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#1500712 by Timex (Power User) at 2012-10-06 02:54:25 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Firm fires 12,000 wildcat strikers in South Africa months after another firm fired 17,000 workers.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012 … ocid=msnhp


Looks like cuts from the movie Sector District 9.


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http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012 … apons?lite

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#1500764 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-10-06 15:26:05 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Timex wrote:


Looks like cuts from the movie Sector 9.

District 9. And hardly surprising since it takes place in a township.

The whole situation is quite the mess.

Lonmin, Amplats, Gold Fields and several other companies have been suffering these wild cat strikes for months now. The strikers hinder other workers and threaten them, engage in union feuds, kill eachother and policemen. The government is backing the mining companies while Julius Malema (controversial former leader for ANC's youth league) supports the miners and uses the situation to launch attacks against Zuma.

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EDIT: drone of unknown origin shot down over Israel.
http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=286845

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qbert: looks like the inflation in Iran is increasing and food prices are increasing rapidly.

Last edited by bolg at 2012-10-06 16:00:03

#1500779 by wardukeDonor (Power User) at 2012-10-06 17:17:44 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Isn't the rest of the world a good ten years behind the USA on drone tech?  Makes me think it is either one of America's or some kids RC Airplane.

#1500782 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-10-06 17:24:05 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

warduke wrote:

Isn't the rest of the world a good ten years behind the USA on drone tech?  Makes me think it is either one of America's or some kids RC Airplane.

well Iran has one of our most advanced drones that they captured which undoubtedly is in the hands of the Chinese by now and our good old buddy Israeli have probably already reversed engineered our drones and are selling the tech to the highest bidder as usual.

#1500783 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-10-06 17:30:22 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

warduke wrote:

Isn't the rest of the world a good ten years behind the USA on drone tech?  Makes me think it is either one of America's or some kids RC Airplane.

The US has the most diverse fleet as far as I know, but I wouldn't say you are 10 years ahead in tech.

*tin foil hat on* False flag attack to give Israel a reason to attacks its neighbours? :-O

#1500788 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-10-06 17:46:40 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

"Contrary to Palestinian reports, it appears the UAV did not originate in the Gaza strip."

Ya think? :lol:

US drone technology is nowhere near what it's claimed to be.  If it weren't for rangers getting sent out to blow or recover the pos devices every family in Afghanistan would have one.  Grumman, nor the Pentagon, will never concede to their abysmal record.

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#1501371 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-10-10 19:30:40 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Final update to the Libya story and to nobody's  surprise it turns out Obama  lied and the state department threw him under the bus today to save their own asses....

State Dept reveals new details of Benghazi attack

so it was a preplanned attack that had absolutely nothing to do with the video. Just goes to show you how quickly some people are willing to give up our most important constitutional right based on lies of politicians trying to get reelected.

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#1501389 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-10-10 20:51:10 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

qbert95 wrote:

Final update to the Libya story and to nobody's  surprise it turns out Obama  lied and the state department threw him under the bus today to save their own asses....

State Dept reveals new details of Benghazi attack

so it was a preplanned attack that had absolutely nothing to do with the video. Just goes to show you how quickly some people are willing to give up our most important constitutional right based on lies of politicians trying to get reelected.

What a massive cock-up. Glad it's being revealed though. A bit alarming how easily the safety rooms can be compromised though, isn't it?

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The taliban claim responsibility for shooting a teenage Pakistani girls' rights activist.

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A 14-year-old Pakistani student who won international acclaim for speaking out for girls barred from school by the Taliban was critically wounded Tuesday by a gunman who boarded her school bus, asked for her by name, aimed his pistol at her head and fired, officials said.

The Pakistani Taliban asserted responsibility for the attack on ninth-grader Malala Yousafzai, who gained notice in early 2009 when she wrote a diary about Taliban atrocities under a pen name for the BBC’s Urdu service. Yousafzai lives in Mingora, a city in the scenic northwestern Swat Valley, where Taliban insurgents imposed harsh Islamic law for two years before being routed by a major military operation in May 2009.

Taliban says it shot Pakistani teen for advocating girls’ rights

Honestly, we can't help these countries. Not as long as elementary education is in a free fall while Quran schools are replacing them, all with the governments' approval.

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#1501407 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-10-11 00:23:41 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

bolg wrote:

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What a massive cock-up. Glad it's being revealed though. A bit alarming how easily the safety rooms can be compromised though, isn't it?.

it is sounding even worst than that apparently there were dozens of incidents against the consulate prior to the attack and they even cut the security contingent against the ambassadors wishes.  Of course what is typical of the "press" on the BBC world news site right now the lead story is not this new damning information about the Obama administration trying to cover up the assassination of a n ambassador and pinning it on some nobody american who made a movie placing his life at risk, but on evil Romney telling a story about how he had met one of the seals by chance at a holiday party.

#1501414 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-10-11 01:32:21 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

We've got multiple dead Americans, including an ambassador and several decorated service men due to Obama and Hillary's gross incompetence, and a blatant in your face cover up by the highest levels of government. 

Of course it's not news worthy to the Obama sack sucking news outlets.

#1501423 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-10-11 02:27:09 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

mbodnar wrote:

We've got multiple dead Americans, including an ambassador and several decorated service men due to Obama and Hillary's gross incompetence, and a blatant in your face cover up by the highest levels of government. 

Of course it's not news worthy to the Obama sack sucking news outlets.

exactly dont expect the interview of one of the other dead americans mother who is sick of constantly being lied to about how her son died to make the bbc front page...

Mother of Slain State Dept. Official Tired of Being Lied To and Stonewalled by Obama Administration

the bbc has a narrative to create about Romney

#1501427 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-10-11 03:06:22 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

In fairness she's a rightfully pissed off woman but the place was chaos.  It could be hard to say for certian exactly how he died if there were no direct witnesses.

#1501470 by VeryBadGuyDonor (Mad Ultra Mod) at 2012-10-11 13:30:10 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

mbodnar wrote:

We've got multiple dead Americans, including an ambassador and several decorated service men due to Obama and Hillary's gross incompetence, and a blatant in your face cover up by the highest levels of government.

Take out Obama and Hillary and replace with Bush and Cheney

may I ask where the fuck was your righteous indignation then?
I'll bet you are ready with a hundred excuses as to why GWB told the world a bold faced fucking lie that cost the lives of 6,280 US soldiers in a bullshit war on terror

#1501472 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-10-11 15:01:45 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

In a tent outside Baquba. 

The justification for the Iraq invasion is certainly argueable, but the two situations have nothing  in common.  Press coverage of the matter was the point.  Bush got crucified by the press for a debatable lie, but Obamas bullshit story that his own state department debunked barely gets mentioned.

#1501483 by VeryBadGuyDonor (Mad Ultra Mod) at 2012-10-11 17:54:08 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

mbodnar wrote:

The justification for the Iraq invasion is certainly argueable, but the two situations have nothing  in common.  Press coverage of the matter was the point.  Bush got crucified by the press for a debatable lie, but Obamas bullshit story that his own state department debunked barely gets mentioned.

I love how blatent lies on the floor of the UN are reduced to  simply "debateable" while Obama's is a "bullshit story" :lol:

Don't get me wrong neither one is correct not even close, but the fucking hypocricy of republicans taking anybody to task about being honest to the public is laughable

#1501484 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-10-11 18:02:49 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

VeryBadGuy wrote:


Don't get me wrong neither one is correct not even close, but the fucking hypocricy of republicans taking anybody to task about being honest to the public is laughable

of course Bush lied there is no debate to that the point I was making is only one party ever gets called out for it. And in this case not only does Obama not get called out for it the press actually try to spin it to make Romney the bad guy.

In other ME news the syrian conflict is escalating even more....

Turkey, Seeking Weapons, forces Syrian Jet from Russia to Land

this really has the potential of drawing in some major powers, very scarey.

#1501486 by VeryBadGuyDonor (Mad Ultra Mod) at 2012-10-11 18:19:10 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

qbert95 wrote:



of course Bush lied there is no debate to that the point I was making is only one party ever gets called out for it. And in this case not only does Obama not get called out for it the press actually try to spin it to make Romney the bad guy.

Only one party ges called out on lying?

I seem to remember a recent democrat president being almost impeached for openly "lying" about fucking his intern :lol:

Bush might have been taken to task in papers but at least Clinton's lie only cost the US taxpayers the price of drycleaning a dress

#1501487 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-10-11 18:22:51 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

VeryBadGuy wrote:

qbert95 wrote:



of course Bush lied there is no debate to that the point I was making is only one party ever gets called out for it. And in this case not only does Obama not get called out for it the press actually try to spin it to make Romney the bad guy.

Only one party ges called out on lying?

I seem to remember a recent democrat president being almost impeached for openly "lying" about fucking his intern :lol:

Bush might have been taken to task in papers but at least Clinton's lie only cost the US taxpayers the price of drycleaning a dress

You are kidding right the press actually tried to cover that whole thing up until Drudge got a hold of it and made it public.

#1501493 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-10-11 19:00:44 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

That's because nobody knows for sure if it was a lie or not. Clearly it could have been, but there are also many other possible reasons why stockpiles of WMD were not found in Iraq.  Therefore, debatable is the proper term.  Any soldier or marine who spent 2 months in a mop suit can tell you that the military took the threat seriously. 

On the other hand the current administration had all the information in hand, as attested to by their own people, and chose to conceal it by blaming the attacks on some bullshit youtube video as to not make their foreign policy appear lacking just before an election.  The fact Obama and his surrogates  were all over tv spouting things they knew weren't true is NOT debatable.

#1501498 by Timex (Power User) at 2012-10-11 19:20:16 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

VeryBadGuy wrote:



I seem to remember a recent democrat president being almost impeached for openly "lying" about fucking his intern :lol:


He was not "almost impeached"...he was impeached and remains the only living President to be so.

#1501500 by VeryBadGuyDonor (Mad Ultra Mod) at 2012-10-11 19:44:30 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Timex wrote:

He was not "almost impeached"...he was impeached and remains the only living President to be so.

Only by the house not the senate...the senate aquitted him and he remained in office

@mbodnar
it's cute that you still try to defend the wmd lie. It was and remains as clear a lie a "I did not have relations with that woman" no matter how you try to justify it. I had no problems attacking afghanistan but every reason to attack iraq has been shown to be a lie or blatent hypocricy (ie we attacked them because they failed to comply with un resolutions) thus the need to change the reason to "we are bringing democracy to the Iraqi people"

even Qbert admits the idea of wmds was a fairytale.

and again I am not defending obama for lying..just sayin those in glass houses..................

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#1501501 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-10-11 19:47:10 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

mbodnar wrote:

"Contrary to Palestinian reports, it appears the UAV did not originate in the Gaza strip."

Ya think? :lol:

Hezbollah has now claimed responsibility for the drone and claims it was made in Iran. A very interesting and, for Israel, convenient development.

#1501504 by Timex (Power User) at 2012-10-11 19:55:13 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

VeryBadGuy wrote:

Timex wrote:

He was not "almost impeached"...he was impeached and remains the only living President to be so.

Only by the house not the senate...the senate aquitted him and he remained in office


Impeachment steps:

Step 1:
The House decides if a crime has been committed and they impeach.

Step 2:
The Senate decides if the crime warrants firing the person who has been impeached. 

He is and will always remain impeached.

#1501505 by VeryBadGuyDonor (Mad Ultra Mod) at 2012-10-11 19:59:24 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Timex wrote:

He is and will always remain impeached.

that's like saying gwb will always be an asshole it's a fact with zero actual ramifications

#1501508 by Timex (Power User) at 2012-10-11 20:05:48 (9 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

VeryBadGuy wrote:

Timex wrote:

He is and will always remain impeached.

that's like saying gwb will always be an asshole it's a fact with zero actual ramifications

I have been called an asshole and latter the same people have changed opinions.

Impeachment is for life.

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