Protests in The ME and Africa

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#1374709 by unknown[417104] at 2011-02-03 20:07:38 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

The norwegian television team that was first accused of being israelis (until they showed their norwegian passport), were robbed by self proclaimed pro-mubarak supporters. When the military intervened, they were ordered by the intelligence service to delete all photos and video.

#1374713 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-02-03 20:12:11 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

pharotorrent wrote:

. When the military intervened, they were ordered by the intelligence service to delete all photos and video.

that at the end of the day is the problem. I don't think the military is at all on the side of the protesters and the only reason they haven't cracked down yet is they appear to be mobilizing and getting into place. I fear once thats happens they are going to unleash all hell on the protesters and unlike in the US where our glorious founder gave us the second amendment for this exact reason

, they will not be able to fight back.

#1374715 by slacker4life (Power User) at 2011-02-03 20:21:37 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

^ yea this entire thing is a shining example of why we want to the right bear arms. hopefully it never gets that bad but if it ever does, the people have the power.

#1374716 by unknown[417104] at 2011-02-03 20:23:09 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

slacker4life wrote:

^ yea this entire thing is a shining example of why we want to the right bear arms. hopefully it never gets that bad but if it ever does, the people have the power.

Yeah. What do you think would have happened if everyone in tahrir was armed. Wouldn't be 1 dead, I can guarantee you that.

#1374727 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-02-03 20:43:30 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

pharotorrent wrote:

slacker4life wrote:

^ yea this entire thing is a shining example of why we want to the right bear arms. hopefully it never gets that bad but if it ever does, the people have the power.

Yeah. What do you think would have happened if everyone in tahrir was armed. Wouldn't be 1 dead, I can guarantee you that.

and Mubarak wouldn't be pulling that "Ill go in September ( :lol:

)" bullshit either.

#1374728 by demagh (User) at 2011-02-03 20:47:56 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

LOL
Sad, but true

wish us luck guys tomorrow, expected to be a very long day, wish me safety from cars that miss the road for ppl

#1374735 by unknown[417104] at 2011-02-03 20:57:57 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Swedish journalist is now in surgery after being nearly stabbed to death.

Funny when the person who answered his phone said the military had him.

#1374741 by VizlaN Donor

(Power User) at 2011-02-03 21:14:35 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

pharotorrent wrote:

Funny when the person who answered his phone said the military had him.

Yes hillarious

#1374747 by slacker4life (Power User) at 2011-02-03 21:41:14 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

pharotorrent wrote:

slacker4life wrote:

^ yea this entire thing is a shining example of why we want to the right bear arms. hopefully it never gets that bad but if it ever does, the people have the power.

Yeah. What do you think would have happened if everyone in tahrir was armed. Wouldn't be 1 dead, I can guarantee you that.

wouldn't be 30 years of a bullshit regime either.

#1374789 by VizlaN Donor

(Power User) at 2011-02-04 00:02:27 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1343011 … tique.html

#1374791 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2011-02-04 00:07:43 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

VizlaN wrote:

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1343011/99cad906/egyptenaren_kegelen_door_het_corps_diplomatique.html

now that is some crazy shit.

Edit: nvm..viewed large you can see the carnage

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#1374806 by unknown[293451] at 2011-02-04 01:25:58 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

pharotorrent wrote:

Buddy42 wrote:

These pictures are from the Iranian protests. Can you provide similar pics from the protests in Egypt? I won't hold my breath while you try to find them. I really don't see why you are making excuses and justifying women being, essentially, left out of the political process. You, nor any of these protesters can claim to support freedom so long as you support people who would deny these same freedoms to others. You're not a freedom fighter if you only want certain groups of people to have freedom, duh!

I'll indulge your sillyness just for a moment. But I expect you'll let the adults talk after this.

An unprecedented number of Egyptian women participated in Tuesday�s anti-government protests. Ghada Shahbandar, an activist with the Egyptian Organization for Human Rights, estimated the crowd downtown to be 20 percent female. Other estimates were as high as 50 percent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqfySjCc … r_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwIY6ivf … r_embedded

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http://www.demotix.com/sites/default/fi … 577867.jpg

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http://www.demotix.com/sites/default/fi … 577869.jpg

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshow … 6_huge.jpg

I could have just posted this, but that would have been too easy:
http://www.globalpost.com/gallery/egypt … t-protests

CaN YOU SAY OWNED?

Hahahahaha! Look at the first picture there buddy! I clearly stated:

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Can you post some pics or link to a video which shows a significant female presence.

Notice the word in bold. Nearly half of the population are female. Your numbers of 20% female attendance simply doesn't fit with the pictures and videos that I have seen, including the ones you provided. Again, I'm not interested in token females. I wanted you to provide video or pictures of a significant female presence.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. What I meant by significant female presence was one which reflects females proportionately to the population. I think I counted six different females in the first youtube video provided. It's hilarious that you claim victory and "ownage" when the pictures and video you supplied doesn't even come close to proving that the female attendance was 20% as was claimed in your post. In fact, it shows the exact opposite and actually supports what I have been saying which is 99% of the protesters are male.

pharotorrent wrote:

I'll indulge your sillyness just for a moment. But I expect you'll let the adults talk after this.

You did nothing but indulge my position by providing pictures and video which clearly shows that women are not properly represented in these protests. So, pharotorrent let me ask you a personal question. Do you believe women deserve equal status to men under the law? Just curious. Owned? Haha, yea right. You owned yourself.

#1374813 by slitt3r90 (Power User) at 2011-02-04 03:06:50 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Buddy42, As I explained before, and as pharaohtorrent explained before, we let our women stay home cause of the violence. they were on the streets on the 25th. because there arent just enough photos of them for you to indulge whatever theory you have in mind, it doesnt mean that they weren't there.

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#1374815 by unknown[417104] at 2011-02-04 03:14:32 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Are you looking for pictures that show 1000 women all together in one big group?

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Can you provide similar pics from the protests in Egypt? I won't hold my breath while you try to find them.

You gave the challenge, with a smug "I won't hold my breath". I replied in kind. You obviously didn't think such pictures existed. I proved they did. Women are also out protesting.

Can you find me a protest against government that is bound to turn violent, with 50% females?

I'm curious what your definition of significant is. 20% is very high, and it seems you ignored the other estimate of 50%.

My pictures shows women are out on the streets.

You are clearly trying to make the point that women are nowhere to be seen.

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I'm looking at these pictures being posted and I'm noticing something is missing. Where are the women? Do they not want freedom as well?

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I'm not interested in token females. I was talking about the pictures and videos of the protests. There are very few if any women in the pictures and videos I have seen.

You are wrong. You won't see any women in the pictures that are widely circulated, because those are 99% about the violence. Women tend to stay away from gunfire and rock-throwing.

Then you go on about the islamic state blah blah blah. I bet you haven't ever been to Egypt. I bet you thought before you saw some of the pictures I posted, that all the women were forced in to full burqas and not allowed to drive etc.

Egypt and women are pretty liberal compared to other Arab countries.

In any case. I suspect you were just looking for a reason to bash Islam.
I hate fucking religion, but I don't just make up silly statements to create resentment.

Now here's a challenge to you. Can you find me pictures of any SIGNIFICANT female attendance during the 2008 Greek riots? Do they not want civil liberties? Why weren't they out protesting police brutality? Those damn Christians and their women hatin'

#1374816 by slitt3r90 (Power User) at 2011-02-04 03:21:00 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnE0nyS8fFo

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#1374822 by unknown[293451] at 2011-02-04 04:11:49 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

pharotorrent wrote:

Are you looking for pictures that show 1000 women all together in one big group?

Um, ya!

pharotorrent wrote:

You gave the challenge, with a smug "I won't hold my breath". I replied in kind. You obviously didn't think such pictures existed. I proved they did. Women are also out protesting.

I was smug because I was quite certain pictures of a significant female presence within the protests didn't exist, as I have seen many pictures and video and they all have the same thing in common, a complete lack of women proportionate to the population.

pharotorrent wrote:

I'm curious what your definition of significant is. 20% is very high, and it seems you ignored the other estimate of 50%.

demagh wrote:

1.5 million in cairo
.5 million in alexandria
.3 million in fayom + sohag + asyout
.1 million mahala
.1 million sharkeya
.2 million in suez
+ others all over egypt

and the above numbers were spotted this Tuesday, other numbers representing other/merged ppl were reported last Friday.

So according to you the amount of women within the protests were between 20%-50%, if the numbers provided by demagh are correct, then that would mean that there would have been between 540,000 - 1,350,000 women within the protest. Where are the videos of this? All the video I have seen simply doesn't match what you say. The only picture you provided which showed the backdrop of the protest was the first one in your reply, in which there was one women among a crowd of hundreds of men.

pharotorrent wrote:

You are clearly trying to make the point that women are nowhere to be seen.

No, I'm making the point that women are not proportionally present within the protests.

pharotorrent wrote:

You are wrong. You won't see any women in the pictures that are widely circulated, because those are 99% about the violence. Women tend to stay away from gunfire and rock-throwing.

You can't make the claim that, at one point women made up 20%-50% of the protests, a massive protest, and then claim it's reasonable there are no pictures and videos of massive amounts of women in the streets.

pharotorrent wrote:

Then you go on about the islamic state blah blah blah. I bet you haven't ever been to Egypt. I bet you thought before you saw some of the pictures I posted, that all the women were forced in to full burqas and not allowed to drive etc.

Yea, an Islamic State! What am I thinking! Will never happen! That's just crazy talk! :rolleyes:

And I must say that I am rather impressed that you guys are so modern that you allow your women to drive and not force them to wear the burqa. Congratulations!

pharotorrent wrote:

Egypt and women are pretty liberal compared to other Arab countries.

That's not really saying much.

pharotorrent wrote:

In any case. I suspect you were just looking for a reason to bash Islam.
I hate fucking religion, but I don't just make up silly statements to create resentment.

Nothing I've said is silly. It's actually quite reasonable. Yes, religion sucks, but currently Islam is by far the worst of the worst.

pharotorrent wrote:

Now here's a challenge to you. Can you find me pictures of any SIGNIFICANT female attendance during the 2008 Greek riots? Do they not want civil liberties? Why weren't they out protesting police brutality? Those damn Christians and their women hatin'

What happened in Greece in completely irrelevant . Riots broke out in Greece because a 15-year-old was killed by the Police. Hardly a valid comparison. You, and many other Egyptians claimed the protests were peaceful at first, and that there were at the very least hundreds of thousands of women within these protests, and the pictures and video do not show this. And Western nations are far from perfect but we don't exactly have a reputation for the institutionalized oppression of women.

#1374854 by Alibaba86 (Power User) at 2011-02-04 11:34:04 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

why is it important to you if the protesters are male or female?

#1374857 by demagh (User) at 2011-02-04 11:48:52 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Alibaba86 wrote:

why is it important to you if the protesters are male or female?

probably an introduction to a rant about women rights in the middle east which has its sides of truths and lies

btw, tried to reach al tahrir square, but seems like i started moving too late, ppl where there from dawn, i tried to reach them by noon, will try again a bit later

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#1374860 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2011-02-04 12:09:26 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

multiple opposition political forces in egypt have accepted negotiations with the current administration, (el-wafd, el-tagamo3)

edit:
most people in tahrir square right now have political agendas, like 'mulim brotherhood' and 'barad3y' followers and ofc there are some people who think that their opinion is is more important than the opinion of the rest of the egytians

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#1374867 by demagh (User) at 2011-02-04 13:04:36 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

well, some of Wise-men group created by A. Zweel are roaming the square now trying to gain popularity as "neutral" representatives.

Tantawy, Minister of Defense is there as well, still didn't hear anything about his presence, is he trying to get popular as well?! or just there to prove that the army is present with its leaders.

Amr Mousa is roaming the Square now, don't know why, is he trying to prove something ?! should've stayed where he was IMO, would have gained more respect if he stayed put till the regime is gone than going down and joining the ppl while still on the regimes respected personnels from both the regime and ppl.

M Refa'a al Tahtawy presented his resignation before he spoke into the ppl in el Goma'a prayers as not to represent El-Azhar in his speech which took the direction of joining the anti-mubarak protesters.

The 25th January movement succeeded, it is time to re-arrange the system/regime .. we should all "supporters and opposition" welcome those political symbols to have a leader soon, or we'll die by our own doings.

EDITED:
the muslim-brothers thing is what the regime is using to scare both the national and international public, don't fall for that please.

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#1374871 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2011-02-04 13:09:13 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

demagh wrote:

The 25th January movement succeeded, it is time to re-arrange the system/regime .. we should all "supporters and opposition" welcome those political symbols to have a leader soon, or we'll die by our own doings.

the only thing you wrote that i respected, (no offence intended).

and since this is a country and not a football team, we can just say 'change the manager'
this change need to be slow (few months) , to make sure that it is what the majority wants, because anyone stepping up now, will have his opposition that will go protest in the tahrir square untill they go, and we will have no country left by the end of this mess

EDIT:
no, the muslim brothers are supported by hezb-allah and iran

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#1374872 by demagh (User) at 2011-02-04 13:14:16 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

hmhef wrote:

the only thing you wrote that i respected, (no offence intended).

none taken, this point is supposed to gain the blessing of both sides anyway

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and since this is a country and not a football team, we can just say 'change the manager'
this change need to be slow (few months) , to make sure that it is what the majority wants, because anyone stepping up now, will have his opposition that will go protest in the tahrir square untill they go, and we will have no country left by the end of this mess

let's skip this part and keep what we agree on floating as the only option now.

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EDIT:
no, the muslim brothers are supported by hezb-allah and iran

Read Sai'ed Hawa's book "khatar el shie3a ka2im la kadim" and you'll understand what i mean.

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#1374927 by kneoghau (Power User) at 2011-02-04 17:15:31 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Buddy42 wrote:

I didn't notice a huge female present at the UK student protests a few months ago either, i guess they weren't affected seeing as in the restrictive UK woman stay at home in the kitchen spitting out babies and don't have educations or anything. Can you find me a picture of any protest (especially a violent one) with a significant female presence? Don't cheat and use the Suffragette movement either. Until you can do this your argument is invalid. I guess i can be all smug now

#1374941 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-02-04 18:31:13 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Judging from today's "Day of whatever" it doesn't seem like these protests are having the impact on the general Egyptian population as the media is leading us to believe. It just seems the main goal of these protests was to try and sway the military to their side which was never going to happen as Mubarak is and will always be one of them.

#1374962 by Rahvin (Power User) at 2011-02-04 19:30:10 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

"Day of whatever"? The military is mobilizing outside the presidential palace and the US has negotiated with the leaders and demanded Mubaraks resignation..

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