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#1497284 by DrevoKocour (Power User) at 2012-09-12 16:37:06 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

If what VBG insinuates is that using violence as a tool is all it takes to be lumped into the same group, then hello USA, you are Taliban, hello former Czechoslovakia, you are Taliban too!

#1497286 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-09-12 16:46:56 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

VeryBadGuy wrote:

hOG wrote:

The UN, much like the EU, is a worthless bureaucratic institution that not even the US pays any particular attention to except when it absolutely counts or they have to push their own agenda through. Even the US presidential nominees are undecided as to remain an influential part of the UN. It is ridiculous to compare Israel to the Taliban, a bunch of savages living in a desert most of the time who rape children and with killmodes set on random. Jerusalem can no longer be divided.

perhaps you should do a little research on the beginnings of Isreal and the role played by the Irgun and the Lehi (stern gang) groups the beginnnings of the far right party of zionists who run Isreal now Netenyahu and Sharon can trace their beginnings all the way back to them.

Read about the Assassination of Lord Moyne, the bombing British police station in Haifa which btw was the first truck bomb (the Isrealis pioneered the technique favored by coward terrorists everywhere) Read about the death threats against the author Hugh Trevor-Roper because of his portrayal of Hitler. Read about the Cairo-Haifa train bombings, or my favourite the Deir Yassin massacre (complete with rapes and mutilations) and last but not least the bombing of the British command in the king david hotel

yeah sorry they are nothing like the Taliban..wtf was I thinking :rolleyes:

Jerusalem can be divided because it isnt fucking theirs and the world knows it with the majority of countries still keeping their enbassies in Tel Aviv even the US has dragged their feet on building a new enbassy in Jerusalem

Let's not forget the assassination of Count Folke Bernadotte who was UNs mediator at the time by the Stern gang or that Yitzhak Shamir who ploted both the assassination of Lord Moyne and Count Bernadotte served as PM of Israel for two terms. Israel is a state filled with religious fundamentalists and as dangerous and unreliable as Iran.

________

Libya's minister of internal affairs, Wanis al-Sharif, is trying to blame the death of American ambassador Stevens on "supporters of Gadaffi". Nice try, but everyone knows that this is considered an appropriate response by a majority of the people in that part of the world. Way to bite the hand that's feeding you, idiots.

#1497326 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-09-12 21:46:53 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Good news for everybody :

1. Most of the world is being secularized. I talked to two guys, one from Nigeria and one from Egypt and they both said that their societies are definately becoming secular with all this new technology, and the religious people who want to impose sharia are acually scared. They are scared of losing the "young" and they are responding to globalization.

2. Irreligion is on the rise in Canada, Australia and the US. While the US is still lagging behind much of the rest of the civilized world, Canadian and australian youth are soon reaching western european levels of religious commitment, that is ...almost zero.

Please read up on atheism, agnosticism and secularism in canada and australia among young. I just wanted post some good news to cheer everybody up

Even america is becoming secular, MORE than 1 in 4 of those under 30 in america no longer belong to some religion..could be 1 in 30,..that still leaves alot of people. But still better than no change.

I argue you guys to read on Canada and Australia but escpecially Canada ;D



and btw, my condolences to all americans. your ambassador seemed like a good guy..

#1497341 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-09-12 23:35:05 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

bolg wrote:

Said Ali al-Shihri killed in a drone strike in Yemen yesterday. He was one of the heads of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and a former Guantanamo Bay prisoner who went through a rehabilitation-programme for ex jihadists in Saudi Arabia, which clearly didn't work. He has been linked to several high profile kidnappings and murders.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat … ml?hpid=z2

The retaliation didn't take long: an assassination attempt on the Yemeni defense minister yesterday. A car bomb exploded outside a building he was existing, killing 12 people.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/11/world … index.html

#1497354 by hmhefDonor (VIP) at 2012-09-13 02:37:02 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

dodeliatcha wrote:

and btw, my condolences to all americans. your ambassador seemed like a good guy..

+1

The protests was supposed to be peaceful, not really sure how it went so so terribly wrong, and on that large scale.

#1497374 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-09-13 09:34:17 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Morsy has condemned the film. :lol: Meanwhile they are still rioting outside the US embassy in Cairo.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world … ?hpt=hp_t1

The US are deploying two destroyers to the coast of Libya in an effort to hunt down the perpetrators of the embassy attack.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world … ?hpt=wo_c2

EDIT: Pictures of an injured (dead?) Stevens being carried to a nearby hospital by Libyan citizens.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c9e_1347458606

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#1497376 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2012-09-13 10:01:00 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Somehow in these countries where protests are either forbidden or if they occur they are swiftly shut down by the police or the military nobody is doing nothing. I wonder why that is.

#1497377 by tidus (Power User) at 2012-09-13 10:12:27 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

The Obama administration is naive and the US and the rest of the world will pay the price...sad but true.

#1497380 by wardukeDonor (Power User) at 2012-09-13 10:35:54 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

tidus wrote:

The Obama administration is naive and the US and the rest of the world will pay the price...sad but true.

The only thing naive that I see is your latest post.  I suppose it's Obama's failed domestic policies that cause James Holmes to murder all those innocent people in the theater right?  Grow up.  Stop trying to blame every fucked up thing that happens in this world on one man.  People make their OWN choices in this life and it is those people alone that are to blame for making bad ones.

The actions of the few within a said country have no direct correlation to the country itself.  If it did, than the world have disavowed America a long long time ago because of all the nut jobs that happen to live there.

#1497383 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-09-13 11:19:23 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top


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lol -.-

The Libyan leader also apologized to the american people and the to the world..

They have absolutely no police in that state, no real functioning government and loads of guns..

could it be possibly that these people were thugs? they felt that they could do this because there was no police or security service or army for that matter..

its a country ruled by anarchy, with very little education..

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#1497384 by tidus (Power User) at 2012-09-13 11:22:58 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

warduke wrote:

tidus wrote:

The Obama administration is naive and the US and the rest of the world will pay the price...sad but true.

The only thing naive that I see is your latest post.  I suppose it's Obama's failed domestic policies that cause James Holmes to murder all those innocent people in the theater right?  Grow up.  Stop trying to blame every fucked up thing that happens in this world on one man.  People make their OWN choices in this life and it is those people alone that are to blame for making bad ones.

The actions of the few within a said country have no direct correlation to the country itself.  If it did, than the world have disavowed America a long long time ago because of all the nut jobs that happen to live there.

Obama?!  It's not about the person, it's about sending a message.

#1497386 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-09-13 11:44:10 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

tidus wrote:

warduke wrote:

tidus wrote:

The Obama administration is naive and the US and the rest of the world will pay the price...sad but true.

The only thing naive that I see is your latest post.  I suppose it's Obama's failed domestic policies that cause James Holmes to murder all those innocent people in the theater right?  Grow up.  Stop trying to blame every fucked up thing that happens in this world on one man.  People make their OWN choices in this life and it is those people alone that are to blame for making bad ones.

The actions of the few within a said country have no direct correlation to the country itself.  If it did, than the world have disavowed America a long long time ago because of all the nut jobs that happen to live there.

Obama?!  It's not about the person, it's about sending a message.

He sent marines to the embassy and warships to the coast? and he did not apologize

#1497394 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-09-13 12:32:20 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

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In a region (ME) where illiteracy rates are high - 65 million adult Arabs can't read - there is one boy who can and who can write in English too. Hmm.. these demonstrations are not spontaneous or democratic, but rather diplomatic. In other words, they have been put in place in order to please western governments by some corrupt government authority in the ME.

#1497396 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-09-13 12:42:26 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

hOG wrote:

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In a region (ME) where illiteracy rates are high - 65 million adult Arabs can't read - there is one boy who can and who can write in English too. Hmm.. these demonstrations are not spontaneous or democratic, but rather diplomatic. In other words, they have been put in place in order to please western governments by some corrupt government authority in the ME.


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Could it be that it was his dad's note? or maybe he got it from some other relative?

And besides, they mispelled several words.

I will reserve judgement, on wether or not they have been put in place by some corrupt authority.

However I do suggest that you cooldown your rhetoric. Instead of jumping to conclusions about a picture of a boy..

I have seen plenty of comments on news sites where people say this was a mistake..(simply thugs taking advantage of anarchy, illiteracy and poverty. )

Other than that : Yes it is fucked up that people demonstrate against a clip on the web -.-. We must stand firm and reaffirm our values, free speech. Without free speech we are nothing.

I would defend this movie producer's right to free speech with my life.

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#1497397 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-09-13 12:53:24 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

It is not empty rhetoric. Since we both seem to agree that it is unlikely that the boy can read and write English himself, someone must have done it. Sure it could be his parents - it is possible even though the illiteracy rate for adults is still pretty high in the ME. But demonstrations like these are arranged in the ME by authorities. They are arranged in the mosques or by the militias and so on. They are arranged because these countries are not democracies. Likely these demonstrations and flag-burning and embassy attacks and murder of diplomats that we have seen were arranged too. I'm guessing it had little to do with the Muhammad-film and everything to do with 9-11 for the people in power.

#1497399 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-09-13 13:07:17 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

hOG wrote:

It is not empty rhetoric. Since we both seem to agree that it is unlikely that the boy can read and write English himself, someone must have done it. Sure it could be his parents - it is possible even though the illiteracy rate for adults is still pretty high in the ME. But demonstrations like these are arranged in the ME by authorities. They are arranged in the mosques or by the militias and so on. They are arranged because these countries are not democracies. Likely these demonstrations and flag-burning and embassy attacks and murder of diplomats that we have seen were arranged too. I'm guessing it had little to do with the Muhammad-film and everything to do with 9-11 for the people in power.

Sure that is definitely a possibility. Yeah, what if they were arranged in the mosque? Maybe they all agreed that this was not something they condoned..therefore they went out at protested.

Whatever the reason, I still believe that most of these people are sincere. I do believe that these people regret the death of the ambassador. Even if it was made up.

I agree with you when you say that it had little to do with the muhammad film itself. These attacks on the embassies were probably incited..not by pastors in the u.s. but by extremists with influence and money.

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#1497402 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-09-13 13:55:04 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

hOG wrote:

It is not empty rhetoric. Since we both seem to agree that it is unlikely that the boy can read and write English himself, someone must have done it. Sure it could be his parents - it is possible even though the illiteracy rate for adults is still pretty high in the ME. But demonstrations like these are arranged in the ME by authorities. They are arranged in the mosques or by the militias and so on. They are arranged because these countries are not democracies. Likely these demonstrations and flag-burning and embassy attacks and murder of diplomats that we have seen were arranged too. I'm guessing it had little to do with the Muhammad-film and everything to do with 9-11 for the people in power.

Maybe, but Stevens was carried to a local hospital by Libyans so apparently some do not agree with the islamists.

USA's embassy in Yemen was stormed by angry protesters today and apparently lit some vehicles on fire. My guess is these riots and embassy stormings will go on for a few weeks all around MENA.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19584734

The religion of peace. :-/

#1497406 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-09-13 15:08:57 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

mbodnar wrote:

I guess that Arab Spring thing isn't working out very well.

Meanwhile, back in The States----- Obama Snubs Netanyahu

update to this story...

Wont meet Netanyahu but will meet Muslim Brotherhood Egyptian President Mohammad Morsi in NYC

perception is reality, what is the man thinking?

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#1497409 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-09-13 15:35:25 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

qbert95 wrote:

mbodnar wrote:

I guess that Arab Spring thing isn't working out very well.

Meanwhile, back in The States----- Obama Snubs Netanyahu

update to this story...

Wont meet Netanyahu but will meet Muslim Brotherhood Egyptian President Mohammad Morsi in NYC

perception is reality, what is the man thinking?

He can definately snub Netanyahu, after the things he said. He is trying to get the united states to go to war against iran, and he is using his window before the elections..

Alot of people think that what Netanyahu did was wrong, and in fact he is the one who has been treating obama and the rest of the administration badly..

The united states national security establishment reject a red line, and yet he is demanding one..from his closest ally..

#1497410 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-09-13 15:45:23 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

dodeliatcha wrote:


He can definately snub Netanyahu, after the things he said. He is trying to get the united states to go to war against iran, and he is using his window before the elections..

Alot of people think that what Netanyahu did was wrong, and in fact he is the one who has been treating obama and the rest of the administration badly..

The united states national security establishment reject a red line, and yet he is demanding one..from his closest ally..

Ive got zero problems with him snubbing Netanyahu since I agree that fucker is trying to goad us into attacking Iran. The problem I have is that part of the world is very "unsophisticated" when it comes to political nuances of the west so the Islamists will interpret this as Obama backing them over Israel which will only enrage the region further.

#1497447 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-09-13 20:19:03 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

qbert95 wrote:

dodeliatcha wrote:


He can definately snub Netanyahu, after the things he said. He is trying to get the united states to go to war against iran, and he is using his window before the elections..

Alot of people think that what Netanyahu did was wrong, and in fact he is the one who has been treating obama and the rest of the administration badly..

The united states national security establishment reject a red line, and yet he is demanding one..from his closest ally..

Ive got zero problems with him snubbing Netanyahu since I agree that fucker is trying to goad us into attacking Iran. The problem I have is that part of the world is very "unsophisticated" when it comes to political nuances of the west so the Islamists will interpret this as Obama backing them over Israel which will only enrage the region further.

Really? You honestly think that Islamists will think obama is backing them? Even if they are unsophisticated they practially hate obama. He has been hammering them with drones all over the middle east. Trippled the troops in afghanistan and put heavy sanctions against Iran. I dont think they will misinterpret that..

Killed 23 out 30 top al-qaida leaders including bin Ladin.. He is sending warships and marines to the embassy..I seriously doubt that they will see this snub as obama backing them.

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#1497463 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-09-13 21:28:06 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Obama tripled the troops in Afghanistan?   Were they invisible?  My son recently returned from there (1/75 Rangers) and he didnt notice them.  What he did notice were the dangerous, incredibly fucked up new roe's though.  Maybe all those invisible soldiers are permited to actually do what they're trained for.

#1497476 by wardukeDonor (Power User) at 2012-09-13 22:08:31 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

qbert95 wrote:


Ive got zero problems with him snubbing Netanyahu since I agree that fucker is trying to goad us into attacking Iran. The problem I have is that part of the world is very "unsophisticated" when it comes to political nuances of the west so the Islamists will interpret this as Obama backing them over Israel which will only enrage the region further.

Meeting Mohamed Morsi has more to do with the Sinai Peninsula and keeping the peace.  If anything, it works for both Israel and Egypt.  Right now, we have no relationship with the current government.  Even the support we had been sending is currently in an unresolved holding pattern atm.

#1497495 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-09-14 01:31:20 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

uh oh....

Exclusive: America 'was warned of embassy attack but did nothing'

Quote:

According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted.

media gonna have to work overtime trying to figure out how Romney is somehow responsible for this.

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#1497509 by Timex (Power User) at 2012-09-14 06:17:15 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

I heard on the news here ta few days ago that they had knowledge back on September the 5th.

Need...new...President...soon.

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