Protests in The ME and Africa

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#1405227 by unknown[81460] at 2011-05-28 10:38:03 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

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#1405314 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2011-05-28 16:03:11 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Do you think Qaddafi will leave?

In Shift, Russia Agrees to Try to Talk Qaddafi Into Leaving

After a meeting with U.S. President Obama, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev agreed that Gaddafi has to go. They are sending diplomats to Benghazi. He also said that Russia would not offer Gaddafi asylum, but said that other countries could.

Russia is in a unique position to negotiate, he said, because “Russian soldiers have never fought against African countries and against the African people.

What do you think? Will that make other leaders..such as Venezuelan president hugo chavez change positions? or Brazil?

Or is this all just a show?

#1405392 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2011-05-28 19:53:39 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

dodeliatcha wrote:

Or is this all just a show?

Of course it is just a show. The longer he holds out against the West the less face he will lose if he is eventually forced to leave. The fact is that the coalition of oil grubbing Euro-peons don't have the moral right nor the balls to take him out so this is the alternative. Still wondering why the man who up till last year enjoyed good relations with EU countries and has never done anything to them is being forced out militarily while in Syria and Yemen they shoot people in the street and all they get in return is a sharply wagged finger in their direction.

BTW Chavez is yawning down South.

#1405401 by austin2870 Donor

(Power User) at 2011-05-28 20:12:31 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

VeryBadGuy wrote:

oil grubbing Euro-peons

The cheek,, the US does have its oil interests in Libya too you know. it's not just us grubbing Europeans.
You think the US would be there now if it wasn't for their own interests.
It looked like the US oil companies were going to be thrown out of Libya soon along with the europeans if gadaffi stayed in power, that is the only reason the oil grubbing Americans are there along with the rest of us.

#1405452 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2011-05-28 23:15:18 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

austin2870 wrote:

VeryBadGuy wrote:

oil grubbing Euro-peons

ROFLMMFAO

USA invades Dictator (and much worse guy than Qaddafi) Saddam Hussein's country and it's marches in the streets of every EU capital. Everywhere you see signs "NO WAR FOR OIL" and other shit like that (Even though not a single contract was awarded to an American oil company). Then a few years later the EU led by France (you remember them? The guys who had moral problems attacking their old buddy Saddam) even go as far as trying to kill Qaddafi. And as far as you can see in Europe it's all "It's ok, he is a bad man so no worries trying to kill his family with bombs." But until the revolution he was buddy buddy with loads of EU countries even owning portions of FIAT, Juventus and UNICredit bank in Italy.

We make war for "oil" and it's bad, horrible, a "crime against humanity" and my favourite "Bush is a war criminal"

Yet

EU makes war with LESS allies on a person who has done them absolutely NO harm whatsoever for "oil" and it's all ok, fantastic, " we are getting rid of a bad man" etc etc.

That is the very definition of Hypocrisy...

#1405462 by austin2870 Donor

(Power User) at 2011-05-28 23:49:37 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

VeryBadGuy wrote:

austin2870 wrote:

VeryBadGuy wrote:

oil grubbing Euro-peons

What has that rant got to do with the bit that I posted, even if I do agree with what you say.

The point I tried to make was that it's not just europeans in Libya, Your own government has a big hand in this too. just because Obama is wise enough to let the french Italians and british take the credit (and the blame if things go sour) for everything while influencing things from the sidelines doesn't mean that the Americans are clean in this shitty mess and they aren't involved purely for their own oil interests.

#1405472 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2011-05-29 01:03:58 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

austin2870 wrote:

did I argue any of that?
I didn't vote for that fucktard anyways so I don't accept the blame.

The Americans on the other hand have a long memory and Lockerbie The Berlin disco bombings and the release of the lockerbie bomber to dancing cheering Libyans, still way in the back of our minds. Now remind me exactly what Qaddafi did to the French, Spanish, British and Italians other than give them preferential treatment in their oil fields and invest his money in their countries?

What I am saying IS that it's clear the world to see that the oil interests of the Italians, French and British (BP behind the Lockerbie bombers release anyone) are far more obvious than any US interests in Iraq yet the European Hypocrites sing a different tune when it's "their" interests at heart. That isn't "cheek" that's the truth. The real cheek is the gall that Europeans have in doing the exact same thing that the US did while calling it "justified" is downright disgusting.

#1405485 by austin2870 Donor

(Power User) at 2011-05-29 01:38:06 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

VeryBadGuy wrote:

Now remind me exactly what Qaddafi did to the French, Spanish, British and Italians other than give them preferential treatment in their oil fields and invest his money in their countries?

What he did to the French, Spanish, British and Italians that prompted this is the same reason that the Americans are involved. He made plans in 2009 to nationalise the foreign controlled Libyan oil industries which would have hit european and US oil supplies

VeryBadGuy wrote:

What I am saying IS that it's clear the world to see that the oil interests of the Italians, French and British (BP behind the Lockerbie bombers release anyone) are far more obvious than any US interests in Iraq yet the European Hypocrites sing a different tune when it's "their" interests at heart. That isn't "cheek" that's the truth. The real cheek is the gall that Europeans have in doing the exact same thing that the US did while calling it "justified" is downright disgusting.

Just because there haven't been protests about this yet doesn't mean all Europeans agree with this, or believe the horse shit the governments are feeding us about it being a humanitarian mission.
I'm sure the same goes for many americans.

You seemed to make out in your original post that it was just europeans that are involved in Libya, but the US has more oil interests in libya than any other single country involved.
The US are still denying this is a war for oil, even your own president calls this a humanitarian mission for the Libyan people

Anyone who thinks the war in Iraq was wrong but Libya is justified because they believe the shit they are being fed, is a hypocrite.
But I am not one of them.

#1405493 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2011-05-29 02:40:36 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

austin2870 wrote:

You seemed to make out in your original post that it was just europeans that are involved in Libya, but the US has more oil interests in libya than any other single country involved.
The US are still denying this is a war for oil, even your own president calls this a humanitarian mission for the Libyan people

Last time I checked the US and UK account for less than 10 percent of Libyan oil sales. While the Italians on the other hand get more than 50 percent of their oil from Libya (a total of 32% of ALL Libyan oil exports go to them) . In fact over 80 percent of all Libyan oil exports are to European countries.

You want the break down?

Italy 32%
Germany 14%
France 10%
Spain 9%
China 10%
US 5%
Brazil 3%
Other EU countries 14%
Other Asia 4%

Sorry care to explain how these numbers do not support your wild claim that the US has more oil interest in Libya than any other country? :blink:

In fact further research shows that almost 90% of all US oil imports come from 10 countries of which Libya is not one.

Canada, Mexico, SA, Venezuela, Nigeria, Columbia, Iraq, Russia, Algeria and Angola account for 87% of all US oil imports.

Only 48% of our imports come from OPEC countries and further only 17% of that comes from Persian Gulf countries.

#1405497 by austin2870 Donor

(Power User) at 2011-05-29 03:27:58 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

VeryBadGuy wrote:

Sorry care to explain how these numbers do not support your wild claim that the US has more oil interest in Libya than any other country? :blink:

Your figures show where the oil is sold to, not the nationality of the companies that produce it

The individual foreign company that produces the largest amount of oil in libya is Italian (Eni)
And equal to that in production by nationality is from a group of US companies.(Amerada Hess, Marathon, Occidental)
plus ExxonMobil has a massive lease worth billions that is still in early stages and not producing yet but production is expected to make the company the largest individual foreign producer in libya.

That is how I explain my wild claims
i'll try and post some details and sources about this in the morning.

#1405529 by unknown[397565] at 2011-05-29 08:57:32 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

VeryBadGuy wrote:

You want the break down?

Italy 32%
Germany 14%
France 10%
Spain 9%
China 10%
US 5%
Brazil 3%
Other EU countries 14%
Other Asia 4%

source?

edit:

unless that is the percentage of oil to the total usage of the country, which is pointless, it should be the percentage of lybian oil instead since the 5% of american might just be double the lets say 10% of france

#1405536 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2011-05-29 09:32:21 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

malavoglia wrote:

unless that is the percentage of oil to the total usage of the country, which is pointless, it should be the percentage of lybian oil instead since the 5% of american might just be double the lets say 10% of france

the source is here: http://ei-01.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Libya/Oil.html

backed up by reuters here: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/ … 2J20110222

Quote:

EXPORTS

Libya is a net exporter of oil. Its domestic consumption is estimated at only around 270,000 barrels a day.

Over 85 percent of its crude exports go to Europe, while around 13 percent goes east of the Suez Canal to Asia. Around 32 percent of Libyan oil goes to Italy, 14 percent to Germany, 10 percent to China and France and 5 percent to the United States.

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#1446195 by DXD Donor

(Die-hard Staff) at 2011-12-01 23:46:29 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

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#1458771 by kuskela Donor

(Dr. Bombay) at 2012-02-06 03:30:27 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

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#1458772 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2012-02-06 03:49:06 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

A year ago, I was against the revolution in Egypt, .. I was wrong ...

I am not really that into politics, I only got to know politics on 28th of January 2011 when they cut-off the internet .. , and i had few assumptions, most of which were wrong.

now, i think that taking the most possible peaceful way to achieve full transition of power is the best way,

the scaf says that they will give full power to elected president/parliament .. i have to believe that because the alternative might not be good.

#1458802 by mrunne (Power User) at 2012-02-06 10:06:37 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

hmhef wrote:

the scaf says that they will give full power to elected president/parliament .. i have to believe that because the alternative might not be good.

Only time will tell. All it takes is a general with too much lust for power to turn things into a dictatorship.

#1458846 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-02-06 15:07:58 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

We are all worried that monkeys might take control of egypt (Salafists and parts of the muslims brotherhood)..

But all leaders in the middle east should know that they cant limit the freedoms of their people..otherwise they will rebel again..

so if a new leader comes along..and is stupid enough to limit freedom and supresses his people..then he too will pay the price..

anyways..I heard that the most famous comedian/actor in the middle east got arrested for insulting islam..thats just sick -.-

Already on the wrong track..

25% of the vote went to salafists..and alomst 50 % to the muslim brotherhood...already on the wrong track..dont expect a full democracy.. Any nation that cannot seperate church and state..(in this case mosque and state) is not free.

good luck..you definately need it..

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#1473410 by pimpNeasy007 Donor

(Staff) at 2012-04-26 16:57:23 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

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#1473470 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-04-26 20:42:02 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

This is just crazy. :blink:

link

#1473475 by ezzy525 Donor

(Not a spy, just a mod.) at 2012-04-26 20:50:02 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

mbodnar wrote:

This is just crazy. :blink:

link

The comments at the bottom of the article seem to call bullshit on this. Anyone care to verfiy? If it's true, that is some sick shit! :sick:

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#1473477 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-04-26 20:54:13 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Google news comes up with articles from a lot of different sources. It appears legit.

#1473720 by alupigus (Lumberjack) at 2012-04-28 20:10:36 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

mbodnar wrote:

This is just crazy. :blink:

link

What?

#1473732 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2012-04-28 21:55:46 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

what are those different sources?

#1473736 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2012-04-28 22:25:49 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

dodeliatcha wrote:

what are those different sources?

http://bit.ly/Ig7it5

#1473738 by unknown[397565] at 2012-04-28 22:42:00 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

mbodnar wrote:

This is just crazy. :blink:

link

Holy fuck... :rofl:

Looks like Egypt deposed a dictator to turn the country over to Islamist hardcore fucktards, like everyone feared, excellent!

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