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#1418631 by combi (Power User) at 2011-07-23 12:16:11 (2 years ago) - [Report]

totally insane, this guy has been accused of two things as of now:

1. Plant a (car?) bomb outside the prime minister - and justice department 17-floor building. 7 confirmed dead and at least 10 injured. The whole building is totally wrecked.

2. Aprox. 1,5 hours later, the same guy, arrives at AUF's (summer camp for labor party youths) yearly summercamp for kids between 13-20~, disguised as a policeman, going berserk gunning down and killing 91 people (still counting).

This is insane.

#1418645 by tidus (Power User) at 2011-07-23 13:21:08 (2 years ago) - [Report]

combi wrote:

Thx God that he is not muslim ..normaly all ppl will say ahh muslim s terrorists again.. but that guy is just a proof that a wrong or bad ideology is dangerus for society ..just like all extremist ..muslim s and christians..

#1418651 by combi (Power User) at 2011-07-23 13:42:44 (2 years ago) - [Report]

tidus wrote:

combi wrote:

totally agree

#1418655 by lol2k345 Donor

(Power User) at 2011-07-23 13:49:44 (2 years ago) - [Report]

combi wrote:

tidus wrote:

combi wrote:

totally agree

I am also relieved that these were not foregin attacks by muslim terrorists. I dont really know how to explain why I feel that this would somehow have been worse. I guess I think about all the good muslims in norway and what would have come if this had turned out to be that. We have always hated nazis like this fucker, and no peoples will be divided further and prosecuted by the man on the street at least. I had a muslim friend over on visit yesterday, it feelt good.

#1418656 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-07-23 13:51:14 (2 years ago) - [Report]

I have to disagree that it's good that he is not a muslim.
This incident (if it is immigration related) shows that the braking point has been reached and that people are now willing to take things in their own hands, which is a fucking scaring scenario in my eyes.
Atleast among extreme islamist we have a common enemy which comes outside from our society, now the situation may look like we have similar enemies among our own, scary as shit.
But I agree that it is the extreme ideology combined with a suitable person/s which is behind these kind of things, no matter what the ideology is, but they are not all equall, there are extreme groups which are worse than others.

Edit:
If we think about good ordinary muslim immigrant which live their ordinary lives here in scandinavia, yeah, thinking about them, it was a good thing that it was not a muslim, I agree.
However, I think that normal persons already know that it is stupid to blame every muslim for things evil muslims do, and those who think that it is, nothing changes their mind, no matter how many non muslims do things like this.
As a matter a fact in one finnish site they already hold muslims part responsibility of this, since they think that his hatred has one origin in islam and therefore islam can be blamed of this.
Fucking idiots.

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#1418657 by combi (Power User) at 2011-07-23 13:55:05 (2 years ago) - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

extreme ideology or not, this guy is clearly mentally unstable with strong psychopathic tendencies. There will always be out layers like this, it's very hard if not impossible to protect the society from people like this.

Just be looking at his logic this can be seen. Killing over 90 young innocent political active left winged people makes no sense at all regarding wanting the country to be more strict with letting muslims into the country.

I mean shoulden't he be targeting muslims then, if he was "sane"?

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#1418659 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-07-23 13:57:38 (2 years ago) - [Report]

combi wrote:

sniperfin wrote:

As I said, extreme ideology combined with a suitable person. Usually a psycho justifies his ideas from some authority etc. and usually those authors are someway extreme. There are tons of mentally ill people who are "just fine".

#1418661 by combi (Power User) at 2011-07-23 13:58:50 (2 years ago) - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

combi wrote:

sniperfin wrote:

Yep, agree. Edited my post.

#1418665 by lol2k345 Donor

(Power User) at 2011-07-23 14:10:56 (2 years ago) - [Report]

To some extent I agree. However I believe that in the midts of all this crap, native norwegians may start looking at people from different places in the world more kindly when they meet them om the streets. Some people blamed random forgein looking people on the street in oslo right after the explosion, others on facebook. Maybe they will give it some tought now, what they said. Maybe it brings them closer and make friends with people from other countries that are good norwegian citizens now. Nothing prouds me more than for example seeing a white man, a black man and a middle eastern in the same uniform. They are interviewing many youths on tv now that do not look native norwegian, who have the same stories and feelings about this incident.

#1418667 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2011-07-23 14:13:13 (2 years ago) - [Report]

combi wrote:

I mean shoulden't he be targeting muslims then, if he was "sane"?

I don't think so, because he wants to blame the government for its immigration friendly policies, as he understands it. If he had targetted Muslims, people would have come together. You can read about his political views online, he calls himself "a first generation-dhimmi". I think he probably considered the state part-islamic.. he is fucked up naturally.

#1418670 by lol2k345 Donor

(Power User) at 2011-07-23 14:16:11 (2 years ago) - [Report]

hOG wrote:

combi wrote:

I mean shoulden't he be targeting muslims then, if he was "sane"?

Yes im pretty sure that this was politically motivated against the liberal government that has been in power the last two periods atleast. Everything points to this and some sort of racism or nazism imo.

I think the message was meant for the people of norway, not the muslim community. He does not seem like a simple racist, he seems like someone who believes in starting some sort of revolution to protect norway from foreign infuelse and the loss of our nation to islam. We will see when the police comes out with his testemonial, im guessing today or tomorrow.

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#1418672 by combi (Power User) at 2011-07-23 14:20:21 (2 years ago) - [Report]

hOG wrote:

combi wrote:

I mean shoulden't he be targeting muslims then, if he was "sane"?

It's hard to see the logic in it, both ways. But yeah.

#1418694 by tidus (Power User) at 2011-07-23 15:44:25 (2 years ago) - [Report]

I must say i hate media..thay write this like is so fucking important..Norwegian describes as "a Christian and conservative," to live in Oslo, loves hunting and video games "World of Warcraft" and "Call of Duty 2"... and in the end the will even say the video games are falt.... becouse thy will say if he is not muslim then he ih not terorist just a insane guy becouse of the video games .. c c c c

#1418700 by lol2k345 Donor

(Power User) at 2011-07-23 16:10:30 (2 years ago) - [Report]

tidus wrote:

I havent seen any sources, at least national ones, that has played this card yet. And if they do they deserve to be smacked around their teeth for their ignorance, until they wake up from their fairytale daze where everything bad that happens has a very good explenation and where other people are to blame. Sounds just like what I believe my neighbour is thinking, and I am not speaking to him again.

#1418701 by combi (Power User) at 2011-07-23 16:17:55 (2 years ago) - [Report]

lol2k345 wrote:

tidus wrote:

I saw some articles that just mentioned his interests (extracted from his facebook profile) such as movies like Gladiator, 300 and Dexter, together with games like MOW2 and WOW. But I haven't seen anyone blaming entertainment for what happened.

I think everyone (even the media, at least the pretty serious ones) understands is that this guys problems and interests goes much deeper and darker than games and entertainment.

#1418772 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2011-07-23 19:27:20 (2 years ago) - [Report]

My thoughts and prayers are with the norwegian people. <3

Rest in Peace.

Maybe one day we can meet face to face

in a place without time and space

I hope the norwegians on this site are doing ok. Don't let something like this change your way of life.

#1418775 by tidus (Power User) at 2011-07-23 19:40:03 (2 years ago) - [Report]

lol2k345 wrote:

tidus wrote:

OOoo i think they will play on that card ..just wait . sad but tru.

#1418876 by Devilizer (Power User) at 2011-07-24 05:04:32 (2 years ago) - [Report]

For those interested in seeing what this guys beliefs and ideas are, here's a book he apparently wrote:
http://www.2shared.com/document/pEeD6Xs … ofInd.html

It is quite clear, just by reading the first pages, that even if he might be insane and have psychological problems, he's a smart and literate man. This is not your common inbred idiot.

This image has been resized, click here to view the full-sized image.

I've only partially skimmed over the first few pages, and while i totally disagree to what he has done, I understand what he means. Just take the example of white people fearing to say anything about non-whites, risking to be called nazis or whatever.
He does stretch it way too far tho.

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#1418878 by PengoIsMe (Sexy Aussie) at 2011-07-24 07:07:30 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Hasn't just failed in Europe my friends, also here down under.

#1418921 by Tonyrw22 (User) at 2011-07-24 12:37:24 (2 years ago) - [Report]

The guy is complete crazy this will do his goal no good, every leftist will now say that not only muslims do terrorist attacks. which is now correct. and it will scare people away from right wing parties. his attack will have an opposite effect.
He is against Islam but now he does himself an terrorist attack just like radical Islamists.., that is one of the main reasons why people don't like islam it brings violence. I hope this is 1 time thing and this trent doesn't continue.
radical christian terrorists what the fuck.

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#1418923 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2011-07-24 13:01:17 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Eitherway..he called for a christian war..and decided that it was time to kill young children..and that god had justified it.. no difference between him and the islamist monkeyshits...

I think these attacks would have been much more common had we not lived in such a secure society.. I mean lets say you lived in a country like afghanistan..but christians ruled instead..

I think extremism in the western world is not that prevalent because most people live comfortable lives..and because we've got a modern police, the likelyhood of getting caught here is higher than in a 3rd world country..

if you look at africa..and even some eastern european countries..extremism exists on both sides..christian and muslim..

Strong, smart and competent law enforcement + high living standards are staving of extremism here in the western world.. thats why I think greece and other countries are getting increasingly liable to extremism atm..

EDIT : maybe you disagree with everything I said..or the scope of this entire massacre..but do you think I have a point?

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#1418924 by MrShish Donor

(Power User) at 2011-07-24 13:03:41 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Tonyrw22 wrote:

radical christian terrorists what the fuck.

You seam to forget oklahoma city bombings,
Japanese subway gas atack. Etc etc

Religious nutjobs exists in every branch. Not only in islam.

#1418928 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2011-07-24 13:15:33 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Exactly.. Uganda has extremists killing gays and forcing marriage on little girls..and they say they're simply following the 10 commandments and the world of the bible..

eastern europe has them too..and indonesia..

However it would be stupid to deny the fact that islamic extremism much much more prevalent..

Another point : Who here agrees with me when I say that the new media is causing much of this hysteria?

For example..a small story in a village somewhere in france about a few deaths can quickly spread through the internet..blogs..facebook..twitter..smartphones..youtube..

While 2 decades ago (or more) people would never have heard of that particular story because there was no world wide communication. So now..whenever something bad happens, the entire world knows about it instantly..and since we are nearly 7 billion people now..alot of things happen everyday..it may seem as if the world is imploding..but in reality nothing has changed.

We are just getting bombarded with news all of the time. My friend doesnt have a phone..and he doesnt check the news on the internet..he thinks the world is at peace?

haha

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#1418930 by Rahvin (Power User) at 2011-07-24 13:19:03 (2 years ago) - [Report]

Tonyrw22 wrote:

It isn't _now_ correct. The majority of terrorism in Europe is by seperatist movements, and in the most recent study I've found (2007-2009) extremists rightwing beats islamic terrorism (0.4% and 0.2%, compared to 88.6% seperatist).

#1418933 by lol2k345 Donor

(Power User) at 2011-07-24 13:23:23 (2 years ago) - [Report]

What is important is that we reduce him to a simple terrorist and not let him puke his shit all over the world.

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