Security Police as a Governmental official Investigation claimed that the jews are remote controlled by aliens from a base on the dark side of the moon so until they are verified I will keep my doubt.

The 14 in the name is from the words written by David Lane "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children"

They are strong believers in ZOG.

Tribute text to David Lane when they got the news that he died
Written by former head of Sweden Democratic Youth (93-94) Robert Vesterlund on behalf of Info14.

Hah in Roberts wikipedia I found a link to a news article about SD in 97.

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"SD attracted 500 participants to an illegal Engelbrecht march in april. Among the slogans the protesters wrote noted "Six million more" and "Exterminate Darkies".

So SD has claimed tribute to the Nazi general that invaded Norway. So silly that they did not at least change name before claiming to be serious. But that has already bin discussed and I've decided to give them a chance to talk.

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#1517705 by Arnemes (Power User) at 2013-01-24 11:22:24 (6 months ago) - [Report]

beblebox wrote:

Arnemes wrote:

Some interesting statistics about rapes in Sweden.

Page ran by Nationalist-socialist Christopher Pedersen from info14(Nazi organisation) & SvP (Former ND, Nazi party).

Sorry. Didn't check who made the site, only the sources source >.<

So let's use the original source instead.

According to BRÅ 2005.17. There's a 5 time higher chance for rape.

What we can say about these numbers is that there's fewer immigrants than swedes and each case is therefore heavier towards the statistics. We should also remember that these statistics based on the period 1997-2001

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#1517707 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-01-24 11:47:08 (6 months ago) - [Report]

Arnemes wrote:

According to BRÅ 2005.17. There's a 5 time higher chance for rape.

Doesn’t matter where the statistics are from if we can refer them to something and judge after that =). We need to discuss all statistics we can get a hold on regarding this subject. So it is nothing negative about that.

Not exactly. I haven't read all of it but will do when I get the time. What BRÅ is talking about is a science report made by Pernilla Leviner where she picked out 325 randomly selected convictions during the time 1995-98 and tried to make statistics about this. They also say that this can not be proven with these numbers since that statistic doesn’t exist and that her statistics say that reported rapes are lower but that immigrants has a higher conviction rate.

Or what page is it you are referring to?

From that book page 199:

That whole book is about how immigrants are discriminated in the legal system and how much bigger chance it is that you will get a conviction if you are an immigrant facing a judge.

Also references are SOU 2006:30.

No wonder a Nazi picks up a book like that to prove their point. ^^

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#1517709 by Arnemes (Power User) at 2013-01-24 12:12:34 (6 months ago) - [Report]

@beblebox

IT DOES. They don't even mention her(at least not as a source) in the report.

This is the page I am referring to.

And yes, it comes from that internet hate machine super nazi website but it's really just a screenshot from the real report.

#1517711 by beblebox (Power User) at 2013-01-24 12:18:45 (6 months ago) - [Report]

Arnemes wrote:

@beblebox

IT DOES. They don't even mention her(at least not as a source) in the report.

Of course they don't mention her. BRÅ is a much better source even though they just quoted her and later said that her numbers cant be treated as scientifically proven. But since they printed that you can claim that it a governmental study even though BRÅ says it is false numbers. Later this reaches flashback and through that SD and they will make up another suggestion to put up cameras where rape is most common (rape is most common in the victims bedroom).

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#1517712 by Arnemes (Power User) at 2013-01-24 12:21:41 (6 months ago) - [Report]

beblebox wrote:

Arnemes wrote:

@beblebox

IT DOES. They don't even mention her(at least not as a source) in the report.

Of course they don't mention her. BRÅ is a much better source even though they just quoted her and later said that her numbers cant be threaded as scientifically proven. But since they printed that you can claim that it a governmental study.

I am talking about BRÅ 2005:17 and nothing else. Don't think that that a website with NS connections is a good source.

EDIT: Might have read a bit fast there. Can you come up with any evidence that what you're saying is true? Why would they base their numbers on some random report and not even mention her?

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#1517713 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2013-01-24 12:26:51 (6 months ago) - [Report]

@beblebox

Again, I object to you focusing on Sweden on this one. Try not to. I understand it is partly my fault :giggle:

beblebox wrote:

Arnemes wrote:

Some interesting statistics about rapes in Sweden.

Page ran by Nationalist-socialist Christopher Pedersen from info14(Nazi organisation) & SvP (Former ND, Nazi party).

And you referenced Expo... a network connected to ANTIFA (anti-fascist network), an extreme leftist (fascist) organization, which in Sweden has knifed down and killed neo-nazies in cold blood, so what exactly is the problem? I've had no complaints about the site you use and if people are going to be criticized for the www instead of the information they found on these sites, that's just not very serious. Nothing prevents you from checking the references provided, or criticizing the information, provided by a site, e.g. countering it with statistics of your own, if you have it.

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I would like to see some more statistics about this though.

Consider that Norway, Denmark and Finland all have lower reported rapes than Sweden does. Sweden nearly has eight times that of Denmark. 8, EIGHT !! And that is from 2006. It is even more when compared to Norway or Finland. The question is why? I mean eight times is pretty much and there is not much of a difference in terms of population.

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Swedish national statistics. Not included rape of girls under 15! (see: http://snaphanen.dk/2008/06/16/dagens-g … er-i-2007/ - google translate it, if necessary.)

In 1975 the reported rape was in Sweden ~800, approximately that of Denmark is today. Norway, is to my recollection, almost half of that today.

First news from 4 years back:

local.se wrote:

The number of reported rapes in Sweden has risen sharply in the last ten years, according to a new survey by Brå, the Swedish national council for crime prevention.

The report highlights other interesting statistics about the changing face of rape crime in Sweden.

Victims and rapists are less likely to know each other well and there have been less so-called random attack rapes in the last ten years.

The number of reported rapes on people over the age of 15 years has doubled since ten years ago. Around 3,500 rapes were reported in 2007.

According to the crime prevention council, rapes reported most occurred between people of no or little acquaintance. This type of rape has risen by 10 percent between 1996 and 2006.

...

There has been a rise in the number of rapes with several perpetrators, but according to Brå, this is not synonymous with so-called 'gang-bangs'.

Brå's definition of group rape assumes that several people are involved, but not necessarily all at the same time or that everyone in the group has committed rape. For example, one person might have been the victim of several assaults in one evening.´

source: http://www.thelocal.se/12468/

The rapes in Sweden, so far as the political correct government and Brå sees it, are due to 1) "The law was changed in 2005 so that criminal actions that had once been classified as sexual assault or sexual abuse are now judged as rape". This goes SOME WAY in explaining the rise. And it does, you would think, if you look at official statistics, however.. another way to explain the rise for the PC people have been through WHO who in 2002 came out with a rapport on the peculiar and continuing rise in Swedish rape that states 2) "The United Nations Interregional Crime & Justice Research Institute especially notes that countries such as Sweden, with greater gender equality, demonstrate a higher incidence of sexual violence, which is concluded to be a result of the fact that victims in such countries are more inclined to report sexual incidents, including minor ones". So basically the same explanation, but at that time, before the law was changed, and back then due to "gender equality" ...

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A review of news stories over two years showed that the media often reported on the gang rape and rape in a public place with foreign offenders. Many of the rapes were described as raw, with hints of threats, violence and weapons. Only 2 of 201 articles, and then in notice form, spelled out how a man raping a woman he lived with.

...

Here is some numbers from above and/or anti rape organisations in Sweden.
*98-99% of all reported rapes where committed by men.
*80% of all reported rapes was committed by an acquaintance to the victim. Usually a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner or boyfriend. The next most common are men that woman is superficially familiar with.
*80-90% of all rapes in Sweden is committed indoors at your own home or an acquaintance home.
*97% of all victims are females.
*only 23% of all rapes are reported to the police in Sweden (NTU)

A news article overview is not statistics however, neither do you or I know the exact role that ethnicity plays when it comes to rape.

Denmark, Norway and Finland all have high degrees of so-called gender equality. It is particular for all Nordic countries and Sweden isn't special in this regard. In my opinion, the WHO and the explanation that was to follow in 2005 is half-assed and laughable and doesn't consider that the rise can also be explained as per mass immigration and refugee policies that Sweden unlike the other neighboring countries have accepted over many years now. Granted there might be other explanations, neither the Swedish government or Brå lists crimes officially or attempts to explain this phenomenon from ethnicity, which is wrong from a democratic or free debate viewpoint.

Therefore you should at least consider the references you have been given (by Arnemes for example).

/edited: for clarification

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#1517727 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2013-01-24 13:16:17 (6 months ago) - [Report]

Guess who got offended by nothing again ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … s-set.html

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Lego has been accused of racism by the Turkish community over a Star Wars model that supposedly resembles one of Istanbul’s most revered mosques.

Austria's Turkish community said the model was based on Hagia Sophia mosque in Istanbul and that the accompanying figures depicted Asians and Orientals as people with “deceitful and criminal personalities.”

The Turkish Cultural Community of Austria released a statement calling for Lego to apologise for affronting religious and cultural feelings.

.....

Austria’s Turkish community also took issue with the figures that went with the palace, including Jabba.

“The terrorist Jabba the Hutt likes to smoke a hookah and have his victims killed,” said the statement posted on the organisation’s website.

“It is clear that the ugly figure of Jabba and the whole scene smacks of racial prejudice and vulgar insinuations against Asians and Orientals as people with deceitful and criminal personalities.”

How is the integration possible when there is a group which practically finds every possible way (which tend to be as laughable as this case) to accuse the others for racism (and islamofobia) ?
And turkish people are one of the most western like muslims there are, long ties to europe and they are even considered to be EU member in near future.

I wouldn't be suprised if in the end of the week there would be embassies burning in the middle east because of a lego star wars toy.

What comes to the rape conversation, I have already posted lot's of figures from finland (studies done by people representing our goverment). And those figures are not pretty. In some cities the rape % for immigrants is over 70%, the average being near 30% (which is a huge over representation).

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#1517738 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2013-01-24 13:49:21 (6 months ago) - [Report]

Turkish men are freakish pervs who mentally undress your woman while you're standing right there. God knows how they'd act if she were alone. Take a red haired blue eyed woman there, even to a nice resort that is supposed to western friendly, and you'll see what i mean real quick. I'd sooner let a wife/daughter travel in Kabul than Cappadocia.

#1517740 by unknown[81460] at 2013-01-24 13:53:20 (6 months ago) - [Report]

I noticed how pervy the turks were when i was there. I never went back.

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