Protests in The ME and Africa

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#1497532 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-09-14 11:36:28 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

uh oh....

Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'

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According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted.

media gonna have to work overtime trying to figure out how Romney is somehow responsible for this.

If this is true, it'll be hard for Obama to ride the Usama-wave with this failure so close to the election.

#1497545 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-09-14 13:16:00 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Of course they knew, they issued that apology in an attempt to stave off the attack.

#1497553 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-09-14 14:11:39 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Now in Sudan British and German embassies attacked by savages because of a youtube movie. The idea of a Fort Europe becomes ever more attractive.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19602177

#1497554 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-09-14 14:14:38 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

funny related story in The Onion...

No One Murdered Because Of This Image

WASHINGTON—Following the publication of the image above, in which the most cherished figures from multiple religious faiths were depicted engaging in a lascivious sex act of considerable depravity, no one was murdered, beaten, or had their lives threatened, sources reported Thursday. The image of the Hebrew prophet Moses high-fiving Jesus Christ as both are having their erect penises vigorously masturbated by Ganesha, all while the Hindu deity anally penetrates Buddha with his fist, reportedly went online at 6:45 p.m. EDT, after which not a single bomb threat was made against the organization responsible, nor did the person who created the cartoon go home fearing for his life in any way. Though some members of the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths were reportedly offended by the image, sources confirmed that upon seeing it, they simply shook their heads, rolled their eyes, and continued on with their day

#1497580 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-09-14 15:44:01 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

KFC in Lebanon attacked.

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#1497596 by Timex (Power User) at 2012-09-14 16:54:40 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Why is it the news keeps calling them "angry protesters" instead of "rioting thugs" ?

#1497599 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-09-14 17:20:25 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

This is fucking crazy. I urge everyone to post as many movies and clips against mohammad as they can..and all the other religions. This is the fucking internet..our generation's wild wild west. And that is the way it should be. NO government interference in the internet. Its up to each family and individual to protect himself.

If you dont like it, don't fucking go online..

shit...150-200 million people will join the internet every year the next decade.. they go batshit crazy over a videoclip from the other side of the planet...

there are now more cellphones than there are people...hundrads of trillions of messages every year..wtf are they thinking..Google (the owners of youtube) just blocked the anti muhammad video on youtube. This isnt the time to back down from our values, this is exactly when we reaffirm them..but I guess google is more concerned about money.

anyways, considering how crazy the ME is..what is the appetite for war with Iran everyone? Timex, Mbodnar, chaser and vbg..

Im sure you guys wanna borrow trillions of dollars (from China) with interest rate to go to war against Iran..while China keeps growing..just like it has been for a decade now..while you have been mired up in middle eastern deserts.. and it will keep getting money from the west. EU and the US...at the same time propping up anti western regimes with weapons and other technology, buying african resources..

Keep in mind that Iran has more land than Iraq and Afghanistan combined, and more people that Iraq and Afghanistan combined -.- lol..What a fucking mistake the Iraq war was, removing Irans worst enemy..(Saddam). A real strategic blunder.. good job..

EDIT :::: After all this, I do wonder if we should allow mullahs to go nuclear..

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#1497631 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-09-14 19:42:11 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

dodeliatcha wrote:

Against Muhammad? You only have to draw Muhammad to cause this much of a stir. The youtube movie is based on the Quran and ahadith, which do not themselves when it comes to the important things paint a positive portrait of Muhammad either. The worst being his marriage to a six year old girl and the sex he had with her when she was 9. Those things are described in great detail in the ahadith. Very few of the Muhammad cartoons were not against Muhammad either. Few have. Lars Vilks did one of Muhammad as a dog and a french satire magazine did a satire of Muhammad and their office got burned down to the ground. It doesn't have to be for or against.

Either way, they got want they wanted. Latest news is that Google blocked access to the videos on youtube preventing Egyptians and Libyans from seeing them.

PS: This what you had in mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvx8maHXLAU ...

/edit - the ahadith

"Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old."
- Sunan Abu Dawud (2116)

In others it is described how she plays with dolls and how Muhammad when he was fasting sucked her tongue. When he died Aisha was 18 years old.

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#1497649 by warduke Donor

(Power User) at 2012-09-14 20:55:38 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I do not believe that the attacks that killed 4 in Libya had anything to do with the video. There are hundreds of different militant groups that were once "freedom fighters" running around with their weapons still. The Ambassador was focused on helping what little ruling government there was in removing those weapons. This is what I believe he was targeted and killed for. Not some stupid internet video. The video itself was just a shit coincidence. 9/11 is a big deal across the world now, so it's not unreasonable think of these two events as unrelated.

Now, in the USA, it is against the law to scream "Fire" in a building, even though there is "freedom of speech". You can also be jailed for inciting a riot in the USA. So those behind that video need to be located and arrested. This includes anyone that touched it from inception to distribution. Let the courts get to the bottom of it, while at the same time drawing a line in the sand to would-be future dicks. You do not have to be a non citizen to be a threat to national security.

Every Soldier knows this,

"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Worth noting that the last part is optional. Something we take for granted in a country that has access to everything when judging those who have nothing. Nothing but their faith. Regardless if one agrees with that faith, its teachings or lack thereof.

Now, I am in no way supporting these riots. I think they are completely misplaced, but my life, as shitty as it can sometimes be, is far more stable than many of the Islamic faith.

You take a man, break him down. Build him up and break him down again. Repeat the cycle over and over for decades. Now allow him to fight back and break the cycle, only to find out that he is no better than he was prior. Now take a former ally of one of those forces that kept breaking you down and bare witness to the fact that their idea of democracy means that they are allowed to spit in the face of the one good thing you happen to have in your life, your religion, and tell me that you are not going to go ape shit over anything and everything that reminds you of it.

Again, I am not looking to excuse the behavior, but the biggest mistake those on the outside can make is not understanding where all these feelings are coming from.

These are reasonable people, believe it or not, but reasonable voices are often drowned out during times of great emotion. Is that NOT how we, the USA, ended up invading a country that had nothing to do with the attacks against us? Tell me it isn't, liar.

It was only when cooler heads prevailed that the country as a whole came to realize just how fucked up we were to invade in the first place.

We were so completely bonkers, that we actually had Americans buying French wine so they could dump it out on the streets in protest of France not supporting our decision to invade Iraq. Let us not forget that we stopped ordering French Fries and began ordering FREEDOM FRIES...

YES it is fucked up about the riots. YES, Americans have died, though I find it unlikely it was related to the trailer. YES riots are not only continuing, but spreading.

If there is one lesson that we Americans should take from this, is that while we have "Freedom of Speech", it should never be used as a weapon against those without it.

Final thought if you made it this far... After reading all of that, who can honestly say that this was not a form of self terrorism inflicted on Islam, by Islam? If it's not, it should have been, because it's brilliant.

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#1497650 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-09-14 21:08:01 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Arrested? For mocking Mohamed? Half the people on this site should be in prison by that logic.

Bend over sniper, it's time for your cavity search before the gulag for your blasphemy in the random pic thread.

#1497653 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-09-14 21:19:45 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

warduke wrote:

Now, in the USA, it is against the law to scream "Fire" in a building, even though there is "freedom of speech". You can also be jailed for inciting a riot in the USA. So those behind that video need to be located and arrested. This includes anyone that touched it from inception to distribution. Let the courts get to the bottom of it, while at the same time drawing a line in the sand to would-be future dicks. You do not have to be a non citizen to be a threat to national security.

It's scary that you even believe this.

#1497654 by warduke Donor

(Power User) at 2012-09-14 21:22:50 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

mbodnar wrote:

And zooom. Flew right over you didn't it. If the focus of the film was to incite a riot and be a threat to the national security of the country from which it was made in, than that is criminal.

Half the people on this site don't actively seek to incite violence from a religion that they don't agree with either mbodnar. You take your freedom for granted. You're the reason they put those warning labels on toasters about NOT sticking a fork into them while toasting bread.

Your logic dictates that I could move to Mississippi, go out at night and burn a cross on my own lawn thinking that nothing will come of it because I am just "expressing myself"...

Give me a break.

@qbert, ah but I do to an extent. I trust that both of you are responsible enough NOT to do such things, but you cannot honestly tell me you wouldn't seek justice if it happened to you.

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#1497656 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-09-14 21:25:34 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

warduke wrote:

mbodnar wrote:

And zooom. Flew right over you didn't it. If the focus of the film was to incite a riot and be a threat to the national security of the country from which it was made in, than that is criminal.

a person cannot be responsible for how others react to their opinions. This is not Europe where people get arrested for trolling.

#1497657 by warduke Donor

(Power User) at 2012-09-14 21:31:07 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

a person cannot be responsible for how others react to their opinions. This is not Europe where people get arrested for trolling.

When it comes to media, in today's society, yes. You cannot honestly tell me that this video was made for anything other than to create more unrest.

I'm not even saying that I agree with those rioters. All I am saying is that we take our freedoms for granted and we should be more responsible with it.

It took us over 175 years just to get to the freedoms we have now and this is our attitude? phff.

#1497660 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-09-14 21:36:09 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

warduke wrote:

It took us over 175 years just to get to the freedoms we have now and this is our attitude? phff.

yes it took us 175 years and a lot of bloodshed and we are not going to give them up because cowards like you are afraid of savages who hold their imaginary deity above them.

#1497661 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-09-14 21:39:07 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

warduke wrote:

mbodnar wrote:

And zooom. Flew right over you didn't it. If the focus of the film was to incite a riot and be a threat to the national security of the country from which it was made in, than that is criminal.

a person cannot be responsible for how others react to their opinions. This is not Yurup where people get arrested for trolling.

Not in my country, American.

#1497662 by warduke Donor

(Power User) at 2012-09-14 21:45:36 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

How am I a coward? Because I choose to take a stand against people in this country whose primary focus is to incite others to the extent of violence? I'm not the one being a coward here. It takes balls to step up and acknowledge fault. Any lame dick can sit with the crowd and shift blame. You'd fit right in with those rioters Q..

You can say whatever you would like. You can publish however you would like. My thoughts on the matter is to go for it. However, if your actions lead to causing harm to others, be it physical or property, expect to be prosecuted for the part you played in it, however minor you make believe it to be.

#1497664 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-09-14 22:02:57 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Take my rights for granted? Wrong. I spent half a lifetime defending them, and yours, before passing the torch to younger, more able bodied mbodnar's.

What you want to be is thought police and think you know what the guys motivation was/is, which you can't possibly know, let alone prove in a court of law.

These riots have jack shit to do with that guys movie anyways, it's a convenient cover story.

#1497667 by warduke Donor

(Power User) at 2012-09-14 22:08:33 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Maybe, but that's why bringing it to the courts is reasonable imo.

I'm not asking for laws to be created to take away anyone's freedoms, but one should be held responsible if those freedoms are used to incite violence. Like I said in my OP. it is against the law to yell fire where there is none and it is against the law to incite a riot in this country as well. So it's not like America is the land of the totally free speech. Heck, you cannot even protest within a certain range of a political event in this country.

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#1497668 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-09-14 22:09:29 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

This is not Europe where people get arrested for trolling.

Wtf are you talking about qbert95?

We in the nordic countries are far more free than you americans. Do you think that the first amendment is only enshrined in the united states constitution? We have them too, and we can say whatever the fuck we want..eat whatever we want..and dress the way we want..

Please check the economist democracy index, the worlds number one source. (American).

I can burn images of the prime minister on the street outside his home..and people would give a shit..

In fact, he would probably walk past me without guards and simply to say hi.

We also happen to rank ahead of you when it comes to human rights and press/journalist freedoms and protection.

Economist Democracy Index. - Altough the report is from 2007, we in Sweden still outrank the US by far, in fact..we are number one in that list. Sweden - 1st American - 17th

Reporters Without Borders Press Freedom. - As you can see, we far outrank your country. Constantly in the top, with all the nordic countries. - Sweden 10th.. America.. 48th..

Have you ever been here?

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#1497671 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-09-14 22:15:40 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

dodeliatcha wrote:

qbert95 wrote:

This is not Europe where people get arrested for trolling.

Wtf are you talking about qbert95? ?

yeah I should have been more specific as I was referring to the UK mainly.....

https://www.google.com/search?q=uk+arre … t+trolling

#1497673 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-09-14 22:22:02 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

yeah I should have been more specific as I was referring to the UK mainly.....

Aha ok, well Yeah that is kind of funny, but this is serious chat

#1497674 by warduke Donor

(Power User) at 2012-09-14 22:24:43 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

If this is referring to the Tom Delay twitter stuff, I believe there were multiple death threats from that poster towards Tom and others. Even if it was a joke, it still should be taken seriously. It is a crime for a US citizen to put a death threat on the US President after all. Not to mention threatening, say your ex-girlfriend, will most likely get you a visit by your local police as well.

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#1497676 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-09-14 22:38:43 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Wasn't it the UK the banned Michael Savage?

#1497678 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-09-14 22:49:29 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

mbodnar wrote:

Wasn't it the UK the banned Michael Savage?

Yeah.

Btw, nobody answered by question about war on Iran, will the american accept another war? by borrowing trillions with interest rate from China, will China grows unchecked and props up anti-american regimes around the world.?

I was also talking about how Iran, has more land than Iraq and Afghanistan combined, and a larger population than both combined. Their oil exports are also more important than iraqs oil, through the strait of hormuz. It also has a massive defensive capability, through asymmetric warfare. Through armed militias. They got used to this in the iraq-iran war..when 1 million people died, They practically ran in waves against the iraqis. In so called human wave attacks..

Iranian leaders are asshole, but we should be careful about. Most of NATO/EU will probably be involved if the US goes to war..

Or does the "threat" outweigh whatever might happen?

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