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#1493979 by Timex (Power User) at 2012-08-21 03:54:36 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

elrey7 wrote:



Even someone who has lived as long as you have can clearly see that capitalism is the new religion.

No.
An economic system is not the same as a blind faith belief in an invisible Super Being that is "your friend as long as you do what his mouth peace tells you".

#1494007 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-08-21 11:03:01 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

elrey7 wrote:



Even someone who has lived as long as you have can clearly see that capitalism is the new religion.

Capitalism, low taxes and a small government were the religions of the 19th and first half of 20th century, which has now been replaced by high taxes and increased government control.

#1494050 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2012-08-21 15:31:28 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Looks like it's not only the middle east where the thugs want to bring mayhem and distortion.

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Muslims demand breakaway Islamic nation in Norway or another 9/11 threatened

The Norwegian news portal VG Nett is reporting that a Muslim terrorist group, Ansar al-Sunna’, is threatening that if a section of the nation's capitol isn't transformed into a sharia-complaint Muslim nation, an attack rivaling 9/11 will be launched upon the Scandinavian nation.

VG Nett has stated that the Norwegian Police Security Service (Politiets sikkerhetstjeneste - PST) is already familiar with many members of this particular terror group.

We do not want to be a part of norwegian society. And we do not consider it necessary either to move away from Norway, because we were born and grew up here. And Allah’s earth belongs to everybody.

But let Grønland become ours. Bar this city quarter and let us control it the way we wish to do it. This is the best for both parts.

We do not wish to live together with dirty beasts like you."

http://www.examiner.com/article/muslims … b_articles

Looks like norway and sweden are already lost costs, it's up to us and the danes now

#1494071 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-08-21 17:09:01 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

@Timex

Well, it has certainly moved whole societies onward. An example that is more on topic could be New Rome (Byzantium) which was rebuild after the theological and military success of Constantine the Great. Another example the golden age of Islam which came after Muhammad's long military campaign turning ME into an intellectual region. Eventually creating what we know as the West and the M-East today. A third example North-America which attracted thousands of thousands of pilgrims and protestant religious dissenters from Europe that were opposed to the idea of a General/Middleman of God controlling all aspects of their religion.

The problem with the ME has a lot to do with religion. I agree with qbert95, but will add that the religion islam itself means a form of 'peace through submission' (to the will of Allah) and does not contain strong ideas of freedom, tolerance, secular authority, unlike other religions and it has one of the, if not the most fundamentalist view, of its own Scripture. For example why in Pakistan two couples in 2009 were sentenced to life for blasphemy. Their crime.. they had touched a Quran with unclean hands and they were Christians. They were later acquitted. Or more recently a handicapped girl also in Pakistan arrested and awaiting trial for allegedly burning a page of the Quran.

If -religion- is the original 'nigerian scam' and voodoo, i.e. capitalism and just words pieced together, all at the same time then it is a half-truth. There are many differences between the religions.

@Sniper

We are a lost cause as well with current government.

#1494580 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2012-08-24 21:56:37 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Arab spring continues to florish:

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Female students in Iran have been barred from more than 70 university degree courses in an officially-approved act of sex-discrimination which critics say is aimed at defeating the fight for equal women's rights.
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Under the new policy, women undergraduates will be excluded from a broad range of studies in some of the country's leading institutions, including English literature, English translation, hotel management, archaeology, nuclear physics, computer science, electrical engineering, industrial engineering and business management.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … ities.html


Restricting education from half of the population is the path to a successfull society.


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#1494794 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-08-26 13:26:15 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Check this out :


Thousands demonstrate in Egypt in first sizable protest against Morsi regime


Protesters clash in Cairo over Morsi's rule.



Thousands rally against Egypt's Islamist president. ( This one is probably most credible )

#1494863 by mselo4ever4 (User) at 2012-08-26 18:36:09 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

WOW! you are fucking talking about everything except what really happens in the ME and Africa, but you are talking only about what your media really wants to talk about


440 people killed yesterday in Syria, 24000 since 2011's march, and your media barely mentioned it, while in Libya, just two months after demonstrations started, the whole world decided war on Libya just because there is OIL there, and because Israel is too far from their.

#1494894 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-08-26 21:58:39 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

we are talking about syria... however, since so many people are dying every day. It's simply not news anymore. and the situation is pretty fucked up.

There is no western intervention for many reasons, too tired to write em'all down.

#1494896 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-08-26 22:14:11 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

mselo4ever4 wrote:

WOW! you are fucking talking about everything except what really happens in the ME and Africa, but you are talking only about what your media really wants to talk about


440 people killed yesterday in Syria, 24000 since 2011's march, and your media barely mentioned it, while in Libya, just two months after demonstrations started, the whole world decided war on Libya just because there is OIL there, and because Israel is too far from their.

If you'd actually bothered to read anything you would've understod that al-Assad is backed by Russia and China.The revolution in Libya was assisted because Gaddafi had no powerful allies, while an intervention in Syria could create a more global conflict.

#1494901 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-08-26 22:41:55 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

bolg wrote:

mselo4ever4 wrote:

WOW! you are fucking talking about everything except what really happens in the ME and Africa, but you are talking only about what your media really wants to talk about


440 people killed yesterday in Syria, 24000 since 2011's march, and your media barely mentioned it, while in Libya, just two months after demonstrations started, the whole world decided war on Libya just because there is OIL there, and because Israel is too far from their.

If you'd actually bothered to read anything you would've understod that al-Assad is backed by Russia and China.The revolution in Libya was assisted because Gaddafi had no powerful allies, while an intervention in Syria could create a more global conflict.

dont forget Iran which has long used Syria as its staging ground to destablize the region. Basically right now this is a classic proxy war being fought diplomatically and militarily between Russia, China (lesser extent), and Iran vs the Sunni Arab world and the West. The tipping point will be most likely in October when the Israeli's launch their airstrikes on the Iranian nuclear facilities at that point who knows how this plays out.

#1494911 by Melrose86 (User) at 2012-08-27 00:37:30 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

qbert95 wrote:



dont forget Iran which has long used Syria as its staging ground to destablize the region. Basically right now this is a classic proxy war being fought diplomatically and militarily between Russia, China (lesser extent), and Iran vs the Sunni Arab world and the West. The tipping point will be most likely in October when the Israeli's launch their airstrikes on the Iranian nuclear facilities at that point who knows how this plays out.

how do you know they will do it in october?

#1494912 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-08-27 00:53:02 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Melrose86 wrote:


how do you know they will do it in october?

they have to do it before the US presidential election in November since it forces both parties to publically back the attack or risk crucial voting blocks not turning out to vote (dems risk losing jew vote if they dont and reps risk the neocons).

#1494959 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-08-27 13:34:13 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Yeah, Israel is probably gonna attack Iran soon. I dont know when, but soon..

America will get dragged in..spend some cash..that it borrows from china with interest rate..

and then china will continue to grow and lend money and support poor african countries with unlimited aid..

in the meantime, america and the west will be mired in an economic crisis and stuck in that old shithole called the middle east.

this is so sad..

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#1495075 by unknown[465894] at 2012-08-28 03:05:09 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Israel attack Iran?  Gotta love the arm-chair generals who like to fancy themselves as some sort of modern day Nostradamus.  Israel will attack Iran, the US will get involved, Chinese influence will increase in that beckoning shining Metropolis that's just waiting to happen - Africa, Perhaps we'll be seeing a Rwanda part 2 to which weapons will inevitably be supplied by the Chinese...Again.  I don't get this fascination with the Communist Chinese.  They have more problems than the Leftists in the West could ever dream of us having.

It's not feasible for Israel to attack Iran and have any kind of effective outcome without massive support from the US military.  Which is unlikely to happen before the election, and I doubt the US would jointly attack Iran with Israel in any given situation anyways.

#1495098 by mselo4ever4 (User) at 2012-08-28 10:17:34 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Israel just wont attack Iran, Iran pretended to be enemy of Israel and supported Hizbullah, Assad's regime and Hamas, what did really come from this support? Regionaly made Kassam missles that killed no one in Israel? The so-called 2006 war that nobody except Hizbullah won becuase thanks to this Hizbullah became stronger in Lebanon?  And the 3rd alian of Iran, Syria , since 1973 not a single bullet were fired against Israel from the Syrian borders to Israel , and after all that, why would Israel attack Iran ?

#1495751 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-09-01 17:04:22 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Exclusive: U.S. Scales-Back Military Exercise with Israel, Affecting Potential Iran Strike

Looks like Obama is doing everything possible to make it clear Israel is on it's own with this and rightfully so. I just hope that it not part of some preemptive propaganda campaign to throw Iran off guard thinking we are not going to back Israel so they call it off and than suddenly a joint strike goes down.

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#1495755 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-09-01 17:28:06 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Good. The US needs to free itself of the zionist lobbyists and Israel.

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#1495757 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-09-01 17:33:17 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

bolg wrote:

Good. The US needs to free itself of the zionist lobbyists and Israel.

that will never happen when you have the Jewish lobby, neocons, evangelicals, and the defense lobby all staunchly backing them.

*edit* btw this current "shift" has nothing to do with the US position on Israel but entirely to do with Obama's re-election. He is simply worried that they might go it alone which will doom his reelection, dear leader needs to protect his crown at all costs.

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#1495785 by mrunne (Power User) at 2012-09-01 23:04:17 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

qbert95 wrote:

The tipping point will be most likely in October when the Israeli's launch their airstrikes on the Iranian nuclear facilities at that point who knows how this plays out.

21.12.2012 is the end of the world, just saying as this could well be the trigger for that

On a more serious note I seriously dont see how there could ever be peace in the ME as long as Islam is such a "peaceloving and tolerant" religion. It's not a matter of who, more of a matter of when the conflict will escalate and drag the world with it.

#1495830 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-09-02 10:25:15 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

qbert95 wrote:



that will never happen when you have the Jewish lobby, neocons, evangelicals, and the defense lobby all staunchly backing them.

*edit* btw this current "shift" has nothing to do with the US position on Israel but entirely to do with Obama's re-election. He is simply worried that they might go it alone which will doom his reelection, dear leader needs to protect his crown at all costs.

Yeah, I know it isn't much to hope for since the jewish lobby is quite powerful. What I don't understand is:
A) Why do neocons and evangelicals care about Israel? Can't find a logical connection between Christianity and zionism.
B) How come the pro-Israel all seem to still be living in the US?

#1495835 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-09-02 11:17:23 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

bolg wrote:

qbert95 wrote:



that will never happen when you have the Jewish lobby, neocons, evangelicals, and the defense lobby all staunchly backing them.

*edit* btw this current "shift" has nothing to do with the US position on Israel but entirely to do with Obama's re-election. He is simply worried that they might go it alone which will doom his reelection, dear leader needs to protect his crown at all costs.

Yeah, I know it isn't much to hope for since the jewish lobby is quite powerful. What I don't understand is:
A) Why do neocons and evangelicals care about Israel? Can't find a logical connection between Christianity and zionism.
B) How come the pro-Israel all seem to still be living in the US?

a) There isn't a logical connection between Christianity and Zionism per se. But when it is connected to Christianity it has to do with a specific branch of end-time theology, specifically Dispensationalism. Israel is here a necessary piece of the puzzle. It is very uncommon in Europe, but more common in the US. As a matter of fact the opposite extreme of Zionism led in part to the persecution of Jews in Europe and the protection of Jews in America.

I can recommend this book if you are interested: http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Zionism … 0830853685

b) It is very difficult to get a citizenship. I think that is partly why, plus of the reason above. But lets face it - Israel is the ONLY democracy in the ME. Why not support its right to exist?

#1495888 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-09-02 16:44:34 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Not a ME story but related to it....

Pakistan 'Koran plot' imam remanded in blasphemy case

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A Pakistani imam has been remanded in custody, accused of planting pages of the Koran among burnt pages in the bag of a Christian girl held for blasphemy.

The girl was detained two weeks ago near the capital Islamabad after an angry mob demanded she be punished.

can you imagine the level of fucking nutjob sociopath that would do that (allegedly) to a mentally disabled little girl? There really is no greater example of what out of control religious zealotry can be capable of.

#1495895 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-09-02 17:07:17 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

hOG wrote:



a) There isn't a logical connection between Christianity and Zionism per se. But when it is connected to Christianity it has to do with a specific branch of end-time theology, specifically Dispensationalism. Israel is here a necessary piece of the puzzle. It is very uncommon in Europe, but more common in the US. As a matter of fact the opposite extreme of Zionism led in part to the persecution of Jews in Europe and the protection of Jews in America.

I can recommend this book if you are interested: http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Zionism … 0830853685

b) It is very difficult to get a citizenship. I think that is partly why, plus of the reason above. But lets face it - Israel is the ONLY democracy in the ME. Why not support its right to exist?

a) Interesting, thanks.

b) Democracy or not it's still a religiously fanatic state where former terrorists and murderes are elected as premiers, which continues to destabilize the region. And anyone who voices criticism is anti-semetic. I don't see any benefit from supporting Israel.

#1496463 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-09-06 02:17:47 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

The power of the Jewish lobby strikes again...

Democrats' Efforts To Reinsert 'God' And 'Jerusalem' Into Platform Met With Loud Opposition

#1496477 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2012-09-06 08:22:48 (10 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

qbert95 wrote:

The power of the Jewish lobby strikes again...

Democrats' Efforts To Reinsert 'God' And 'Jerusalem' Into Platform Met With Loud Opposition

:lol:
Atleast the NO's were loder than the yes (which means that a hurricane is going to hit a city and destroy is as god's wrath. That if we listen to pat robertson.).



Quote:

Why not support its right to exist?

Yep.

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