Protests in The ME and Africa

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#1374479 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2011-02-03 02:34:52 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

VeryBadGuy wrote:

dodeliatcha wrote:

alupigus wrote:

Welcome back to all our Egyptian members.Situation from Egypt remind me of the situation from my country 22 years ago when dictatorship fell ,back then I was one of the protesters.I`m sure in the end you`ll gain your freedom, don`t lose hope.

Yeah

Your profile says you're from the EU. Where exactly?

He happens to live in an EU country that lived under a vicious dictator for decades.You do understand that many Eastern European countries have been added to the EU since it begin right? One that kind of makes Mubarek look like a kindergarden teacher so you are kind of defensive for a guy living in a country that isn't his own aren't you?

And why attack Hmhef for his point of view?
people on here who have never been to Egypt posting all kinds of bullshit about what is best for the Egyptian people and when one actually speaks up and says he doesn't want these people in the streets his opinion is attacked with everybody trying to change his mind.

What the hell are you talking about? :S When did I attack Hmhef for his views? :S :S :S

I asked him for his opinion? I was surprised and I wanted him to tell me more about his situation and why he is pro-mubarak. I welcomed him and the others back to the TB community? I Asked them if they needed any aid.. Why do you interpret that as an attack? :S what the hell man??

I asked both the pro-mubaraks and anti-mubaraks for their views?? If you read my post? And then I agreed and said that people mostly got what they wanted from the protests anyways?

As for the other guy, his flag on his profile said he was from the EU, I was hoping to learn more about his ethnicity?? I do realize that eastern european countries have joined? And now I know his ethnicity..nothing defensive about

and I do live in my own country. I was born and raised here in sweden..lived here all my life., I am a swedish citizen and nothing else. My first language is swedish, after that english and after that arabic. I am a part of the swedish culture

and almost all of my friends are swedish ^^ and above all, I consider myself swedish.

Why did you interpret my previous 2 posts as defensive? They werent, i was happy that they were back online and i wanted to learn more..like i said, we dont know much here thats why we need to learn from the egyptians themselves...I even offered them aid and in fact I was really really happy when the came back. hmhef seems like a smart guy.

EDIT :: you must be annoyed with me when you read my posts, thats why you interpret them as "negative" when really my first posts to the egyptians was welcoming and i asked them for the opinions and how i could help with humanitarian aid?? I said welcome back everyone and then... ok hmhef, you are pro mubarak, tell me more about your situation and what you think about the regime before and during the protests..

please reread my post to the egyptians when they came back online, I didnt attack anyone..and I did say that its only the egyptians that know whats going on down there..

BTW hmhef, We know that the army is very respected in egypt, they wouldnt terrorize anyone

the F-16s flying around was probably to tell people that the army has resources and that they were not going anywhere. Atleast thats what I think :p I like the army , they act in a proffessional way

if im wrong or you'd like to add something please do so :p since as ive said in previous posts, you guys are the ones that are living in egypt...

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#1374495 by demagh (User) at 2011-02-03 03:58:19 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

before going into reading this post VBG, i took your reply seriously, if this wasn't your intention, just skip this post

VeryBadGuy wrote:

1.5 million out of how many? 79,089,650 to be exact...so where are the other 77.5 million people and what do they think?

1.5 million in cairo
.5 million in alexandria
.3 million in fayom + sohag + asyout
.1 million mahala
.1 million sharkeya
.2 million in suez
+ others all over egypt

and the above numbers were spotted this Tuesday, other numbers representing other/merged ppl were reported last Friday.

Also, the numbers were affected greatly by the number of ppl stayed to guard their homes.

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But 1.5 million lawless people in the streets of Cairo looting, pillaging, rioting and killing people. Lets think about where those non existant Mubarek supporters were? Hmmmm maybe at home not wanting to be killed by obviously armed and irrational people in the streets? Protecting their homes from the looters? I can think of thousands of places that they could have been. Oh wait..according to you they were setting fire to the National Museum :rofl:

- well, we didn't hear any supporter's voice for the first 8 days, even before the looting started, why start now?! And why all go down at once after the president's public speech?! How come they managed to go through all the military check points with their camels and horses?! and finally, where did the military go when they entered the square?! go figure
- looting started after the minister of internal affairs ordered the police force to retreat by the end of the former Friday, and the museum was attacked at first and protesters tried to join the army protecting it, at least some of them were concerned.
- over 8000 prisoners were reported ESCAPED at once from Tora, Wadi Al Natron Prisons at the same time creating a public panic, which is something that is having a big question mark .. go figure
- police personnels were spotted not wearing the uniform contributing in these massive loots
- this was dated by the 29th of the month, were the locals "and i am one of them" stopped 500+ criminals, the other days were a lot smoother
- the printing facility of the central bank was attacked next 6 hours after the retreat of the police forces.
- the museum was returned to safety after the first attempt to rob it, 1.5 million protesters spent a whole day in al tahrir square, 4 days later from last friday "this Tuesday" and suddenly when pro-mubarak protester group appears, it catches fire and molotov cocktails are being thrown at its entrance .. go figure.

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must have been right after they set fire to the national party hq.......

national party hq was burnt in more than 5 districts at the same time while the communications were down in a move that had no plan other to meet in certain parts and yell some stupid slogans .. go figure.

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I am not going to even bother replying to the rest of your post because it's obvious you are going to believe whatever rumor or lie or made up load of shit that suits you and no matter how many facts are shown to you you simply are not going to change your mind.

i don't care what a half Italian old man think of my beliefs in my country .. i am just trying to point things out if they weren't clear enough for anyone through the reported news

@zazou
well, thanks for your support, i am not worrying, i am just trying to report what seems to be missing from the international news if any "as i don't regularly watch them", this seems to be going on for like 4 days for you guys, 9 days for us .. trying to make the forum catch up a bit if needed and answer some unclear questions .. if any

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#1374503 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2011-02-03 04:27:59 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

We do hear your voices

as well as hmhef's who is worried about stability

btw this has been going on for 6 days for us in TB, this thread was created 29th january

29,30,31,1,2, and now february 3rd

but it was all over the news before we created this thread

it took two days before we created it

anyways, keep us updated please

all egyptians who are reading this

EDIT : hahah qbert95's comments are always so funny

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#1374526 by Sargoth (Power User) at 2011-02-03 07:37:25 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Caliphate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiRK0Q_7oxA&

#1374534 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2011-02-03 08:56:44 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

demagh wrote:

i don't care what a half Italian old man think of my beliefs in my country .. i am just trying to point things out if they weren't clear enough for anyone through the reported news

Well that was obvious wasn't it? I mean since you don't seem to give a damn even about what people who I respect and live in your country think about your country. And you aren't making anything clear by posting rumors and lies (at least according to official media outsource...but they can't be as accurate as what your grandmother's best friend's cousin's child saw right? Because he got that news from someone who was there! :rolleyes:

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#1374537 by slitt3r90 (Power User) at 2011-02-03 09:12:33 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

In Tahrir Square: Christians are protecting Muslims while they pray. I just love the people of my country

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#1374540 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2011-02-03 09:42:30 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Very nice picture slitt3r90. Good to see unity like that

We definately need more of that around the world.

Maybe the muslim brotherhood wont make a islamic caliphate after all. hahaha

In an increasingly global world with instant communication and travel.. this type of secularism and unity is exactly what we need

anyone agree with me?

I think that we the young people will help bring more peace around the world, we the internet generation I mean

.... I live in sweden and I live mostly the "swedish" way of life

but one thing i have noticed, is that so does everyone else -.-

Everybody listens to the same music on youtube (well not the same ofc but still). Everyone dresses the same now, when you look at these people's clothes they look almost like mine

We all play the same video games

we mostly watch the same movies..the differences between us are getting smaller and smaller, especially us young people who have had most of their lives

we use the same "soviet russia jokes on youtube

our parents and grand parents really cant say the same. while they thought their world was global, its nothing like now. and its nothing like its going to be in a few years, when people will have 100 mbits/s in the forest or in the desert

hehe.

lets not forget..the rising powers of asia are secular people with alot of "love" for science and math

EDIT : thats alot of smileys in one post..sorry :p haha

BTW are you really half italian VBG? like the other guy said??

are you an italian citizen? or just american citizen living in italy

hehe just curious thats all..since I know you live in italy, but you're profile says american

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#1374548 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2011-02-03 10:18:54 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

slitt3r90 wrote:

In Tahrir Square: Christians are protecting Muslims while they pray. I just love the people of my country

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me too..except when I go on holiday there and my wife actually leaves my side and gets treated like a whore when she is alone.....otherwise they are generally hospitable people

Edit: I am not half Italian and I am not old.. I just happen to live here and hold citizenship for both Italy and the US

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#1374551 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2011-02-03 10:35:16 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

VeryBadGuy wrote:

slitt3r90 wrote:

In Tahrir Square: Christians are protecting Muslims while they pray. I just love the people of my country

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Aha ok

I knew you weren't old though

Aha you hold dual citizenship ^^ I guess you consider yourself 100% american then?

just out of curiosity, arent you considered american-italian according to national and international law?

I mean when someone emmigrates to the united states from sweden for example and get american citizenship

they say he is a swedish-american

ive always wondered that about citizenship

so I dont mean anything bad since I know alot of people here in sweden who have dual citizenships im just curious ;P wanna understand more..

but in the end maybe its really about what you feel and what people/nation you identify yourself with

and where you were raised and where you got your education/culture.. I write this with respect no judgements or feelings hehe..

EDIT : to stay on-topic, please keep uploading photos guys

its very interesting.

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#1374553 by demagh (User) at 2011-02-03 10:52:02 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

VeryBadGuy wrote:

Well that was obvious wasn't it? I mean since you don't seem to give a damn even about what people who I respect and live in your country think about your country.

this is not about ppl who you respect, it is about those whom we hate. And yes, i don't give a damn about those you pointed out.

If you really think there are REAL supporters for mubarak, wait till he falls and see for yourself. All the talkers, supporters, shouters .. etc, are just doing that because of his last speech when he declared that he won't leave as a coward, but he'll stay to die in Egypt to be judged later on by HISTORY.

so ppl were like "OMG! the motherf!!ker is staying?!!! I must say/do something so that i won't be sold out or something"

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And you aren't making anything clear by posting rumors and lies (at least according to official media outsource...but they can't be as accurate as what your grandmother's best friend's cousin's child saw right? Because he got that news from someone who was there! :rolleyes:

can you point out exactly where are the rumors and lies, note that i mentioned that these numbers are estimates till a certain date collected from many sources?! and where and when weren't i present?!

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me too..except when I go on holiday there and my wife actually leaves my side and gets treated like a whore when she is alone.....otherwise they are generally hospitable people

well it is clear that places attracting tourists are filled with pro-mubarak protesters, you need to bring your wife to the anti-mubarak protesters to see the REAL gentleman treat to the foreign ladies

well, just kidding. Whenever tourists are contacted/encountered by lower educational levels/groups problems/discomforts are to be expected.

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I am not half Italian and I am not old.. I just happen to live here and hold citizenship for both Italy and the US

well, the point was, whoever you are .. it won't make a difference, unless you are an Egyptian trying to engage a better future for yourself and not afraid of change .. i don't care what your opinion is.

That's exactly what's holding us back right now.

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#1374560 by Dexter (Power User) at 2011-02-03 11:47:53 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Dno what some of you people are so happy about. Do you really want another fundamentalist islamist country in that part of the world? xD

#1374561 by THEBiZ (User) at 2011-02-03 11:50:29 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Seems like it's now also spreading to Yemen.

#1374566 by slitt3r90 (Power User) at 2011-02-03 12:18:47 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

if the Muslim brotherhood take control of the country, which I do not think will happen, but if they do I am leaving. I am a Muslim myself but I cant really trust whether they will be extremist or neutral.

#1374568 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2011-02-03 12:31:47 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

slitt3r90 wrote:

Don't leave

if they take over and rigg elections and stuff then fight them too!!

but I don't think they will take the country either hehehe

its cool that you're against extremism though

but hey slitter90 post some more pics

we wanna see more

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#1374569 by demagh (User) at 2011-02-03 12:32:49 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

slitt3r90 wrote:

if the undecided pattern of the country status makes you leave, what kept you all that time and what's keeping you now?!

just wondering

and don't worry, Muslim brotherhood won't take control of the country, they are lowering their voices now and not leading the protesters as they know that their plans are not clear enough for the public or generally accepted by the average Egyptian. They need to operate for like 10 more years in a world with no restrictions/freedom/no emergency law to gain such support from the public.

Their time hasn't come yet and they KNOW it.

All they do now is support for any democratic leader accepted by the public. Once there is a democratic regime they have a better chance of gaining popularity and support, but that's a plan they have been walking towards for the last 70+ years, no need to rush now.

#1374584 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2011-02-03 13:42:05 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

demagh wrote:

this is not about ppl who you respect, it is about those whom we hate. And yes, i don't give a damn about those you pointed out.

Sooo you hate people who hold an opinion different to yours? Do you know that hatred can blind you to the truth? It can help you believe things that rational levelheaded people would not give creedance to? Do you think that a mobo fo 1.5 million people who "hate" the people who support Mubarek were all sitting around, holding hands and singing songs of peace before the supporters showed up? Do you think it's far fetched to consider that those people could have realistically started violence?

Of course you cannot consider that because you are blinded by your hatred.

demagh wrote:

How about we start with your accusation that it was Mubarek supporters who broke in the National Museum and who tried to burn it to the ground? And I would like an UNBIASED account from a neutral source..not from a pro or anti Mubarek source. Or how about your insinuation that it was pro mubarek supporters who burned down their own party headquarters? From what I have read that you have posted you were not present for either one of them, they were not posted in any neutral news source and yet you have no problems perpetrating them on TB members as some how the "absolute truth" cause you are Egyptian.

demagh wrote:

well, just kidding. Whenever tourists are contacted/encountered by lower educational levels/groups problems/discomforts are to be expected.

Of couse..and my friends who spent years there teaching English in Cairo and other cities..they must have been teaching English at tourist resorts right? You should acknowledge that western women who are not covered etc are treated like whores by a lot of men in your country and other North African countries like Tunisia etc.

demagh wrote:

And yet I pointed out quite clearly that Hmehf IS Egyptian and you didn't care what he had to say. You attacked him, called him a liar, labled the things that he posted as "bullshit".

So basically what you have said is nothing more than "I refuse to acknowledge, listen to or even be polite to those whose opinions differ from mine no matter their ethinicity or nationality"

Very productive...posts like yours take me back to what I posted earlier...some people are not smart enough to know what is good for them. Letting the people in the streets of Egypt (if they think like you do) do as they please would be tantamount to giving a loaded gun to a monkey.

#1374600 by demagh (User) at 2011-02-03 14:25:54 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

VeryBadGuy wrote:

That's not the case, you are just twisting the words towards your point blindly forgetting the whole situation in Egypt, and forgetting that i am one of the concerned ppl living the situation internally by all its means.

We hate the regime that remained monitoring our phones, taking my friends and family members through emergency laws, making you think twice before saying any word about your REAL/FREE political opinion for 30 years now, yes i hate those .. and i am not ashamed.

if you want to respect those, of those who are afraid from them or those who want freedom with no sacrifice, feel free, but don't ask for my respect .. as i have none for those.

If you lived in Egypt as a political activist, religious person, writer, thinker or even scientist .. you'll know what i am talking about.

And yes, the violence all started from the pro-mubarak protesters and it was on the news everywhere except of course our local news stations .. why don't you believe other sources than me if you don't believe me?!

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well, these actions served them more than the anti-mubarak protesters bringing the army into the picture and removing it when needed before the anti-mubarak and pro-mubarak parties collapse .. if that's not enough proof for you in the current messy situations, you got the right not to accept it, but you don't have the right to turn it around on me/us/anti-mubarak protesters either.

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nah, you can't prove that either .. and generalizing a situation with friends doesn't make it a national behavior

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And yet I pointed out quite clearly that Hmehf IS Egyptian and you didn't care what he had to say. You attacked him, called him a liar, labled the things that he posted as "bullshit".

Exactly, he was comparing over 3 million protesters "all over egypt i mean", 300+ deaths and around of 4000+ total injuries now to what's happening between regular Egyptians with nothing to die for in a match with 120,000 attendees

If that's not bullsh!t, i don't know what is.

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So basically what you have said is nothing more than "I refuse to acknowledge, listen to or even be polite to those whose opinions differ from mine no matter their ethinicity or nationality"

Nah, i am just saying don't be fooled by the egyptian regime forces to gain sympathy, don't feed it with your fear, if you are doing that .. i hate you.

In any revolution recorded in history, i bet there were blood spilled everywhere, some deaths, some sacrifices .. but trying to turn that against protesters and say you are equally opposed is just bull, and that's not my opinion alone, from what i understand international stations are supporting anti-mubarak protesters

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Very productive...posts like yours take me back to what I posted earlier...some people are not smart enough to know what is good for them. Letting the people in the streets of Egypt (if they think like you do) do as they please would be tantamount to giving a loaded gun to a monkey.

yawn

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#1374606 by slitt3r90 (Power User) at 2011-02-03 15:06:30 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

@demagh what is making me stay is I want this country to be free from corruption. I want to live the good days (I hope) as I said, if muslim brotherhood take control I would leave cause I wouldnt want to live here while they manipulate islam. this is my great fear.

@dodeliatcha More pics for you mate:

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Yesterday when pro-mubarak clashed with anti mubarak

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Tear gas grenade

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Capturing one of pro-mubarak

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Yesterday when the clash happened, Army officer is crying cause he couldnt do anything for the protesters and a volunteer doctor was wiping his tears

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#1374609 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2011-02-03 15:16:38 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

demagh wrote:

I don't believe you simply because you are not the best source of unbiased information now are you? You come to Italy and you can watch 4 different news channels on 4 different stations and have 4 different points of view with conflicting information because those 4 channels have different political meanings and they are going to show you exactly what supports their beliefs and nothing more. Much like you are really only presenting one side of the story. The oddest thing is I believe that these restrictions on freedome have actually happened in Egypt and yet Egypt is still rated a country with more freedom than most of the Middle East by actual unbiased/untained organizations.

demagh wrote:

You are right, but someone had to have done it and the major portion of those demonstrating and running wild in the streets were not pro mubarek protesters now were they? I asked for a simple unbiased source for this story and you couldn't provide it. You provided innuendo and suppositions. I cannot say for certain you are wrong or that you are right as news sources did not differentiate between Protesters (Pro or Anti Mubarek) no looters. All I said was show me a source of information and I would happily believe you. But you cannot and you also cannot accept the fact that since there is no definitive source of information that it just might..it just might have been protesters who tried to loot the museum and set it on fire. Also most people would believe protesters tourched the national party headquarters out of anger and protest than that some pro mubarek people tourched it in some way to paint protesters in some bad light.

demagh wrote:

nah, you can't prove that either .. and generalizing a situation with friends doesn't make it a national behavior

Yes of course I can't..I can only base it on my wife's experience and those of the unaccompanied females that have all repeated this accusation no matter where they went in Egypt. We all know how well the rights of women are respected in Arabic countries don't we? :rolleyes:

demagh wrote:

If an exageration is bullshit then I guess when people say that "majority of Egyptians" want Mubarek gone and then can only show me 3 million protesters out of 79 million. If using your standards we can say that stament is "bullshit" too?

demagh wrote:

In any revolution recorded in history, i bet there were blood spilled everywhere, some deaths, some sacrifices .. but trying to turn that against protesters and say you are equally opposed is just bull, and that's not my opinion alone, from what i understand international stations are supporting anti-mubarak protesters

Not in Italy (Egypts biggest trade partner) nobody really cares. The news is more concerned about which underage girl the PM is fucking this week than the plight of the anti-mubarek protesters in Egypt.
You know what? There have been several "revolutions" in Eastern Europe in the past decade and I am not saying anything bad about those that managed to overthrow their governments because they did so in a peacful way. Nobody went into the streets and started throwing molotov cocktails at each other. Arabs are just too passionate about things like politics and when you put that many people together and introduce people of an opposing mindset you are going to get violence and the simple fact is that history tends to prove that it takes two to tango so to speak. Neither party is completely innocent no matter what you choose to believe.

demagh wrote:

Yawn

#1374611 by deviant47 (Power User) at 2011-02-03 15:36:46 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

What "revolutions" are you talking about? The only way to remove a dictator from power IS by violence and a collective show of force from the people. If you are not allowed to voice your oppinion and a dictator controls your country with an iron fist then how else are you supposed to accomplish anything? I truly believe that this time of unrest that will happen in Egypt in the coming years is an absolute necessity for the long term well beeing of the people of Egypt. Historically if people didnt make these sacrifices we wouldnt have democracy ANYWERE if the people of the french revolution wouldnt have been willing to take the risk and face many many years of unrest we would not have democracy in the west. Or what about the violent uprising of americans against the forces of england, there would be no USA.

I have no doubt that things will get worse for the people in Egypt in the years to come BUT this is imo the first step on a road any developed country will have to take sooner or later.

Also bringing up Italy as an example of how democracy isnt all that great is hardly fair as Italy is definately the worst case scenario and bordering on not beeing a democracy at all.

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#1374615 by demagh (User) at 2011-02-03 15:48:13 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

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lol

nice shooting though .. i bet he hit the target 6 times in the same exact first bullet hole

i am tried, you are taking me away into side discussions where we will talk forever

i am gonna save it for tomorrow or may be .. forever

oh, and that's what makes me hate the regime, just for the heck of it as i am not discussing this anymore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRswI8ol … _embedded#

@slitt3r90
i knew what your answer will be, was just hitting a nerve

but if islam is not the ruling you want for your country, you should also stay and fight for that .. as you fought against corruption .. if islam is another corruption, fight it

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#1374622 by slitt3r90 (Power User) at 2011-02-03 16:18:26 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

@demagh

Don't twist what I said. I do not mind islam as the ruling of my country, I mind manipulating islam to rule my country. If you know what I mean.

#1374625 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2011-02-03 16:26:11 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

@demagh

1. stop exaggerating numbers, tahrir square can not handle more than 100~200k people max, and there is no way those big estimates you wrote are close to the truth, people who protested that they want mubarak tuesday the 1st of february are much bigger in numbers imo, and spreaded all over the counrty even more, and no violent happened from them, except the 10 camels infront of the tv stations cameras.

2. many people protesting on jan 25 tuesday, didnt even want mubarak gone

3. if you want to say that since 10 people have camels want mubarak to stay, proofs that he is really that bad, ... then what about what happened on friday the 28th from the opposition ?

4. people protesting and want mubarak gone, were the only protestors before that friday the 28th, people who like mubarak, didnt care to do anything, because he is already in place, and nothing need to change

5. the opposition should stop saying their opinion that they want mubarak gone, it is not their decision alone, if they want him gone, they should go to the next election and say so, if he is running again, right now the blood shed should stop, because it has no justification whatsoever

6. I have my opposite opinion to alot of mubarak decisions, but not to the level to remove his as a tyrant or a deicatator, infact between all the opposition forces present today (muslim-brothers , el-wafd , el-barad3y , external-peace-froce) , he would have been the one getting my vote in any election.

#1374630 by demagh (User) at 2011-02-03 16:47:14 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

slitt3r90 wrote:

@demagh

Don't twist what I said. I do not mind islam as the ruling of my country, I mind manipulating islam to rule my country. If you know what I mean.

good, fight that instead of leaving, whatever you mean by it

@hmhef
1. el tahreer square can handle more than 5 million, ppl centering themselves in al tahrir square can extend to nasr city for all i care, and i am not exaggerating, i am just reporting what bbc arabic said + al arabia, cairo got like 20 mil citizens, if tahrir square, ramsis abdel monem reyad square "which are all ridiculously close to each other" can't handle these numbers, what the hell can?

i remember a video talking about the world's population can all be standing in the state of California or one of the american states, 7 billion ppl standing on one states, help me out if you find the video

2. true, they were yelling "citizens want to bring down the system" .. i didn't want him to leave either, but now it is different

3. what happened on Friday 28th from the opposition? what are your sources?! how can you be sure you are talking about the opposition here, review my previous quotes with VBG, what can't be proven can't be disproved. this point we can both use equally, let's leave it as it is.

4. can't ... read .. in .. bold .. but seriously
- he stayed 4 days to respond, 12am Saturday, hell i was going to sleep
- it took the Egyptian stations and news 3 days to start reporting that there is a strike in tahrir
- he is 82 years old, driving an old bus with his son on his lap, i deserve a better driver.
- ppl who like mubarak didn't speak before his 2nd speech, that was announced 1/2/2011, 11:30 pm >>>> i don't know why so late, seriously.

5. no they shouldn't, why should they stop saying that, is it against the law

?! also, the Constitution rebuilding is one of the demands as it was changed a lot and contradicting itself in may verses.

6. i won't go voting as long as he is leading, votes are being rigged and the videos on youtube might give you a hint on what's really happening/happened in voting booths

Last edited by demagh at 2011-02-03 17:02:09

#1374636 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2011-02-03 17:03:30 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Thank you for the pictures. I take it not your own most of them, or?

Last edited by hOG at 2011-02-03 17:04:07

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