Protests in The ME and Africa

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#1376377 by EspenT (Power User) at 2011-02-09 16:25:25 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

http://www.euronews.net/2011/02/03/muba … open-fire/

This is supposedly the original clip, still with the pale rider.

#1376386 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-02-09 17:14:30 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=260049

Pale rider of the apocalypse is spotted in egypt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UKz3GVrHI8

http://www.wnd.com/images/110205rider.JPG

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Its not too late for you Sniper - Repent and accept Jesus as your lord and savior!

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#1376406 by unknown[417104] at 2011-02-09 18:22:06 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

It's lens flare from the camera. Notice how it moves exactly as hte camera moves.

Also other reflections/lens flares all over the place in that same shot.

#1376425 by slitt3r90 (Power User) at 2011-02-09 19:10:40 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

This pic made me tear.. :'-(

whats written on the bride is: Egypt

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#1376427 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-02-09 19:13:42 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

slitt3r90 wrote:

This pic made me tear.. :'-(

whats written on the bride is: Egypt

http://i51.tinypic.com/mudehg.jpg

Looks like Mubarak is trying to save her from a bloody thirsty mob that is trying to capture her so they can stone her for not covering her face and wearing lipstick like a whore.

#1376428 by slitt3r90 (Power User) at 2011-02-09 19:15:02 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

slitt3r90 wrote:

This pic made me tear.. :'-(

whats written on the bride is: Egypt

http://i51.tinypic.com/mudehg.jpg

Looks like Mubarak is trying to save her from a bloody thirsty mob that is trying to capture her so they can stone her for not covering her face and wearing lipstick like a whore.

What's written on the left: Jail of the national democratic (instead of the national democratic party) - which is Mubarak's party. Which means that the people on the right side are trying to save Egypt from Mubarak.

Dude do you know anything about Egypt or women in Egypt? or was that a joke ?

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#1376434 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-02-09 19:27:26 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

slitt3r90 wrote:

if you are going to be a democratic society the first thing you need to learn is there is no right or wrong answer to political questions, only different opinions.

#1376437 by slitt3r90 (Power User) at 2011-02-09 19:35:58 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

slitt3r90 wrote:

if you are going to be a democratic society the first thing you need to learn is there is no right or wrong answer to political questions, only different opinions.

Thank you for your answer

now I know the difference between people who see the truth as intended and people who are misguided.

#1376439 by Inspiration (Power User) at 2011-02-09 19:46:10 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

People who see the truth "as intended"? What the ?

#1376446 by slitt3r90 (Power User) at 2011-02-09 19:52:25 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Inspiration wrote:

People who see the truth "as intended"? What the ?

What? the pic intention is to show that the Egyptian people are trying to save the bride (Egypt) from Mubarak.

#1376447 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-02-09 19:54:40 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

slitt3r90 wrote:

Inspiration wrote:

People who see the truth "as intended"? What the ?

What? the pic intention is to show that the Egyptian people are trying to save the bride (Egypt) from Mubarak.

So a drawing makes an opinion become a truth?

#1376448 by slitt3r90 (Power User) at 2011-02-09 19:59:20 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

slitt3r90 wrote:

Inspiration wrote:

People who see the truth "as intended"? What the ?

What? the pic intention is to show that the Egyptian people are trying to save the bride (Egypt) from Mubarak.

So a drawing makes an opinion become a truth?

No no no no, The Drawing's opinion is what I explained. which is the true meaning of the drawing. You Explained it differently which is a different opinion which I consider (and the pic is backing me up on this) wrong or conflicting with the true intention of the drawing.

If you wanna talk whether the revolution is right or wrong then that's something else..

#1376460 by unknown[417104] at 2011-02-09 20:25:06 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95, you added your own position to the picture, a position totally opposite from the pictures true meaning, as shown in the writings on it. You are kind of shooting yourself in the foot in this discussion

#1376462 by slitt3r90 (Power User) at 2011-02-09 20:30:06 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

pharotorrent wrote:

#1376472 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-02-09 20:55:10 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

pharotorrent wrote:

Im sorry if my arabic is not that great that I couldn't decipher it, for all I know this could be the real translations...

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#1376473 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2011-02-09 20:56:11 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

what is written on the door translates to "the national democratic jail", in refrence to mubarak's political thing .. "the national democratic"

that image alone without the text, could mean both sides of the meaning.

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#1376477 by spotmarker Donor

(Power User) at 2011-02-09 21:09:48 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

pharotorrent wrote:

Im sorry if my arabic is not that great that I couldn't decipher it, for all I know this could be the real translations...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/ … mudehg.jpg

Is it really that hard to accept that there might be people in Egypt that actually respect women and don't want to stone them all?

#1376484 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-02-09 21:24:46 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

spotmarker wrote:

qbert95 wrote:

pharotorrent wrote:

Im sorry if my arabic is not that great that I couldn't decipher it, for all I know this could be the real translations...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/ … mudehg.jpg

Is it really that hard to accept that there might be people in Egypt that actually respect women and don't want to stone them all?

are we seriously going to keep pretending that the Muslim Brotherhood isn't going to be a major political force in Egypt if and when Mubarak steps down?? I know its fun to sit back and try to project western ideals into whats going on over there and we will hear lots of lip service to that end, but its just not going to happen. I can guarantee you that when they do eventually gain majority control in Egypt you are going to realize my sign was a lot "truer" than the artist's original intent.

#1376491 by spotmarker Donor

(Power User) at 2011-02-09 21:54:12 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

Could we as well stop projecting some irrational fears into what's going on there? Your 'sign' seems to be more influenced by some ideology than by actual facts.

#1376508 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-02-09 22:23:37 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

It's not the first time when thugs steal a revolution, iran is a prime example of that which started as populist (people against the elite,current situation in egypt), turned into nationalist and ended as shia islamic revolution (the thugs stole it and turned a country with bright young minds into a islamic state).

Usually the thugs (in this case the muslim brotherhood) are the most loud and the most determined group when things start to be in the point when revolution is pretty much sure, so far the situation in egypt is not like that and they have been in the shadows.

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#1376518 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2011-02-09 22:56:04 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

in 2005, the muslim brotherhood took 88 chairs out of 444 chairs in the egyption parliament elections - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Assembly_of_Egypt

they are the 2nd biggest organized political party right now

at the moment they are not legally recognized because the laws forbids creating polictical parties based on religions, since officially the main country religion is islam (91% of population are muslims)

#1376519 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-02-09 23:00:23 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

Usually the thugs (in this case the muslim brotherhood) are the most loud and the most determined group when things start to be in the point when revolution is pretty much sure, so far the situation in egypt is not like that and they have been in the shadows.

Ive read that as well, but what is that really based on? Eye witness reports from inside the protests? Is that really a reliable basis on where the brotherhood stands in relation to whats going down right now? Because over here in the US the Obama administration is putting a lot of emphasis on them and they arent doing that because they are in the shadows.

*edit* btw here is some Pew poll data from Egypt:

-- Twice as many Egyptians identify themselves as Muslim fundamentalists as identify themselves as "modernizers."

-- By 95 to 2, Egyptians believe Islam should play a large role in Egyptian politics.

-- Three in four Egyptians believe cutting off the hand of a thief is proper punishment. Four in five favor stoning adulterers to death. And 84 percent favor executing Muslim converts to Christianity.

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#1376548 by zazou (Power User) at 2011-02-10 01:32:02 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

bullshit.
utter bullshit.
the fear of the mb is overblown.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree … CMP=twt_fd

Amira Nowaira wrote:

...
The uprising has also put the role played by the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamist groups in Egyptian politics in perspective. It now emerges that the threat of an Islamist takeover of power has been magnified on purpose, both inside the country and outside it. During the last few years, I often wondered why the state media gave an enormous amount of space to fundamentalist elements to air their views when the official line was that the government was fighting their influence. The reason this was happening is only beginning to emerge. Because a regime can only define itself by its enemies, so the Islamists in general served the purpose of scaring not only the Coptic population, but ordinary Muslim Egyptians who would loathe to see a theocracy in place, while at the same time scaring the west into aligning their forces behind the regime.
...

Have you consulted any source other than wiki? Well, here are two recent articles on the MB:
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ … er-mubarak
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/fe … -uncovered

the first link is about as pro-us fp as you can get.

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Ive read [WIKI] as well, but what is that really based on? Eye witness reports from inside the protests? Is that really a reliable basis on where the brotherhood stands in relation to whats going down right now? Because over here in the US the Obama administration is putting a lot of emphasis on them and they arent doing that because they are in the shadows.

And you've bought into the hysteria, hook, lie and sinker...

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*edit* btw here is some Pew poll data from Egypt:

--(A) Twice as many Egyptians identify themselves as Muslim fundamentalists as identify themselves as "modernizers."

--(B) By 95 to 2, Egyptians believe Islam should play a large role in Egyptian politics.

--(C) Three in four Egyptians believe cutting off the hand of a thief is proper punishment. Four in five favor stoning adulterers to death. And 84 percent favor executing Muslim converts to Christianity.

Ok this is a bit more substantive.

(A) For the first, i'd really want to know what it means to be a modernizer or a fundamentalist to an Egyptian. Does it mean the same thing that you and I take it to mean? Or might modernizer for an Egyptian mean Americanized... and not necessarily in the liberties, but in the hollywood caricature that often comes across. I have no clue, but I can't read too much into that.

(B) I wonder how many Americans demand a Christian president. How often do senators, congresspeople or presidents invoke their Christianity or god in their speeches? Can you imagine a non-Christian getting elected? An atheist? How about a president who was Christian, but didn't talk about how much he loves god and how important his religion is in his decision making?

There's been what, one non-Protestant (Catholic) president? .... Hmmm. I wouldn't read too much into this.

(C) Where is this one from? It's not in the pew survey... link??? In any event, if true -- this is quite fucked up. That said, living under a non-dictatorship would be a start. Did you actually make this one up?

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#1376627 by Sargoth (Power User) at 2011-02-10 12:04:57 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … Egypt.html

I think the pictures in that news article says it all, if you don't feel like reading it.

#1376630 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-02-10 12:23:59 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Britain has the second most extreme muslim community in the world, right after saudi arabia (which have influenced the britis muslims by building their mosques,providing extreme literacy,training extreme muslims etc.).
Every protest involving muslims in britain has signs which are directly showing hatered towards the west and demanding total islamic rule via sharia law etc.
No wonder cameron had to gave that speech about the failure of immigration,especially muslims.
The only moderate british muslim I know is salman rushdie, who ironically is in the jihadists hit list.

This is the sharia law they are wanting to egypt aswell:

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Hena Begum was a fourteen year old girl growing up in the Shariatpur region of Bangladesh until her forty year old cousin decided to rape her.

After she was raped, the rapist and his family then beat her until she was unconscious.

Next, the local Sharia (Islamic) courts ruled that yound Hena should receive 101 lashes for the crime of adultery � for the crime of being a child raped by an adult.

The Muslim clerics took the young girl, who still could not stand on her own, to a public square and proceeded to deliver the 101 lashes. After receiving 80 lashes, young Hena collapsed. Her family was allowed to take her to a hospital where she died from her wounds.

The child�s father, Dorbesh Khan, was also ordered to pay a fine equal to approximately $700 USD � quite a considerable sum in a nation which is suffering under the poverty which almost inevitably results from Islamic rule.

The rapist, a man known as Mahbub, was previously convicted of rape and sentenced to marry his rape victim.

http://www.fortliberty.org/14yr-old-rap … court.html

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