Protests in The ME and Africa

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#1374965 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-02-04 19:33:42 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Rahvin wrote:

"Day of whatever"? The military is mobilizing outside the presidential palace and the US has negotiated with the leaders and demanded Mubaraks resignation..

After the US sold them out after being steadfast allies for 30 years the "leaders" can give two shits what Obama wants now, Mubarak isnt going anywhere.

#1374986 by unknown[293451] at 2011-02-04 20:06:41 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

kneoghau wrote:

I didn't notice a huge female present at the UK student protests a few months ago either, i guess they weren't affected seeing as in the restrictive UK woman stay at home in the kitchen spitting out babies and don't have educations or anything.

Completely irrelevant. I don't see why you must make yourself look silly by spouting such nonsense. As if me saying that women are oppressed in the Arab world (true) is somehow equivalent to you saying women stay at home and have no education in the UK (not true). This is suppose to be a massive popular uprising against a dictatorial regime, one that according to most Westerners is a fight for freedom. I'm just curious why it is half of their population stayed home. Your analogy is "invalid".

kneoghau wrote:

Can you find me a picture of any protest (especially a violent one) with a significant female presence? Don't cheat and use the Suffragette movement either. Until you can do this your argument is invalid.

The Iranian protests! Which is the only valid comparison. You cannot compare the riots in Greece or anywhere else in the Western world to the protests in Egypt. Jeez, you make yourself look silly while grasping at straws.

It was claimed by an Egyptian on this forum, and some in the media, that there was a 20-50% female presence. The pictures don't show that. Period! I suppose I shouldn't believe my lying eyes?

kneoghau wrote:

I guess i can be all smug now

Perhaps if you actually had a valid point to make you could. Your attempt to prove my point "invalid" had failed. So, no I don't think you have anything to be smug about.

#1374990 by unknown[417104] at 2011-02-04 20:19:00 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Buddy42, shut up already.

#1375004 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2011-02-04 21:00:30 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

pharotorrent wrote:

Buddy42, shut up already.

why is that?
He may be being pedantic but he isn't trolling. He is simply arguing a point that that is related to the actual topic.

#1375008 by Germs Donor

(Paulo DiCanio's Disciple) at 2011-02-04 21:04:08 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Buddy,I get the feeling that no matter how many women you see or don't see in these protests it's not going to change your view that all Arab women are oppressed and not seen in public because of their religion.
I happen to believe that in a lot of places in the middle east this is the case but Egypt is less guilty of this mindset that many others.I also agree that most sisters,mothers,wives etc would and should be discouraged from attending a demonstration where it's likely to end in violence and mayhem.There's a huge difference between marching through London to protest about the student loans and hitting the streets of Egypt to try and overthrow the government and if you can't see that then I feel it's because you don't want to

#1375010 by unknown[417104] at 2011-02-04 21:05:53 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

VeryBadGuy wrote:

pharotorrent wrote:

Buddy42, shut up already.

why is that?
He may be being pedantic but he isn't trolling. He is simply arguing a point that that is related to the actual topic.

He keeps ignoring every shred of evidence presented, waving them off as insignificant. He hasn't given a single example helping his own argument, other than a few pictures. Pictures that are exactly the same as the ones I presented. I bet I could post pictures from the Iran protests and claim them to be from Egypt, and he would wave them off.

#1375011 by pneumothorax (User) at 2011-02-04 21:06:23 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

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#1375024 by unknown[293451] at 2011-02-04 21:37:13 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

pharotorrent wrote:

Buddy42, shut up already.

OK! Only because you asked so nicely!

pharotorrent wrote:

You've presented no evidence to back up anything that you've said. The claim was made that 20-50% of the protesters were female, which means there would have been hundreds of thousands of them in the streets, you've presented no evidence proving that. Therefore, there is no evidence of yours to be ignored on my part.

Germs wrote:

I never made the claim that ALL Arab women are oppressed. Simply, that, by and large, within the Arab world they typically are.

Why is it so hard for you people to comprehend simple undeniable facts.

Fact#1 - Women are by and large oppressed in the Muslim World
Fact#2 - You are not fighting for freedom if you only want certain groups to have it.
Fact#3 - The lack of women within the protests doesn't bode well for the future of Egyptian women. (should they not be represented?).

Please see the Iranian protests. That is what I would expect to see in Egypt if they're really fighting for freedom.

#1375030 by kneoghau (Power User) at 2011-02-04 21:56:07 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Buddy42 wrote:

kneoghau wrote:

I believe the popular expression is "pics or it didn't happen". I asked for pics (like you) and you didn't provide any, thus your argument is pointless.

Quite frankly you might as well have bought up the "over / under toilet paper" debate, at least evidence can be easily found for whichever side you're on

#1375041 by unknown[417104] at 2011-02-04 22:22:11 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

What about the pictures I posted? Did you miss those?

#1375043 by unknown[293451] at 2011-02-04 22:27:37 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

kneoghau wrote:

I believe the popular expression is "pics or it didn't happen". I asked for pics (like you) and you didn't provide any, thus your argument is pointless.

There goes the thought that women stay home if there's a chance of violence.

I already provided some photos of the Iranian protests in one of my earlier comments. I figured it was common knowledge that a significant amount of women took part in the Iranian protests. So, I didn't think I actually needed to post pics, or re-post pics. Like I said your attempt to make a valid argument and to prove mine invalid has yet again failed. You keep grasping at straws. It only makes yourself look silly.

It's hilarious to me that you think I'm unreasonable because I think that, if there was a significant female presence within the protests, that there would be pics and video of this. You, clearly are the unreasonable one here, and are unwilling to acknowledge what is quite obvious.

I wonder what you will say now that I provided exactly what you asked for. Don't believe your eyes! They're lying to you!

kneoghau wrote:

Quite frankly you might as well have bought up the "over / under toilet paper" debate, at least evidence can be easily found for whichever side you're on

Wow, now was that clever! I wonder if you thought that up all on your own? I'm going to use that line sometime. If it's OK with you of course?

Anyways, I quite done with this conversation. You guys are beyond reproach.

#1375046 by unknown[417104] at 2011-02-04 22:40:47 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Screencap:

Look at him ignoring this or come with some stupid "that's not significant number of women" comment.

#1375052 by demagh (User) at 2011-02-04 22:58:29 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

i was there today, no pictures though, women represent around 20~25%

can't tell exactly as they are mostly in groups away from the hot spots, mostly sitting and resting on the side walks

i am not following your discussion pharo, don't know if this post of mine will support your point or not, but i am just trying to lower your CAPS down a bit.

#1375053 by unknown[417104] at 2011-02-04 23:03:22 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

demagh wrote:

Only way I can get this guy to fucking pay attention. He keeps posting pictures that are EXACTLY the same as what I'm posting, and claims his show a great attendance in Iran, but mine shows... well that there are no women out there :s

#1375055 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2011-02-04 23:11:28 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

demagh wrote:

when were you there ?, how about the the muslim brothers presence ? , approximate number there according to YOUR estimate (not some news channel) ?

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#1375073 by demagh (User) at 2011-02-05 00:23:10 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

i was there from 6~6:30pm till 10pm

not to go into details, the muslim brothers presence does not exceed by any means more than 15%, and i am being generous here.

They are exchanging with each other, stay one day here, substitute with another one, go home rest for a while, come again, that gives them 100% presence in all times and occasions occurring in the square. That's the media's problem with them i guess, or the FORCES rumors truth starting point.

Please note:
- not every bearded man in the square is a muslim brother, there are salafies, tablee3', soofies, azharies even hippies.
FYI, most of their "muslim brothers'" youngsters are not bearded at all as they are all about MERGING with the ppl.

- they stay in groups .. ALWAYS, so when you find one, he is probably surrounded all over by them, which is a good thing IMO if you ask me.

- not a single knife/molotov cocktail was spotted today, the army is frisking every one who is entering on 3 different stage, at least from the enterence i went through "coming from kasr al 3eeny, through the falaki street, turned left at the AUC greek building and here I am"

- some thugs tried to frighten me and my little brother that there are some serious shooting and the army is waiting for orders to charge .. but these were clearly pro-mubarak thugs .. and working their ways to ppls hearts, i thought of returning back, but one of them over acted and said "enough blood shedding with fake tears" so i went through and found what i expected .. nothing but peaceful protesters, some stage with stupid singers trying to entertain ppl through badly sung National songs .. medical distribution booth, ppl praying everywhere "isha'a was called for" and some ppl going through the crowds asking if they can be helpful, distributing juice/water ..etc.

- Many injured ppl are present, very few are from today's small stone throwing clashes, between the thugs "no pro-mubarak protesters were there today btw, they were in Mostafa mahmoud in Mohandeseen, so it is clear that these starting fights are just thugs" and the others were injured in the previous days .. just kept on coming as soon as they partially recovered.

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#1375074 by I (Power User) at 2011-02-05 00:28:18 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

hmhef wrote:

demagh wrote:

The 25th January movement succeeded, it is time to re-arrange the system/regime .. we should all "supporters and opposition" welcome those political symbols to have a leader soon, or we'll die by our own doings.

the only thing you wrote that i respected, (no offence intended).

and since this is a country and not a football team, we can just say 'change the manager'
this change need to be slow (few months) , to make sure that it is what the majority wants, because anyone stepping up now, will have his opposition that will go protest in the tahrir square untill they go, and we will have no country left by the end of this mess

EDIT:
no, the muslim brothers are supported by hezb-allah and iran

Sorry hmhef I will be very busy next few days so maybe won't have the chance to have a proper discussion with you

NO. Protests should go till that idiot and his fellows go to hell
During those few months he gonna build up his own police and amn eldowla forces and he will take every single free student, journalist, scientist started this
He will literally "yefsha5hom" and prepare for other system with different names. What is the point of having the president name Soliman rather than Mubarak, if the [i]system[i] is the same?!

The emergency state is there and he said nothing about it, he can simply and [i]legally[i] arrest whoever want to arrest. He said nothing about judges watching the elections, he can just do another funny parliament.

US and Israel (especially Israel ofc) doesn't care about Mubarak, they do care about the regime that kept protecting their interests here for decades. This revolution started with some middle and high class students, the well educated people started the revolution but the poor less educated people were the fuel . They backed and supported the revolution. Now what Solaiman and the folks are trying to do is to get those less educated people back to their homes so that they can deal with those 6 April, Brotherhood, Journalists who supported the revolution.

Freedom in Egypt. It's now or NEVER. If such very powerful revolution failed after 30 years of oppression, lots of people would be very disappointed. The elites would leave to Canada, Australia or even Qatar after the people let them down. If the people doesn't won't freedom, then that's it.

#1375301 by kneoghau (Power User) at 2011-02-05 20:21:42 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Buddy42 wrote:

I already provided some photos of the Iranian protests in one of my earlier comments. I figured it was common knowledge that a significant amount of women took part in the Iranian protests. So, I didn't think I actually needed to post pics, or re-post pics. Like I said your attempt to make a valid argument and to prove mine invalid has yet again failed. You keep grasping at straws. It only makes yourself look silly.

Actually in my last post was just repeating your own argument and using it against you, refusing to believe what news reports and people involved etc are saying. Yes that argument makes me look silly, but seeing as it was your view point i was using it's to be expected. For the record i already knew there was plenty of women at the Iranian protests

Buddy42 wrote:

It's hilarious to me that you think I'm unreasonable because I think that, if there was a significant female presence within the protests, that there would be pics and video of this. You, clearly are the unreasonable one here, and are unwilling to acknowledge what is quite obvious.

See above, about me just repeating your argument

Buddy42 wrote:

I wonder what you will say now that I provided exactly what you asked for. Don't believe your eyes! They're lying to you!

And what will you now say to pharotorrent :giggle:

I could have denied those photos prove woman were present (just like you did :giggle:

) but i think i've made my point

Buddy42 wrote:

kneoghau wrote:

Quite frankly you might as well have bought up the "over / under toilet paper" debate, at least evidence can be easily found for whichever side you're on

That sounds familar, oh yeah now i know why!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaoWKTS37qo

VBGEdit: Now mind yourself...this is the serious chat forum (most of the time) so let's try to keep it civil and semi-respectful.

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#1375570 by slitt3r90 (Power User) at 2011-02-06 18:31:48 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

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#1375580 by demagh (User) at 2011-02-06 19:15:23 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

slitt3r90 wrote:

http://i53.tinypic.com/xlcs3p.jpg

i dont get it

#1375595 by THEBiZ (User) at 2011-02-06 20:44:10 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

demagh wrote:

slitt3r90 wrote:

http://i53.tinypic.com/xlcs3p.jpg

i dont get it

Blasphemy!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWP-AsG5DRk

#1376028 by zazou (Power User) at 2011-02-08 13:37:20 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

for what it's worth:

Egyptian Riot Grrls: Finding the Feminine Face of Fury

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Egyptian Riot Grrls: Finding the Feminine Face of Fury
Friday 04 February 2011
by: Beenish Ahmed | PULSE | News Analysis

Much has been aflutter on twitter about the very visible presence of women among the protests that have taken Egypt by storm over the last few weeks, but images of them have remained sparse amid the digital slideshows strung together by major media outlets, portraying mainly dense crowds of the manly.

What falls within these frames does not necessarily paint a full picture, since as Egyptian Organization for Human Rights activist Ghada Shahbandar claims, the crowd in downtown Cairo is up to 20 percent female. Others have put the number much higher, at 50 percent.

Although they are less prevalent, some efforts have been made to depict the role of women this popular uprising. The Global Post put together a slideshow on the Women of Egypt among the March of Millions in Tahrir Square, and a compilation of photographs from various sources can be found on sawt al niswa, a self-described �feminist webspace
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#1376277 by Alibaba86 (Power User) at 2011-02-09 11:35:49 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

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#1376372 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-02-09 15:57:39 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vi … eId=260049

Pale rider of the apocalypse is spotted in egypt:

#1376375 by slitt3r90 (Power User) at 2011-02-09 16:24:24 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I say fake

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