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#1383805 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-03-09 01:28:44 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Maybe you are not explaining yourself well demagh, but it seems you keep insisting there is no animosity toward Christians in Egypt while at the same time implying there is this insidious Christian plot behind everything

#1383818 by demagh (User) at 2011-03-09 02:42:32 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

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dont you see how ridiculous that sounds ???

not at all, this has been stated by the following:
- Alaa al Aswany
- Omar Afifi
- Bilal Fadl
- Ahmad Khaled Tawfik

if these are not respected enough for you to hear/read, then suit yourself, but that's not my PERSONAL conclusion or theory.

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it seems that some people are just trying to make justification to the chaos, and for the revolution itself with some crazy conspiracy theories ..

want to argue again?! cuz i thought we were over that, just skip the parts that you don't like in my posts, and act like it never happened

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all the heads are in jail, and the national security itself is not 'active' anymore as their work place was destroyed ...

ALL?!
wow, that was .. totally unexpected .. even from you, i bet if you think hard, you can get a name or two who were not mentioned at all in trials/jails/custody .. think harder, hint?! parliament heads + armed forces head, another hint?! nah .. that's enough

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regarding the armed forces head, the ppl are trying to ignore the fact that he was one of the previous regimes personnels and shout everywhere "the army, the ppl, together", but it is politics i think, since the army is siding with the ppl and refused to use force against them, let's act like they are war heroes and don't concentrate on their previous files/agendas
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do you really think that all the shit in the country is due to the dead regime, and that all the egyption people are just cute peaceful bunnies , and we have no thugs or thieves , at all ?

-No, i believe the emptiness of the streets from police officers is not coincidental, where the heck are they?! it has been a month already since they revolution ended, come on, do your work/duty.

- I believe thugs entering homes in alex, killing random ppl without stealing a thing from their homes .. are there for another/greater/scarier reason

-I believe that thugs in work right now, are the same ones were in work from 28th of January till 11/2/2011, are the same who were in the parliament elections assisting the cheaters. You think now that the peaceful protesters in tahrir turned wild after the removal of the president and looking for christian/muslim blood?! weren't there christians as well who didn't complain ONCE within 18 days from muslims and vice versa?! You want me to leave all this behind and just believe that the REASON uniting us is gone and now that's our real face?!

-I believe in friendship between christians and muslims, i got few of them myself, my brother's dearest/closest friend is a christian, we still meet and discuss the current situations without pointing fingers and with no sensitivity

finally, you think because their "National Security Agency" offices were burnt they are now jobless?! i can't confirm that "as my friend there is depressed and not talking to anyone", but it is not working for me as a simple logical statement. Heard of the Villa of the National Security officer who tried to burn the documents in its yard?! and when they brought the army to investigate he had a car full of weapons?! if not, check masrawy/dostor/al masry el yoom websites, yesterday's news

anyway, just as i said, skip the parts you don't like, and act like i am not posting in this forums anymore

@qbert95
what i am saying is, the normal/average christian-muslim relationship got nothing to do with whatever is happening right now in the media/streets, these are attempts to drive ppl's attention from attempts to regain some control over the lost country, and of course the well known, most famous war statement in these situations "divide and conquer".

Ppl who benefited from the previous regime are still in power/got money and connections and ppl with black history who want to cover it up are still alive .. so .. that's what's keeping the attempts up to regain some control before they are all wiped out.

Again, as said before, Habib Al Adly "previous ministor of internal affairs" is now being accused of the incident happened at the beginning of this year were a church in Alexandria had a random explosion in front of it, that resulted in death of 21 christians 2 muslims and injuries to more than 90 christians and muslims, mostly christians, still looking for the evidence presented in this case, but got no idea what are they yet.

Finally, Muhammad Hassan, a very well known/popular/lovable islamic scholar here in Egypt, is going tomorrow to Atfie'h "hard to pronounce even in arabic, Atfee7" in an attempt to unite muslims/christians there and contribute positively in such occasion, heard that both muslims and christians will attend the conference to resolve the issue ASAP.

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revised stuff
@qbert again
if that's not a clear explanation to the situation, feel free to ask again, or point things you didn't get out and i'll do my best next time to elaborate more clearly. I didn't proof read my previous posts and when that happens usually some awful grammatical mistakes and some serious sentence fragments might give the reader difficulties to understand the intended meaning, excuse me for that.

@VBG
good point/argument, but i didn't mean to take the numbers to any side and be held responsible for them, i am just saying, the troops there aren't making it a piece of earthly heaven with flowers and gardens everywhere.

about the women protesters, well, i can't find any arabic sources for that, still may be tomorrow in the newspapers or something.

Last edited by demagh at 2011-03-09 03:45:22

#1383884 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2011-03-09 12:05:38 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

demagh wrote:

@VBG
good point/argument, but i didn't mean to take the numbers to any side and be held responsible for them, i am just saying, the troops there aren't making it a piece of earthly heaven with flowers and gardens everywhere.

about the women protesters, well, i can't find any arabic sources for that, still may be tomorrow in the newspapers or something.

not at all..but at least now there is hope that Iraq can change. Before with Saddam and his henchmen in power it was never going to happen..ask the Kurds when they tried and Iraq is too fractured a society with Sunni, Shia, christians, kurds etc etc to ever unite.

As for the article about the women...well I don't think the AP are known for making things up. Same square where it's well known women get fondled and groped while in public gatherings. Same square where an American news reporter found herself being beaten and assualted (but that was blamed on Mubarek supporters if I recall)

I appreciate your enthusiasm and your belief that things are going to change...but I am old cynic and I expect the worst in everyone...usually I am not disappointed.

#1383902 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2011-03-09 12:57:23 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

VeryBadGuy wrote:

demagh wrote:

This is exactly what I've been saying. War was stupid(since americans did not benefit and got you into alot of debt) but iraq has a fighting chance without saddam..

the number of people killed during saddams worst years is higher than the entire iraq war.for sure.....his security apparatus was too powerful for any uprising (see 1992 uprisings people) Saddam was also isolated, which means he could have used more inhuman means against his people..

btw Buddy42, wasnt that deal signed between bush and maliki after barack obama had been elected president? And if I remember it correctly the deal in 2008 was not exactly the same one as in 2009..some changes where made..

but I still think that the bush administration signed the deal to "lock" the obama administration in taking that path..so they did it while he was president elect..when he had made clear his views of the war

( not exactly like they had a choice? had they signed a deal for u.s troops to leave by 2012/2013 obama might have overturned it..since he was already elected and had made clear his views about the war..and that he was going to focus on afghanistan.. this is my opinion

I might be mistaken..since you're the american please correct me

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#1383976 by demagh (User) at 2011-03-09 18:45:35 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

@VBG
no sources till now about the women incident "it was mentioned indirectly that the army arrested some thugs who attacked a group of women yesterday on their way to tahrir (just normal women, not protesters)". I am not accusing AP of making stuff up, but i am more concerned about WHY isn't there something in Arabic written about this?! The CBS reporter incident was shown in most known sites/newspapers, why wouldn't this?!

Anyway, I am an old cynic as well, but i believe sometimes that change is stronger than hidden intentions. Today 100 more thugs were arrested down town who were chasing, throwing stones towards whoever in El-Tahrir square, don't know who was there yet TBH (some say it became a place for homeless and poor, haven't been there for a while now).

Some news related to the christian/muslim incidents, Al-Dostor reported a known registered "dangerous" thug leading a group of thugs in the incidents yesterday in "mansheyet nassir, close to the Citadel, Mokatam" (13 dead, 100 injuries, mostly muslims this time "75 injured from them") who is known for his relations with some of the The National Democratic Party personnels.

There are some unconfirmed information about the person he took his orders from, so till they are confirmed i am not gonna point fingers.

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Finally, Essam Sharaf, the newly elected prime minister, confirmed the existence of an anti-revolution scenario being performed against the revolution's demands and principles in an official meeting held today.
http://www.masrawy.com/News/Egypt/Polit … haraf.aspx >> google translation works worst with the arabic language i guess

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http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos- … 7794_n.jpg
the Atfee'h conference i told you guys about earlier, looks like it succeeded

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7iQqE2w … r_embedded

A religious Azhar graduate joining the christian protesters

quick translation:
I came from Al-Sharkeya specifically to return the favor as you guys protected us when we were praying. I am a civil engineer and if you would allow me to supervise on the reconstruction of the church me and my friend "who was talking previously" can contribute to that even if we have to do the hard labor/work ourselves. Finally, they want it to be a religious war/Fitna, but this will never happen.

then shouting
"Let's go Kopts hand in hand, tomorrow will bring you your rights for sure"

just wanted you guys to watch the other side of the story, which is usually NOT opened/discussed/brought to the western media.

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#1384222 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-03-10 19:17:50 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Both the AP and Al Jezeera are breaking news that the Saudi police open fire on protestors. Not much info beyond that atm, but Saudi is the big guy in all this and if it gets destabilized there the entire world is going to feel it.

*edit* from the Washington Post...

Saudi police open fire at protest

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A witness in the eastern city of Qatif says gunfire and stun grenades were fired at several hundred protesters marching in the city streets Thursday. The witness, speaking on condition of anonymity because he feared government reprisal, said police in the area opened fire. The witness saw at least one protester injured.

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#1384257 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2011-03-10 21:46:19 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

demagh wrote:

Ask arab news sources that...a google search finds dozens upon dozens of independent and well known national news sources printing this story

And what about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tvtqCMDFIk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKiBCGIlsw4

That fake too?

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#1384274 by demagh (User) at 2011-03-10 23:19:32 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

VeryBadGuy wrote:

That fake too?

what was the first thing i said was fake?!
and i didn't accuse you or any of your sources of being fake, y so serious?

finally, the first video shows a bunch of confused women, sometimes it is equal rights, others sexual harassment and finally contributing in making a constitution?! who deprived them of all that?!

as for equal rights, ok, let's say we need some progress regarding this issue, though i strongly disagree to generalize that depending on which part of egypt are we talking about, but ok, let's go with that.

contributing in making a country/laws/whatever"the Hillary Clinton part" , women's voices are counted within our elections .. wtf do they need more ?!?! we have them lawyers, judges and with RESERVED seats in the parliament, again, what do they need more?!

Finally, sexual harassment, it is happening everywhere world wide and once it is reported to the police/even family, this might turn to blood, specially in Egypt. And i remember not long ago a video from somewhere in France "right qbert?! my memory is playing tricks i guess" a group of CANADIANS "black ppl as qbert call them" were harassing lots of women in broad daylight, they even stripped one off topless, was that mentioned in NATIONAL news papers all over the world and drove your attention "then" similarly like it happened in Egypt?! I don't like forgetting key issues in the world and focusing on them in certain continents/countries, unless i am missing something.

2nd video, for sure you must be kidding, this could be two ppl fighting over whatever, "don't step on my foot again you jackass ... " or something ... i can't hear/understand the whole conversation, not even a word, so, i should go with the video's title?!

i won't call it fake "so you won't take it personally, plus you accused me of saying that which i didn't and i don't want to know what will happen if i actually did -.-", but that proves nothing.

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#1384285 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-03-11 00:13:37 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Read a pretty spot on article about why the US shouldn't get involved in Libya by good old Pat Buchanan..

It's Their War, Not Ours

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If we attack Libya, we could not let Gadhafi prevail and plot revenge attacks on U.S. airliners. Having wounded the snake, we would have to go in and kill it. And the interventionists know this, and this is what they are all about.

Never strike a king unless you kill him. In for a dime, in for a dollar. If we declare a no-fly zone, we have to attack Libya. And if we attack Libya, an act of war, we have to see that the war is won.

And after that victory, we could not wash our hands and walk away. We would have to ensure the new government was democratic and a model to the Muslim world, as we are trying to do in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Do we really want to adopt another Muslim country?

Don't start down a road the end of which you cannot see or do not know. There is no vital U.S. interest in whether Gadhafi wins or is deposed. We ought to stay out. This is their war, not ours.

Good to know there are still some true conservative left out there

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#1384401 by dodeliatcha (User) at 2011-03-11 13:29:58 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

last time I checked..it was your party that started the two wars..and spent trillions while people in your country went to bed hungry at night..

last time I checked it was your party that got you into a shitload of debt(4 trillion) from china..

last time I checked it was during your watch the banks went crazy and the entire u.s. fell into an economic crisis far worse than any since the great depression..and you still wouldnt want to raise taxes or cut defense spending..

last time I checked..it was during the republican watch that the EU, China,japan and russia all surpassed you in embryonic stem cell research since bush banned federal grants for it.....good fucking job even the russians -.- with their 1,4 trillion economy -.-

last time I checked it was your party that almost unanimously agreed to a war than was based on false intelligence..(mistake or no mistake)

and thought there were WMDs.

last time I checked it was your party that turned a budget surplus into a budget deficit..thats unbelievable

thats what you get for raising spending AND cutting taxes and the same time..

last time I checked..it was during your watch that healthcare spending doubled..to the point that it was approx 210% of european per capita spending..yet your healthcare was really bad..and ours is fairly good..

borrowed money..to bomb and destroy bridges in iraq and aghanistan..while you had no money to build bridges in america..while russia,china and iran build their own..

last time I checked it was during the republican presidency that you pulled out of the ABM treaty with russia..like it had something to do with terrorism..and practically started a small arms race..

last time I checked..it was your speaker of the house..john boehner that handed out fat checks from the tobacco industry on capitol hill..and now has an idea how to get good healthcare..

last time I checked..it was your party that destroyed americas picture abroad..you were nothing to look up to anymore..

last time I checked you were the only country that refused to abide by a treaty to ban arms in space..under the bush watch..now practically every big country is creating space weapons..good job..

and already..2 years later..you want the keys back? -.- because you did a great fucking job..

Yeah I hope huckabee wins..we are all hoping for huckabee or newt gingrich..or romney..

they can solve americas problems..boehner..eric cantor..michelle bachmann... jesus christ..

no true conservative will win..the only true conservatives are rand paul and ron paul..none of them have a chance ( they are acually pretty respectable) they are not hypocritical..

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#1384450 by unknown[293451] at 2011-03-11 15:58:40 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

dodeliatcha wrote:

last time I checked..it was your party that started the two wars..and spent trillions while people in your country went to bed hungry at night..

Firstly, no one went hungry in the US over the Iraq or Afghan war. Don't know where you get that from. Secondly, you do exactly what I was telling VBG in another thread that is so typical of Europeans when talking about the US and Israel, you lack context. You said "your party that started the two wars', as if to say we went and started 2 wars just for the hell of it, I guess we got bored. It, of course had nothing to do with 9/11, no WE STARTED TWO WARS. I love how you guys become so simplistic when talking about the US and Israel.

dodeliatcha wrote:

last time I checked it was your party that got you into a shitload of debt(4 trillion) from china..

Do you think that once the Republicans won the white house that Democrats all went home? Do you think they lost all power? Nearly every state in the US is in the red, both Republican and Democrat alike. Also, the debt we owe now I believe is somewhere around 10 trillion. Both Republicans and Democrats are to blame for our debt, but don't let me get in the way of your simplistic way of thinking.

dodeliatcha wrote:

last time I checked it was during your watch the banks went crazy and the entire u.s. fell into an economic crisis far worse than any since the great depression..and you still wouldnt want to raise taxes or cut defense spending..

The typical mantra by the left. "It happened on his watch". Again, so simplistic. Never mind every thing else that happened before Bush got elected. That stuff doesn't matter. Everything that was passed by Bill Clinton and the Presidents before him all were marked void as soon as Bush got elected. Therefore, Bush owns it all.

Look up the CRA (Community Reinvestment Act), read up on Fannie May and Freddie Mac (not surprisingly everyone that ran FM-FM held a position in the Clinton Administration). Read up on how under Carter the CRA was passed and was further deregulated under Clinton. Both Bush and McCain tried to pass legislation in 2002 and 2005 to better regulate CRA and the Democrats in congress went nuts and started accusing them of racism, you know, the usual from the left when they can't intelligibly argue their point. Or just watch this video, It's 10mins. long but it explains how the economic crisis happened. Maybe after wards you'll actually be educated on such matters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4

dodeliatcha wrote:

last time I checked it was your party that turned a budget surplus into a budget deficit..thats unbelievable

thats what you get for raising spending AND cutting taxes and the same time..

Wow, quite ignorant. Firstly, government revenue increased under Bush after he cut taxes. Secondly, there never was a surplus under Clinton. It was a 10-year projected surplus. Their was no money in the bank. Also, Clinton borrowed 1 trillion dollars from the General Social Security Fund to pay off some of the debt. Which is typical of Democrats. He cut the debt under his watch by a trillion. Only thing is that that money had to be paid back. So, it was all cosmetic and nothing more.

dodeliatcha wrote:

last time I checked..it was during your watch that healthcare spending doubled..to the point that it was approx 210% of european per capita spending..yet your healthcare was really bad..and ours is fairly good..

This is just some more crazy talk. Health care in the US far surpasses that of Europe. You people are crazy. You know nothing of American health care and you guys talk as if you have intimate knowledge.

Canadians visit U.S. to get health care
http://www.freep.com/article/20090820/B … 0420/1319/

Most Cancer Survival Rates in USA Better Than Europe and Canada
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/second … nd-canada/

Sorry to burst your bubble there buddy, but you are much more likely to survive cancer in the US than anywhere else in the world. I wonder if the UN uses such statistics when ranking each countries health care? I would bet all that I have the answer is no. So, you Europeans can bask in the joy that your health care is better than ours, based upon trivial statistics like life expectancy rates which is not a relevant indicator of quality of health care, and amount of money spent, while Americans are fending off the most fatal killer in the world at a much better rate than you people. Don't worry Euros you can still depend on America to provide you with all that high tech life saving medical devices and medicines.

As for the rest. Blah! I've wasted enough time responding to European ignorance.

#1385122 by Waylander Donor

(Power User) at 2011-03-13 11:01:43 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Yes, because cancer is the only sickness on earth. Anyway aren't you doing the same thing now?

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#1385205 by unknown[293451] at 2011-03-13 16:18:12 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Waylander wrote:

Yes, because cancer is the only sickness on earth.

No, but it is the most deadly. You see, such things are actual indicators of quality of health care.

Waylander wrote:

Anyway aren't you doing the same thing now?

I believe you're talking about that 2000 page piece of legislation that was forced upon Americans. Don't worry though, as it won't last long. Nearly every state is fighting against it.

#1385215 by Waylander Donor

(Power User) at 2011-03-13 16:34:43 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Buddy42 wrote:

I was referring to this actually. In my opinion this statement is pretty stupid since you on one hand say that people should not talk shit when they have no idea what they are going on about and then you go and do the same thing yourself.

#1385222 by unknown[293451] at 2011-03-13 16:50:30 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Waylander wrote:

Buddy42 wrote:

I said that quality of American health care surpasses that of Europe and I provided statistics for cancer survival rates that prove that. It's always Europeans talking about American health care, not the other way around. Typically, you'll only hear Americans speak of European health in defense of our own. I don't speak as if I have intimate knowledge of Euro health care, but I can say that quality of health care is better in the US based upon survival statistics. You Euros attack every single facet of health care in the US.

#1385281 by Waylander Donor

(Power User) at 2011-03-13 19:18:00 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

This is not a thread about healthcare, but as I said cancer is one disease. You can not prove that you have better general health care.

#1385286 by sniperfin (Camo admin) at 2011-03-13 19:37:51 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

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I said that quality of American health care surpasses that of Europe and I provided statistics for cancer survival rates that prove that.

No, that only proves that in america the cancer survival rates are higher than in europe.
You can't be that stupid that you try to cover the whole healthcare with statistics by one disease ?
If you check statistics which gather information about health care widely, lot's of european countries are better positioned than �S (in average).
I don't doubt that the top notch medical knowledge could be the best in the world, but health care is much more than that as whole.

#1385292 by mbodnar (Airborne Mod) at 2011-03-13 20:05:10 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Lol it's not only cancer, that's just a single good example. You can also throw in how much better, and more aggressively, we treat heart disease. Simple fact of the matter is that if you're going to have a serious illness, the US is where you want to be.

edit: the entire issue seems way off topic tho. :-/

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#1385325 by unknown[293451] at 2011-03-13 21:14:41 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

sniperfin wrote:

No, that only proves that in america the cancer survival rates are higher than in europe.

Don't see why you added a slap before your comment. If cancer survival rates are higher in the US than in Europe, and in some cases much higher, than of course this is one of many clear indicators that quality of health care is better in the US. I used the cancer statistics as cancer of course is the most deadly disease. I'm sorry, perhaps I should ignore such things and focus mainly on life expectancy rates and amount of money spent like the typical European?

sniperfin wrote:

You can't be that stupid that you try to cover the whole healthcare with statistics by one disease ?

I'm not covering up anything. The statistics are what they are. You are more likely to survive the most deadliest disease in the US than any where else. You, on the other hand can be stupid and act as if such statistics are of just little significance.

sniperfin wrote:

If you check statistics which gather information about health care widely, lot's of european countries are better positioned than �S (in average).

Like what? Provide some statistics.

#1385328 by Waylander Donor

(Power User) at 2011-03-13 21:21:57 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Go to the healthcare thread, I am sure it can be opened for worthwhile discussion.

#1385369 by unknown[293451] at 2011-03-14 00:23:28 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Waylander wrote:

Go to the healthcare thread, I am sure it can be opened for worthwhile discussion.

You're right. Although I didn't start it I did continue an off topic discussion. No more health care talk from me in this thread.

Edit: To get back on topic. I've heard no one talk about a no-fly zone over Libya in this thread. Just curious as to whether you guys think the West should get militarily involved in Libya?

#1385905 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-03-15 23:03:14 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

The shoe has dropped and the Saudi's are full in at Bahrain, Sunni vs Shia. How will Iran respond?

#1386290 by Inspiration (Power User) at 2011-03-17 10:31:43 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

More importantly imo, seems the rebellion in Libya has failed and soon Gadaffi will rule the entire country again. I wonder if this is the outcome other nations have waited for... because it sure seems like most of the neighbors expected the rebels to win this and things would calm down.

When Gadaffi is back in power, can the international community still do something about it? I doubt anything will be done.

#1386401 by unknown[293451] at 2011-03-17 16:07:04 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Inspiration wrote:

If the "international community" didn't do anything while he was strafing protesters with jets and running them over with tanks, and when he was at the weakest he's ever been, then they're definitely not going to do anything if he gains back control. It's what all the weak leaders in the West want. Gaddafi gains back control and this whole thing goes away. Maybe they'll pass a resolution of condemnation at the UN. Don't worry, though, in a few years they'll be back on the "Human Rights Commission."

It's funny that the same European countries that were criticizing the US for removing Saddam are now some of the most vocal supporters of removing Gaddafi. Too bad the Euros are nothing more than talk and can only follow. As much as everyone hated Bush do you think Gaddafi would have pulled this shit under his watch?

#1386537 by Inspiration (Power User) at 2011-03-17 23:46:21 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Buddy42 wrote:

That's what I thought, but the UN just decided moments ago to enable themselves to use air strikes on Libya and put on the no-fly zone. BBC talks about UK planes over Libya this weekend... interesting turn of events.

I'm quite surprised and I have absolutely no idea where this is going... it seems too little too late for the rebellion because tonight their remaining stronghold in Banghazi will be attacked and likely taken by Gadaffi.

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