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#1419144 by combi (Power User) at 2011-07-25 13:14:20 (2 years ago) - [Report]

His 1518-page manifest can be found here: http://www.kevinislaughter.com/wp-conte … ndence.pdf

Kinda disturbing to read.Tough, many of his theories are based on other lunatics (like the Una-bomber) and he quotes a lot of political philosophers.

But he also writes in detail, how he planned the massacre, everything from preparation, to where to buy the guns, gear, bullets, and how/where to shoot-to-kill.

He also babbles about how he want's the society to be after the "revolution" is completed.

Eg. he writes how he wants to get the fertility rates up to around 2,5, through different "tactics".

#1419885 by I (Power User) at 2011-07-28 22:22:46 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Thanks for the link, as I expected it's written in English. He killed all of these people so that more people read his book

Very smart and very sad

#1419942 by Sargoth (Power User) at 2011-07-29 09:24:59 (2 years ago) - [Report]

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Islamic extremists have launched a poster campaign across the UK proclaiming areas where Sharia law enforcement zones have been set up.

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‘We want to run the area as a Sharia-controlled zone and really to put the seeds down for an Islamic Emirate in the long term.’

source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … ities.html

I don't see this going well with the pub going Londoneers.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdRfT76s7UQ&

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#1419947 by ghostbone Donor

(Power User) at 2011-07-29 09:51:05 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Could this not be taken as the start of some people trying to 'take over' British soil? Hence should we not imprison them? >.> lol

#1419969 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2011-07-29 13:00:25 (1 year ago) - [Report]

Sargoth wrote:

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I don't see this going well with the pub going Londoneers.

http://i.imgur.com/ILVR0.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdRfT76s7UQ&

Litter plastered to a wall.

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#1420065 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2011-07-29 22:10:39 (1 year ago) - [Report]

Do you guys think there will be another attack in the near future? on European soil I mean..?

By rightwing extremists trying to fight "culturual marxism" ?? hehe

#1420179 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2011-07-30 13:42:53 (1 year ago) - [Report]

dodeliatcha wrote:

Do you guys think there will be another attack in the near future? on European soil I mean..?

By rightwing extremists trying to fight "culturual marxism" ?? hehe

No. He was a "lone wolf" and crazy on top of that. An awful lot of coincidences have to kick into place to create a monster like him.

Terrorism on European soil happens every year. Europe is not united, but the statistics:

"Europol’s EU Terrorism Situation and Trend Report (TE-SAT) records a total of 249 terrorist attacks in the EU in 2010, in which seven people died and scores of others were injured. Most of these were related to violent separatist, nationalist, or anarchist activities. Three attacks were attributed to Islamist terrorist groups, of which two were aimed at causing mass casualties. In addition an attempted attack, claimed by Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) in November 2010 had the capacity to cause serious damage and possible loss of life for a large number of EU citizens. A package containing explosive devices was sent by airfreight from Yemen to the US and was intercepted in the UK. Another one was intercepted in Dubai. In overall terms the number of attacks in the EU represents a decrease on the figure for 2009, due largely to a significant decrease in the number of attacks attributed to ETA.

In 2010 611 individuals were arrested for terrorist-related offences, of which 179 were linked to Islamist terrorism, representing a 50% increase on the previous year. Meanwhile Islamist terrorist groups issued 46 threat statements to interests in the EU, which also represents an increase on 2009."

source: http://euro-police.noblogs.org/2011/04/ … port-2011/

#1420190 by TheBlues (Power User) at 2011-07-30 14:44:09 (1 year ago) - [Report]

mbodnar wrote:

Cry me a river. I was raised by a single mother without a pot to piss in since wearing diapers and ended up at one of the best schools in the country. Mrs B had to wait until she was 30 when we were able to pay for it ourselves, and 2 of my 3 kids went to college without me writing a single check. We were handed nothing and now can live wherever and however we chose (within reason). Your birthright argument is pure shit, those with dedication and the willingness to work hard for what they want are the ones who get ahead.

It's not a bullshit argument. You were lucky, or perhaps not unlucky. You were handed nothing and you made something out of yourself and for that you deserve respect. Still, in In Sweden, nobody has to wait until they're 30 to go to university. Luck is not a factor. We see education as a basic human right.

lol2k345 wrote:

No one is saying that you need to dress like me and listen to my music, get your head out of your ass , im so tired of these mornic twisted "examples" you people respond with all the time. What I am saying, and the politicians now seem to be willing to utter, is that your native ways will not be accomodated anymore if they do not fit with the lifestyle you had when you came here, and thus you are unable to function. If you cannot live as a member of our society because it is built on our values and those clash with the ones you bring with you, that is from now on your own problem, and you have two choices; Adapt or be fucked. Fair, dont you think?

If you are born in Norway and you are still not able to function in the norwegian society, your parrents are doing a shit job, and dont care about your well being. This is exactly whats going to change from now on, because that is exactly what has gone wrong. No longer will it be possible for those parrents (aka. 1. generation) to keep living as they were still in iraq or somalia, if they wish to survive in our western society. We will solve this by closing the borders, and those people can be really proud that they took the chance away from people who in the future needed to come here and were willing to make something out of them selves because they were fucking greatfull that the best country to live in in the whole world was willing to give them a second shot. Those people are now going to have to fight for their lives, instead of learning a language and getting a job.

Economic support will be limited, in such a way that you need to learn norwegian, and get a job in order to survive. I dont know any norwegians with a job willing to accomodate people who cannot work because it breaks with their native style of life, or damn ass lazyness because the system is so loosy goosy goodwill that you to this days can sit on your ass and give a fuck about the gift of freedom bestoved you when you came here because money flows into your account anyway (there are also native norwegians doing this). There are only possibilities laid before you when you get here, and if you do not wish to start a-new, you can fuck off back to where you came from or some other country built on your values (which you most probably already fled from), we dont need you and we dont want you, your spot goes to the next person actually willing to contribute.

The only immigrants I have respect for are those that wake up at 8 in the morning, take their kids to kindergarten or school, and go to work. Also those who are trying to get educated enough and wish to become a respectfull immigrant. When you have achived a job in Norway, and can live without taking my hard earned money, youre fine and i treat you as my neighbour and countryman. If you dont do any of this for no apprently good reason youre worth shit to me, and would step right over you sleeping in the gutter because obviously, that is where you chose to be. You always, fucking always, have a chance in this country to get on your feet, we spend alot of money on keeping it that way, and there is no excuse not to try, it is actually in insult to our country not to bother with it!

100% agreed. I only asked because I encounter people all the time who want them to abandon their culture and take Swedish culture as their own.
Example: My friend had gotten new neighbors from an Arab country. They then came over and gave my friend's family a pot of rice (which is a classic Arabic neighborly ritual to begin a positive relationship) which my friend thought was fucked up. Sure, it might've been weird from a Swedish perspective but surely they should be allowed to retain such harmless culture rituals? I've also heard people criticize immigrants for not celebrating midsummer (midsommar).
Now that I know that your opinion is not the same as theirs, we are in agreement. Immigrants should adapt and follow the rules of our society. If they refuse to do this, they are free to leave.

#1420596 by lol2k345 Donor

(Power User) at 2011-08-01 11:29:54 (1 year ago) - [Report]

Bring on a pot of rice any day

#1420600 by Sargoth (Power User) at 2011-08-01 11:57:50 (1 year ago) - [Report]

I see no problems with the classic Arabic neighbourly rituals like that, nor care if they want to celebrate midsummer or not. I don't know if they would like the classic potatoes with chive & sour cream, pickled herring and a shot of schnapps though.

#1422087 by I (Power User) at 2011-08-09 04:27:11 (1 year ago) - [Report]

TheBlues wrote:

mbodnar wrote:

lol2k345 wrote:

Totally agree with your point
It's really bad that immigrants just count on tax payers money whatever the reason was
But when it comes to cultural things I think any European country will never be the same after lots of different people MOVE to be part of this country. Those immigrants will contribute to this European culture to different levels you can't keep them in the freezer asking them "please don't affect our culture try to be a copy of us or we gonna ##### you"

Here in the middle east there is no culture that didn't affect other cultures.this is very normal and happens all the time.just get used to it.

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#1422623 by Dialog (Power User) at 2011-08-11 16:13:34 (1 year ago) - [Report]

I wrote:

Here in the middle east there is no culture that didn't affect other cultures.this is very normal and happens all the time.just get used to it.

That almost sounds like you are saying that different cultures have not affected eachother in Europe. Surely that's just a mishap and you don't mean to sound so ignorant.

I think many Europeans are ok with mixed cultures to a degree. It's just the we had our middle ages in the, well, middle ages and have learn a bit from that, so no need to take steps backwards in the name of culture.

#1425115 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-08-24 17:36:50 (1 year ago) - [Report]

A recent poll by euractiv done in 23 countries reveal this:

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Europeans overwhelmingly against immigration

Majorities in countries as diverse as Germany, South Africa, Russia, Turkey and the United States were found to consider immigration to have a "very or fairly negative impact".

Anti-immigration sentiment was particularly strong in Europe, with over 65% of Spaniards, Italians and British polled strongly or partly agreeing that "there are too many immigrants in our country".

Whole story here:

http://www.euractiv.com/en/socialeurope … ews-507074

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#1425142 by unknown[53735] at 2011-08-24 20:00:15 (1 year ago) - [Report]

of course americans considers immigrants to have a negative impact they live in reservations because of them.

#1425219 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-08-25 11:13:06 (1 year ago) - [Report]

arabish wrote:

of course americans considers immigrants to have a negative impact they live in reservations because of them.

If you didn't notice this thread is about Europe.

More recent news:

http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/08/rese … origin=rss

google traslate from another article (the above is in english)
http://translate.google.com/translate?j … mp;act=url

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Finns hold largely negative views on Islam, according to a study on attitudes to various religions. Christianity enjoys the best standing among Finns, but the majority would be ready to welcome representatives of other religions into their families.

Only six percent of the survey respondents thought of Islam in positive terms, with the vast majority clearly holding negative impressions

Four of five Finns considered people with strong religious beliefs to be intolerant. Three out of five thought that religions bring more conflicts than peace.

Finnish has hitherto been happiest nations top caste, but this study shows that the Finns are placed happiness only place in 20 of all the other Nordic countries after.

(The more muslims in finaland, the more unhappy finns are ?)

#1425381 by unknown[53735] at 2011-08-26 00:16:26 (1 year ago) - [Report]

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(The more muslims in finaland, the more unhappy finns are ?)

So you really believe muslims is the cause of unhappiness/less happiness in the finnish population? Don't make me fuck your mom in the ass.

#1425620 by mselo4ever4 (User) at 2011-08-27 15:34:21 (1 year ago) - [Report]

so Multiculturalism has failed here in TB as well

#1426321 by TheBlues (Power User) at 2011-08-30 22:00:21 (1 year ago) - [Report]

It's not really fair to judge that by one of arabish's posts.

#1426322 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-08-30 22:04:56 (1 year ago) - [Report]

TheBlues wrote:

It's not really fair to judge that by one of arabish's posts.

Yeah, we have lot's of immigrants (vast majority) here who are well integrated and are productive members in their societies. Arabish was one of those who hold an extreme point of view in almost every subject.

#1426349 by unknown[76452] at 2011-08-31 00:33:50 (1 year ago) - [Report]

Its still my belief that Religion is the root to all evil, yeah christians did some wrong like thousand of years ago, but we adapted, we learnt, and we have moved forward.

Muslims on the other hand has not!

I still remember the day when a friend of mine since 12 years back spitted me in the face cause I told him religion was the root to all evil - no need to ask - he is Muslim yes. Do I hang out with him still? heck no.

Btw, want to test me? get published a cartoon of Muhammed or whatever, and you will live in fear for all yoru life, do it.

Now, do the same with Jesus/God, make a funny cartoon, no one cares, we adapted and are way past the neanderthal stage.

"Oh but its just a handful of few people behaving bad" - yeah right, tell that to santa - oh there is no santa

#1426379 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2011-08-31 10:18:08 (1 year ago) - [Report]

"Religion is the root of all evil" - A phrase coined, presumably, in 1879 in an essay by an unknown author today compiled in a book by physicist Walter Lewin.

"Here is the great Permissive Bill Cure, which starts from the theory that drink is the root of all evil. Here is the Vegetarian Cure, which insists that flesh meat is the root of all evil; here is the Malthusian Cure, which maintains that large families are the root of all evil; here is the Anti-religious Cure, which holds that Religion is the root of all evil; here is the Suffrage Cure which urges that a proper supply of votes is all we want; and, following after, are a vast host of other proposals for perfecting the world by means of a five-pointed charter, or higher wages, or paper currency, ... "

http://books.google.com/books?id=KS0CAAAAQAAJ

Though many people may not know an idiom which has been perversed from its original form, it stems from the Christian holy scriptures: "The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil". Seldom a wisdom cherished that is.

/changing back to the topic..

A major problem with Islam from the perspective of the secularized West is the possibility of totalitarianism within Islam, i.e. even its most popularized varieties advance political and judicial reform/ideology beside religious. Therefore some see comparison to communism - the working class = the Ummah. And that clashes with secularism, the democratic system, parliamentarism, etc. for obvious reasons.

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#1426450 by Sargoth (Power User) at 2011-08-31 16:44:44 (1 year ago) - [Report]

Talk about things getting out of hand over a thing like a headscarf, of course loose, flowing clothes can get stuck in the rides, its fu**ing common sense, its for their own and the others safety.

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source: http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/disturb … 110830-LGF

Fight Beaks Out at Rye Playland Over Muslim Headscarves

Updated: Wednesday, 31 Aug 2011, 9:18 AM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 30 Aug 2011, 5:27 PM EDT

MYFOXNY.COM STAFF REPORT

MYFOXNY.COM - Police from several departments rushed to the Rye Playland amusement park in Westchester County after an altercation broke out between patrons over a tensions over Muslim headscarves.

The fight erupted after a "misunderstanding" between the park workers and some Muslim patrons over the park's restrictions on headgear on some rides, according to the Westchester County Executive's Office.

Apparently some Muslim women wearing the traditional headscarf, called a hijab, were denied access to some rides because of safety reasons.

"The incident erupted when some of the women tried to gain entry on rides that prohibit any kind of headwear, such as hats, scarves and flowing material, which would include hijabs," according to a statement from the executive's office. "The tour operator, the Muslim American Society of New York, had been notified well in advance of today's event-numerous times both in writing and verbally-the county's policy on headgear for certain rides at the amusement park."

The patrons were offered refunds, the statement said, but then some men and women started arguing with each other, the statement said, "to the point that park security had to intervene. In the course of restoring calm, two park rangers suffered injuries and had to be taken to a nearby hospital."

People were not allowed into the park between 4 and 6 p.m. as police and security tried to restore order.

Many people on Twitter reported seeing the police descend upon the park. Dozens of police vehicles and the park. Officers arrested and charged 15 patrons, according to the county executive's office. "After the arrests, park officials met with the tour operator to ensure that all members of his group understood the headgear policy," the statement said.

"This misunderstanding was very unfortunate," said Peter Tartaglia, the deputy parks commissioner. "Our headgear policy is designed to protect the safety of patrons and safety is our first concern. This policy was repeatedly articulated to the tour operator, but unfortunately the message did not reach some of the members of his group."

The tour group was at the park to celebrate Eid-ul-Fitr, a major holiday in the Islamic faith that marks the end of Ramadan.

Witnesses at the scene say a pair of girls confronted security personnel about the issue and one of the girls ended up on the ground in handcuffs. A group of men intervened and that is when things got out of control.

But some of the members of the group said that the rangers and the cops overreacted.

The exit ramps from I-95 into the park were also closed as police tried to get control of the situation.

The park is owned and run by Westchester County, the only government-owned amusement park in the country.

#1427344 by mrunne (Power User) at 2011-09-05 15:12:53 (1 year ago) - [Report]

I just don't like any religion, be it muslim, christian or jew or whatever. Every religion has brought about bad stuff in the past and the fact that there is still a need to fight about religion and forcing it down peoples throats just seem like madness.

On the multiculturalism issue I'm of the opinion that "When in Rome...", that is you should follow the laws / traditions of the country you adopt or move to another country. If you want to be a Muslim hellbrand that wants to live in 17th century conditions, please move back to the desert where you belong with others like you. I wonder if me and my family would get our way and much consideration if we decided to move to an radical islamic country and went about living like people in the western countries do. I'm thinking we would be stoned to death before you could draw Mohammed.

#1441288 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-11-09 16:01:43 (1 year ago) - [Report]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/ger … 60,00.html

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A new study has revealed that thousands of young women and girls in forced marriages seek help every year in Germany. The vast majority of victims come from Muslim families, and many have been threatened with violence or even death. The numbers involved are much higher than previously suspected.

In 2008, the most recent year for which statistics are available, 3,443 people sought help at counseling and information centers because they had already been, or were being, forced into marriage.
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The report revealed that one-third of victims were threatened with death if they did not go through with the forced marriage. The vast majority -- 83.4 percent -- of the victims of forced marriage come from households with Muslim parents. According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper, almost two-thirds of the cases come from devout religious families.

Many of the victims experienced extreme violence, and 27 percent were threatened with weapons or with death. Almost a third of those forced into marriage in Germany were 17 years old or younger, and another 40 percent were between the ages of 18 and 21.

Thats pretty alarming stuff which directly violates human rights right here in the centre of europe.

#1441294 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2011-11-09 16:17:48 (1 year ago) - [Report]

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New Laws Against Forced Marriage

On July 1, 2011, a new law went into effect in Germany in which those who force women and girls into marriage can be punished by up to five years in prison. Böhmer, the federal integration minister, said in a statement: "The study clearly shows that our new laws in the fight against forced marriage were right and necessary."

Böhmer noted that in many of the cases the women were forced to leave the country after marrying. They would now have the legal right to return to Germany within 10 years, she explained. "The message is that we are not leaving girls and young women who have grown up in Germany and gone to school here on their own," she said.

Ridiculous law. How are they going to decide who is the victim of forced marriage post-marriage? Its a law that depends on the testimony of these women and the idea that these women have somehow appropriated the freedom ideals of western culture - that they want to be free. I doubt that.

We dealt with this problem ages ago - and it has had the effect that it has gotten more immigrants to universities, but drawn more criticism from the EU (typical) and the ludicrous human rights organizations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_year_rule

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