Protests in The ME and Africa

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#1484254 by mrunne (Power User) at 2012-06-28 16:47:13 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

dodeliatcha wrote:

mrunne wrote:

I never claimed to have liked the people there and I dont think I will. I have 0 friends who are muslim and I dont think I ever will.

dude c'mon. How would everybody react if I said that I have never liked the people in israel and that I have 0 jewish friends and that I dont think I ever will?

I am sure you will be a great problem solver in an ever increasingly globalized world.

Other than that. I agree with most people here. Horrible that they do this in Egypt.

I've met and talked with several muslims and their way of thinking is so foreign to what my way of thinking is that I very much doubt we would be compatible as friends. I got a Jew relative, he is a very nice person as well as several christian friends and many atheists too. I got no problem with peoples religions as long as they are moderate, tolerant and not "in your face".

#1484352 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2012-06-28 22:49:29 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

Who in their right mind (a person who is not a muslim) would want to visit a country which is ruled by islam ?

Go so Sharm or Marsa Alam and you'll be hard pressed to see anything related to Islam. I drank as much as I wanted, Fucked as much as I wanted and ate whatever I wanted while oggling girls in skimpy bikinis.

I think it would depend on several things. I would also like to visit Dubai but I'd never go to places like UEA or SA etc.

#1484356 by mislav1234 (User) at 2012-06-28 23:03:30 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I was in Dubai and Abu Dhabi couple of months ago, for a week. Why wouldn't you go there?

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#1484365 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2012-06-28 23:35:52 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

mislav1234 wrote:

I was in Dubai and Abu Dhabi couple of months ago, for a week. Why wouldn't you go there?

errr ummm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatn … years.html

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According to Abu Dhabi based newspaper The National, the DJ, identified only as 30-year-old A.Y., was charged with consuming drugs after a tip off was given to Dubai Police’s anti-narcotics department.

When police arrested the man in March no drugs were found on him, but traces of the narcotics were found in his blood.

The disc jockey denied the charges, saying that the last time he had smoked the drug was in December while he was in Britain. But prosecutors said that test results showed he consumed the drug whilst in the UAE.

serious wtf?

#1486628 by kristoficus Donor

(The crust on a pizza) at 2012-07-11 17:23:28 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

hOG requested this thread is re-opened.

#1486631 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-07-11 17:39:10 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Another pile of evidence that this Spring should be instead regarded as a Winter for the ME with the Muslim Brotherhood in charge and salafism (Muslim fundamentalism) on the rise.. now political forces in the ME are calling for the destruction of the pyramids.

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/11973/cal … mids-begin

#1486688 by TheBlues (Power User) at 2012-07-11 22:40:26 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

hOG wrote:

The article doesn't mention that the calls are coming from political forces in the ME.
Your point is still sort of valid without that detail, why did you feel the need to lie?

Everyone knows that the ME sucks but by falsely accusing them of shit we're only making people more sympathetic towards them.

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#1486697 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-07-11 23:08:57 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

So you are more worried about the details of language in my post than its contents. The article more than characterizes the Sheiks, the salafist party as well as the Muslim Brotherhood as 'political forces'. Do you know Islam doesn't advocate the kind of separation between church(!) and state as we do in the west nor democracy? For these crazies there is the sharia and that covers everything.

edit// the sheik is a saudi (Saudi Arabia), the Muslim Brotherhood is international, the Salafist movement can be found all over the ME, as well as in the UK...

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#1486706 by TheBlues (Power User) at 2012-07-12 00:09:45 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Details of language? Your claim was 100% inaccurate. The one who called for the destruction of the Pyramids was a Sheikh from Bahrain. How the fuck does he count as a political force in Egypt?

Have you even read the article? He's not a Saudi as you say. Perhaps you should go back to sunday school and learn how to read before you try to analyze foreign politics.

Edit: And no, the article never identifies the Sheikhs as political forces because they aren't.

Stop lying.

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#1486711 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-07-12 00:45:14 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Yes, details of language RATHER than content. Regardless of whether you agree or not with words I used, you could comment on what they are doing. Instead you call me on a word I used. You always do this however so it is to be expected, can't tell if it is because you are an autistic grammar nazitype of person or because you want to confuse the debate about the ME and protect the idea of an Arab Spring. But as for what you did bring yourself to say, it said Saudi so I assumed he was, I was wrong. But I wasn't lying. I am not lying nor am I incorrect about the Sheikh or the salafist party or the Muslim Brotherhood being political forces in the ME. I don't need the article for that even though it does characterizes them as such, not identifies. Don't agree, then other news articles will I'm sure if you do some searching.

#1486714 by TheBlues (Power User) at 2012-07-12 01:18:36 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

The reason I didn't comment on what you deem to be the content is because there's nothing to say. We simply need to wait and see in which direction the ME steers Egypt. The reason I reacted so harshly to your error was because you made it seem as if the ME's direction was already clear. I hate when people spread misinformation about vital issues like this, and that's 50% of what you do on these forums.

Furthermore, using metaphors like "Arab spring/winter" is a prime example of damaging simplification. Those who believe in a perfect fairy tale ending for these revolutions are extremely naive but so are those who believe that nothing good will come out the revolutions.

#1486729 by DrevoKocour (Power User) at 2012-07-12 06:35:12 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

The sheikh dude can be found in the press commenting on various issues ranging from religious to political, apparently being at least some authority in the eyes of the public - i.e. a political force. He is from Bahrain, which is in the Middle East. HOG said "political force" in the "middle east". How does he not fit the criteria?

#1486753 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-07-12 13:28:00 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

TheBlues:

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The reason I didn't comment on what you deem to be the content is because there's nothing to say.

You perhaps do not want to say anything for personal reasons, but there is plenty to say. As the article mentions this is not the first time that Muslims destroy or attempt to destroy the earliest traces of civilization. In Muhammad's life this was seen, throughout history, in our century it has been seen with the Taliban, last month on Mali and now here we begin to see that they also want to cover up or destroy the pyramids. That's tragic. Egypt is dependent on tourism, it accounts for an impressive % of their GDP. Eg. the Salafist party also wants to control Sharm-el-Sheikh. The pious wants religious segregation or in the case of the pyramids, they want them gone or covered.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … aches.html

Mali's "End of the World Gate", a Sufi temple and on the UNESCO list of world heritage

This image has been resized, click here to view the full-sized image.

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 … buktu?lite

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We simply need to wait and see in which direction the ME steers Egypt. The reason I reacted so harshly to your error was because you made it seem as if the ME's direction was already clear. I hate when people spread misinformation about vital issues like this, and that's 50% of what you do on these forums.

I have a 2.3 average of posts per day. I guess that means you can prove that 1 of them each and every single day is about spreading misinformation. Hey.. maybe I caught you in a little lie here.

The direction in which the ME is going is pretty clear to me. Perhaps you want to draw other conclusions based on other evidence, then be my guest. I'm not saying that other countries in the ME might not seem to be going in a right situation - financially, or a more peaceful future awaits them, and good that they are, but progressive western direction.. I find that very hard to believe, especially with powerful conservative Islamic powers around. It is really a problem with Islam itself. It is simply not possible to join it with democracy and freedom of expression unless you cut out the poison that is the sharia, umna, jihad etc. and the impression of the Quran as Allah's literal word.

We are currently seeing in which direction the ME is trying to steer Egypt.

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Furthermore, using metaphors like "Arab spring/winter" is a prime example of damaging simplification.

Well, these are not MY metaphors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring#Overview

They can be simplifications, yes, and I use "Arab Winter" to express my distaste for the the other metaphor, which has existed since the revolutions began and is a very positive and promising metaphor - but as it seems a wrong one to use.

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Those who believe in a perfect fairy tale ending for these revolutions are extremely naive but so are those who believe that nothing good will come out the revolutions.

I don't believe in neither.

#1486776 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-07-12 15:25:25 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Just for arguments sake what if the muslim brotherhood did in fact decide to destroy the pyramids? What actions do you think the international community has to take to defend such a priceless piece of human history? Do you simply embargo, financially freeze, or do you go to war to physically prevent it?

:hmmm:

#1486783 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-07-12 15:58:53 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Airlift the pyramids to Las Vegas.

Seriously though, I do think it would most likely come to military action. Not a chance the UN and the West would sit by and let the only remaining of the seven wonders of the ancient world be demolished by some idiots.

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#1486787 by DrevoKocour (Power User) at 2012-07-12 16:24:12 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Promises of aid and (financial) support in exchange for not blowing things up seem a more likely alternative to me.

#1486955 by Germs Donor

(Paulo DiCanio's Disciple) at 2012-07-13 12:36:35 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

Kinda depends...is their oil under the pyramids? If so we can go to war,if not then it's pointless (sarcasm).

I read that the MB/Shalaffi (spelling?) want to ban alcohol for tourists,make segregated beaches for male and female and ban "skimpy beachwear" to prevent their youth being corrupted.This imo is bollocks,if they wanted that they could easily just close the beaches to non-tourists and their pristine,pious and oh so delicate youths can be spared.This isn't about right or wrong it's all about Muslims showing their strength and their contempt for non-muslims whilst still wanting us to come and bring our £,€ and $'s to spend and prop up the economy.
I wonder if there's some kind of Islamic saying about having your cake and eating it??

#1487021 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-07-13 19:03:04 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Something interesting regarding the massacres in Syria.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2012/07/sy … sacre.html

Liz Sly Washington Post Foreign Correspondent wrote:

The pattern of massacres on the eve of UNSC meetings on Syria is starting to look very real. Reports of 200 dead near Hama; UN meets tmrw.

Paul Danahar BBC Middle East Bureau Chief wrote:

'Massacre in Syria as UN meets' is headline everywhere....again. This is either an increasingly odd coincidence or it isn't one at all

Something to think about atleast

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#1487039 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-07-13 19:46:11 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

bolg wrote:

Something interesting regarding the massacres in Syria.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2012/07/sy … sacre.html

Liz Sly Washington Post Foreign Correspondent wrote:

The pattern of massacres on the eve of UNSC meetings on Syria is starting to look very real. Reports of 200 dead near Hama; UN meets tmrw.

Paul Danahar BBC Middle East Bureau Chief wrote:

'Massacre in Syria as UN meets' is headline everywhere....again. This is either an increasingly odd coincidence or it isn't one at all

Something to think about atleast

the chance of an intervention before 2013 is next to zero with the election cycle in the US going on. Neither party wants that headache and having to take a position on record until voting is over.

*edit* and 3 days later comes this story....

US refuses to help Syrian rebels until after election

:smartass:

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#1488383 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-07-22 02:42:05 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Dawoud Rajiha (Syrian defense minister), Assef Shawkat (deputy defense minister and brother-in-law of Al-Assad), Hasan Turkmani (assistant to the vice president) and Hisham Ikhtiyar (intelligence and national security chief) were all killed in a bombing on july 18. The government claims it was a suicide bomber, the rebels that it was a remotely triggered bomb. Both the Free Syrian Army and Liwa al Islam have claimed responsibility.

qbert: even in a post-election world, what are the chances of an US intervention? Imo they are just using the elections as an excuse since it's always easier to say "maybe later" than "no".

Syrian deserter General Mustafa Sheikh claims Syria is moving their chemical weapons to prepare them for usage.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/syrien … iska-vapen

Sergey Lavrov, Russian Foreign Minister warns that

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If the policy based on support for the opposition continues – a policy leading to an impasse, since Assad will not go on his own – and all of these mantra calls that he must step down are rooted in hopelessness,"Lavrov told reporters in Moscow.

http://rt.com/politics/syria-russia-lav … risis-479/

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Qaedat al-Jihad (a branch of Al-Qaeda who also claimed responsibility for the 2008 Danish embassy bombing in Kandahar) has claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing on july 18 in Bulgaria where five israelis and one Bulgarian were killed, as well as the perpetrator. Israel, the US as well as Bulgaria claim it was Hezbollah who carried out the attack and not Qaedat al-Islam.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 … 13,00.html

Israeli "intervention" in Lebanon soon?

PS: Apparently the wounded tourists were also robbed by locals at the scene and at the hospital, according to reports.
http://news.ibox.bg/news/id_1500153853

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#1493756 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2012-08-20 15:25:40 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

http://www.meforum.org/3305/muslim-brot … -opponents

I wouldn't call this spring:

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Last week in Egypt, when Muslim Brotherhood supporters terrorized the secular media, several Arabic websites—including Arab News, Al Khabar News, Dostor Watany, and Egypt Now—reported that people were being "crucified." The relevant excerpt follows in translation:

A Sky News Arabic correspondent in Cairo confirmed that protestors belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood crucified those opposing Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi naked on trees in front of the presidential palace while abusing others. Likewise, Muslim Brotherhood supporters locked the doors of the media production facilities of 6-October [a major media region in Cairo], where they proceeded to attack several popular journalists.

That there were attacks and violence—both in front of Egypt's presidential palace and at major media facilities—is well-documented. An August 9 report by El Balad, a widely read Egyptian website, gives the details:

Last Wednesday, August 8, "thousands of the Muslim Brotherhood's supporters" attacked 6-October's media facilities, beat Khaled Salah—chief editor of the privately-owned and secular Youm 7 newspaper—prevented Yusif al-Hassani, an On TV broadcaster, from entering the building, and generally "terrorized the employees."

El Balad adds that the supporters of Tawfik Okasha, another vocal critic of President Morsi—the one who widely disseminated the graphic video of a Muslim apostate being slaughtered to cries of "Allahu Akbar"—gathered around the presidential palace, only to be surrounded by Brotherhood supporters, who "attacked them with sticks, knives, and Molotov cocktails, crucifying some of them on trees, leading to the deaths of two and the wounding of dozens."

Looks like we pessimists were right again. You just cant found a free and modern justice democracy when your groundstone is a religion which uses a bronce age book as it's foundation.

#1493769 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-08-20 15:59:49 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

Looks like we pessimists were right again. You just cant found a free and modern justice democracy when your groundstone is a religion which uses a bronce age book as it's foundation.

exactly. People always assume that these countries are only backwards hellholes because they are being ruled by despots when the opposite is true; it's the fact that these countries and cultures are so backwards that they produce despots because they are the only ones that can bring an semblance of order to the chaos.

#1493931 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-08-20 22:31:55 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Anyone keeping track on what Mursi is up to? He annulled SACF's amendment which restricted the president's power, fired the Army chief of staff and replaced him with the chief of army intelligence Abdul Fattah el-Sisi and he decided not to recall parliament but to draft a new constitution, approve it by a referendum and then hold new elections.

From where does he derive power to do this? The constitution?

#1493974 by Timex (Power User) at 2012-08-21 02:49:18 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Religion is the cornerstone of human development into society from naked apes and life as we now understand...it is what has bound countless before us even to this day and allowed mankind to go to the moon and planets.

Without it in the past humans would not live in the world we do today as society can never be controlled by one General/Slavemaster forever.

Religion is also the cornerstone of power over the populations...what keeps them servants/slaves to those who "are close to God".

In modern times those who think see it as the original "Nigerian Scam".

Religion is per say...Voodoo.

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#1493976 by elrey7

(User) at 2012-08-21 03:04:02 (11 months ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Timex wrote:

Even someone who has lived as long as you have can clearly see that capitalism is the new religion.

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