Protests in The ME and Africa

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#1473747 by unknown[13572] at 2012-04-29 00:45:11 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

ezzy525 wrote:

The comments at the bottom of the article seem to call bullshit on this. Anyone care to verfiy? If it's true, that is some sick shit! :sick:

I don't think it's true unless I'm mistaken it looks like loads of articles just repeating what's already been written. The Daily Mail had an article that branded it complete nonsense and yet the comments suggest that people still believe it's true.

#1473755 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-04-29 02:56:50 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

A couple articles I've read say it's BS as well, rumors floated by Mubarak supporters.

#1475152 by Sargoth (Power User) at 2012-05-08 10:39:03 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Muslim Brotherhood Rally Egypt: We'll March on Jerusalem
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=82e_1336412344
The "new" Hitler of our age?

#1475158 by Picard1701E Donor

(Power User) at 2012-05-08 12:53:54 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

well, guess the sane shit that happened all these years ago in iran is now happening in egypt. great, just what the world needs, more religious fanatics.

#1475315 by Timex (Power User) at 2012-05-09 21:12:47 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Picard1701E wrote:

well, guess the insane shit that happened all these years ago in iran is now happening in egypt. great, just what the world needs, more religious fanatics.

Fixed.

#1481789 by DXD Donor

(Die-hard Staff) at 2012-06-14 18:51:49 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 requested this thread is re-opened.

#1481812 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-06-14 20:11:03 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Just a quick update to the EGyptian aspect...

Some cry 'coup' as Egypt's highest court annuls parliament, military extends power

As pointed out in this thread earlier when people wanted the Egyptian military to step in against Mubarak, the military was the true power behind Mubarak and the military will be the true power after Mubarak.

#1483331 by lol2k345 Donor

(Power User) at 2012-06-23 07:28:28 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

So the newspaper says Syria has shot down a Turkish aoerplane, and that syria has confirmed that it was them who did it. An attack on a NATO nation is an attack on NATO its self, next!

#1483335 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2012-06-23 08:13:16 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

lol2k345 wrote:

So the newspaper says Syria has shot down a Turkish aoerplane, and that syria has confirmed that it was them who did it. An attack on a NATO nation is an attack on NATO its self, next!

WHERE was the airplane?
Claims it had entered syrian airspace, was shot down by syrian antiaircraft guns and crashed in syrian waters

Why should NATO treat that as an attack on all? :blink:

If a US plane ventured into Russian airspace and was shot down do you think that warrents all of NATO attacking Russia? That is absurd.

IF it had been shot down while in Turkish airspace that would be entirely different.

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#1483350 by lol2k345 Donor

(Power User) at 2012-06-23 11:04:48 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

VeryBadGuy wrote:

lol2k345 wrote:

So the newspaper says Syria has shot down a Turkish aoerplane, and that syria has confirmed that it was them who did it. An attack on a NATO nation is an attack on NATO its self, next!

WHERE was the airplane?
Claims it had entered syrian airspace, was shot down by syrian antiaircraft guns and crashed in syrian waters

Why should NATO treat that as an attack on all? :blink:

Dont soil your pants, i am aware of this

However, it would be pretty naive to think that turkey, or nato for that matter will overlook this event given the on going mass murdering in syria. Im gonna bet you that there will be a turning point around natos failure to step in after they are attacked them selves.

Also, this actually seems so retarded by tukey that I suspect they sent the F4 in there on prupose to get shot down, so that maybe nato will destroy their "good" neighbours

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#1483355 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-06-23 12:23:46 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

The Turkish admit it "strayed" but the as of now the only thing that is going to determine which way this plays out is whether or not they find the two pilots that were shot down who are still missing. Also even if it did "stray" what in gods name was the Syrian military thinking in shooting it down instead of sending their own jets to escort them out? The one possible thing they couldn't have done is the one thing they did, attack another NATO member.

#1483560 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-06-24 18:23:41 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

NATO won't attack Syria over one plane whose location when it was shot down is very questionable.

The events unfolding in Egypt are far more interesting and alarming.

#1483684 by Timex (Power User) at 2012-06-24 23:23:54 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

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...what in gods name was the Syrian military thinking in shooting it down instead of sending their own jets to escort them out?

Safer for the "defender" to just blow it out of the sky ASAP.

China and Russia as well as others follow the same actions with fast moving aircraft...and on occasion have been reported to use even fighters to shoot airliners as they may be bombers with civil markings.

#1483688 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-06-24 23:36:03 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Yeah, considering Syria and Turkey are neighbours there really isn't that much time to scramble jets to escort an enemy plane back home.

#1484063 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-06-27 16:31:02 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

It turns out that the F4 violated syrian airspace. Why the fuck would they send an F4 and enter syrian airspace when they know that the situation is very tense in syria?

And why an F4? Turkey has better jets. Better jets for recon, bombing and air to air combat. Looks like they are looking for an excuse to intervene.

I dont support president assad in any way. But it this is all too weird.

Btw why did america complain about russians providing weapons to syria when the U.S. provides weapons to bahrain and saudi arabia, which intervened in bahrain?

EDIT : They did shoot down the turkish jet. But why isnt anybody talking about the fact that turkey violated their airspace. As if thats a normal thing to do. Especially during an uprising.

The united states has spy satellites. They have recon drones that cannot be detected. Submarines that collect signals intelligence. Why did turkey stray in syrian airspace with one F4? which is guaranteed to be seen on the radar. Did they want intelligence? they get 100 times better intel from the americans. Who are probably more than willing to share the intel with the turks if needed.

Did the turks want to send a message not to mess with turkey? Assad knows that turkey has NATOs second largest standing army and third largest air force.

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#1484068 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-06-27 16:51:04 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

dodeliatcha wrote:

I Why did turkey stray in syrian airspace with one F4? which is guaranteed to be seen on the radar. Did they want intelligence? they get 100 times better intel from the americans. Who are probably more than willing to share the intel with the turks if needed. .

as Timex pointed it out they were probably purposefully trying to get lit up by the Syrian AA radar so they can later pinpoint where their radar stations are for future reference and they most likely didn't believe they would actually open fire on them (without warning as Turkey is claiming). It's a cat and mouse game most nations engage with one another (Russia and the US for example), but it usually plays out with warning and scrambling fighter to chase them off not actually shooting them down.

#1484107 by Germs Donor

(Paulo DiCanio's Disciple) at 2012-06-27 19:47:31 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Just read a news report about a 21 year old British journalist being attacked and sexually assaulted by a crowd in Tahrir Square.

Story is HERE.
I couldn't believe what I was reading.There's unrest all over the world but even so most don't sink to this barbaric level.I'd like to hear from our Egyptian members as to how it is that they can have a culture that allows men (obviously not EVERY man) to keep doing these things? As I read further I found that this is only one of a number of similar attacks.

Why does this keep happening? Please don't tell me "it's their own fault" or that they shouldn't be there after the first few attacks.It's NOT their fault,is it Egyptian attitudes to women or just Western women? Honestly I'd like to hear opinions on how anyone could possibly defend such animals.

#1484112 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2012-06-27 19:58:00 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I think it's more about them buying into their own storyline of the "victimized Muslims" and forgetting that they are savage misogynist's until they find themselves surrounded by them.

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#1484140 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2012-06-27 22:12:15 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Germs wrote:

you really find this surprising?
Go back a few weeks and look up what happened when a women's group tried to hold a protest against violence against women in that same square.
They were attacked, stripped, beaten, their male escorts were beaten etc etc etc. They also claimed it was organised by....wait for it.

The Muslim Brotherhood!

Different shit same stench here. I spoke to a guy here in Italy who is from Egypt and he kept trying to convince me that it isn't true, women are respected in Egypt etc etc.
Yet here in Italy its WELL known that women tourists are warned not to go to Egypt if they are not with a male companion or they will be harassed. Last time I went to Marsa Alam I left my wife alone for a few minutes and came back to find guys giving her all sorts of shit till I stepped up and said something, they are nasty fucks to women I swear my wife had to drag me away from them. And this was in a resort, a place used to foreign women. The streets of cities like Cairo are far worse for women and tour guides warn you over and over and over about it.

#1484191 by Timex (Power User) at 2012-06-28 06:07:19 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Sadly it sucks to visit Egypt these days.

A few people in town went to visit 2 years ago...then good,now not so much.

#1484215 by mrunne (Power User) at 2012-06-28 12:52:07 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Timex wrote:

Sadly it sucks to visit Egypt these days.

A few people in town went to visit 2 years ago...then good,now not so much.

I've visited egypt twice in my life and both times the week after I leave they shot at tourists. Not going back again.

#1484219 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2012-06-28 13:32:18 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Who in their right mind (a person who is not a muslim) would want to visit a country which is ruled by islam ?

#1484228 by mrunne (Power User) at 2012-06-28 14:41:35 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

Who in their right mind (a person who is not a muslim) would want to visit a country which is ruled by islam ?

I went there cause I wanted to see the Pyramids at Giza and the Temples at Luxor also the valley of kings is interesting. Being there at the pyramids and the temples is a real eyeopener (for lack of a better word) at how an ancient culture flourished and was mighty back in the day.

They have nothing to do with the idiots roaming the country. It is really sad when idiots (religious zealots) stand in the way of culture

I never claimed to have liked the people there and I dont think I will. I have 0 friends who are muslim and I dont think I ever will.

#1484230 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-06-28 15:08:11 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

mrunne wrote:

I never claimed to have liked the people there and I dont think I will. I have 0 friends who are muslim and I dont think I ever will.

dude c'mon. How would everybody react if I said that I have never liked the people in israel and that I have 0 jewish friends and that I dont think I ever will?

I am sure you will be a great problem solver in an ever increasingly globalized world.

Other than that. I agree with most people here. Horrible that they do this in Egypt.

#1484243 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-06-28 15:54:47 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

Who in their right mind (a person who is not a muslim) would want to visit a country which is ruled by islam ?

It's one thing to visit, another to be completely naive.

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