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#1381715 by Melrose86 (User) at 2011-02-28 19:54:30 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12603259

what a nutjob

#1381759 by Agent204 Donor

(Loud Mr.Miagi) at 2011-02-28 23:53:49 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

dodeliatcha wrote:

yeah well I didnt mean exacrtly iron grip, but they still have a tight grip.

But yeah you're right in that sense, I agree with you completely.

As for qbert95, I know the tianmen square massacre and all that, but would they acually do it again? That was two decades ago. I think that many people in China prefer the commmunist party because they are acually making the country stronger and keeping the economy in check. But many economists and "social scientists" if thats what you call them say that while chinas power will grow, they will face daunting tasks in the future, that may cause the nation to destabalize significantly.

EDIT : tbh, wasnt mubaraks regime considered one of the most stable in the middle east? nobody could have imagined it ever happening.

The thing is, most of the "social scientists" seem to be basing themselves on China transitioning into something very close to democracy at an unthinkable pace, at least those I've heard speak of the matter.

Of course there will be challenges regardless, for instance the new law reform they recently implemented, where they estimated that they needed about 150 000(?) new lawyers to fully implement it. Now with this in mind, it either A) Forcing China to open up more to the rest of the world or B) Forces China to focus more on higher education. Either way, the country will open up more. At least I don't see any other possible solutions

Unless they go for hidden option C) Not giving a ****, and if such a trend starts forming (which I doubt it will, considering these are reforms executed by the national party), things could go terribly wrong.

Oh well, pardon the derail.

#1381760 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-03-01 00:02:09 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I think China's biggest problem is going to be the male vs female imbalance caused by the one child policy. Ive read its somewhere close to 20 something million more men under than age of 30 than women and you can only imagine what kind of social unrest is going to be caused by so many men desperate for a wife and family. Unfortunately I know of only one way that a country can reduce its young male population and China is going to have a hell of a lot of them to spare.

#1381761 by demagh (User) at 2011-03-01 00:07:24 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

@buddy
well, the video you posted is the one i am talking about, though the one i am talking about doesn't have the word ISLAMIC in the title to misinform the public/watchers more than they already are.

Of course the video concentrates about the shooting part and the panic caused to those POOR Copts by those EVIL monsters calling themselves Egyptian ARMY .. etc .. seriously, do you want a child to believe that the army used force and caused panic for no reason at all?!

First you must know that the Egyptian army got some Christians/copts as well, not only consisting of MUSLIMS, and probably the one in charge right now is Coptic himself "they tend to avoid clashes like this by assigning the duty to one of them, a Muslim goes to Muslims a Coptic goes to copts" not sure though in this specific incident, was the one in charge one of them or not.

Also, to prove your point you totally ignored my suggestion "which is what most important/vital places do RIGHT NOW", which is paying for protection, and i can guarantee you it will be much cheaper if we are talking about temporary solutions

What i am trying to say, protection is just a lame excuse to extend the chruch's territory, when the current Egyptian situation is restored to normal, bringing this fence down will be an act of war from muslims towards coptics when it reaches the media by then.

Oh, finally, anba Bishoy "the one the church was named after, appearing @ 7:10" is one of the top 10 accused persons causing the islamic/christian conflict within the last 10 years in egypt.

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#1381762 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-03-01 00:13:20 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

demagh wrote:

Oh, finally, anba Bishoy "the one the church was named after, appearing @ 7:10" is one of the top 10 accused persons causing the islamic/christian conflict within the last 10 years in egypt.

I just did a quick google but I cant find a instances of Coptics killing Muslims, but there are plenty of different articles of Coptics being killed by the hundreds by Muslim extremists. How can there be a "conflict" between the two side when the only people being killed are the Coptics?

#1381766 by demagh (User) at 2011-03-01 00:38:54 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

when i am talking about causing conflicts, why do i have to include extremists in any side?! I am talking about general media announcements from him, his tendency to explain/elaborate/re-define some verses in Quran to "muslims" from his point of view in one of the most famous newspapers in Egypt .. etc.

The trouble makers list is long btw, many of the trouble causers are muslims themselves "and in no way i am gonna include extremists from both sides in a statement like that, talking about NORMAL public opinion shifters, not killers" i am talking about ppl affecting the public opinion from both sides .. negatively.

Of course the theory of National security being involved in most incidents between muslims/christians doesn't seem to be so nuts right now as they were trying to weaken the overall national unity, which has failed ... i wish ..

On a side note, the previous Minister of Internal Affairs is being accused now for the incident of the explosion attack on the church by the beginning of this year "Al-kedesyeen"

oh, and EXTREME coptics don't just kill ppl, they kidnap them as well with the help of the previous regime, search "Wafaa Constantine" a christian woman who changed her religion to islam and was taken by the chruch with the support of National Security "Egyptian Police working under the emergency law", of course the ratio of them killing is related to their fewer numbers and lower ratio than muslims, but again, extremists are not to be counted from ANY side within my arguments. Another example will be "Kamelia Shehata", but in an announcement 10 days later after she vanished, she came back claiming she never embarrassed Islam, and i just have my doubts she was told what to say ..

i don't know if there are translated videos for the person i am gonna mention, but it will be worth it if you find anything related to him speaking about the islamic/christian issue/conflict in Egypt within the last few years

"M. Selim Al Awa", will just make the image clearer for both sides and will deliver the REAL situation/relation between christians and muslims as it REALLY is, wish you find some translated videos of him on youtube, will look them up as well and post back if i found any.

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#1381785 by unknown[293451] at 2011-03-01 03:56:01 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

demagh wrote:

Also, to prove your point you totally ignored my suggestion "which is what most important/vital places do RIGHT NOW", which is paying for protection, and i can guarantee you it will be much cheaper if we are talking about temporary solutions

Who are they suppose to pay for protection?

demagh wrote:

Oh, finally, anba Bishoy "the one the church was named after, appearing @ 7:10" is one of the top 10 accused persons causing the islamic/christian conflict within the last 10 years in egypt.

Can you give me a source to this list of top ten people who are causing the conflict? Does the majority of the list compromise of Copts? Just curious.

#1381822 by demagh (User) at 2011-03-01 10:31:19 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Buddy42 wrote:

Who are they suppose to pay for protection?

1.Security services!!
2. Special forces from the army if the attacks are on great level of danger, City Stars in Nasr City - Cairo is protected by them, Squad 777
3. Thugs relatives >> you don't know how effective this was in Saray Mall in Hadayek, when thugs are about to attack, they see their relatives working in Security, and they don't want to cause them trouble or be a reason for them to get fired, oh and don't hire THUGS for whatever reason

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Can you give me a source to this list of top ten people who are causing the conflict? Does the majority of the list compromise of Copts? Just curious.

Sadly this was collected from sources from different newspapers through different times, can't just state them like that, they may not be reaching 10, and it is evenly divided between the two teams i think.

On the top of my head:
- M/Ibrahim al Mahalawy > islamic scholars in Alexandria
- Anba Bishoy > been through this before
- Father Shenoda > current head of copts
- M. Hussin Ya'koub > islamic scholar in Cairo
- Amr Adeeb > not constantly causing conflicts, but he helps within mostly as he got a famous program and the word spreads faster than it should sometimes

A list of countering party:
- M. Refa'a Al Tahtawy > islamic scholar who contributed personally in the last revolutions
- M. Selim Al Awa > something you can google i guess, a man who needs no introduction, or lots of them
- Al Azhar as a whole islamic organization

Sadly i don't find in my head any copts countering the conflict to put in this list, but i KNOW they exist

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_9DJO … 0282_n.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_9DJO … 4882_n.jpg
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_9DJO … 5138_n.jpg

^^
links for special security personnels from the army

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#1381914 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2011-03-01 16:00:50 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Are we talking about the coptians now? A shrinking minority in Egypt, a minority which under Mubarak at least were offered minimal "democratic" protection under Islamic rule. But what about now?

Months ago churches were being burned on a regular basis; when someone showed that picture of coptic Christians "protecting" sunni Muslims protesting, or praying, by forming a circle of hands around them, was their motive really love, evidence of a Egyptian commeraderi present now among every Egyptian regardless of religion, or simple appeasement? Equal rights for every Egyptian right?

#1381935 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2011-03-01 16:59:13 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

@demagh

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last friday they failed reaching a million protester in el-tahrir square.

and they failed every time, and will still continue to fail, until you invent a way to put 1 million person in a place were it only has capacity for 0.2million

1 - go to google maps, and use their scale, and calculate approximate areas that you saw people standing, in meter square
2 - consider the space occupied by tents, tanks and food carts
3 - assume an average person per meter square, ~4 ...
4- multiple number of meter square by the number of persons per meter square to find the maximum number of possible individuals to be there
:-P

and not being able to collect 100k in tahrir square, meaning that the people just living around tahrir square were not interseted enough to see what the hell do this people wants, notice that around you are : wesst elbalad, ramses, shobra, 3ataba, sayeda-zeinab, zamalek, doki, boulak, ...

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these were met too late
in unacceptable forms
the opposition took some leadership in the revolution and prepared a list of 5~7 demands

when the demands that people started with on 25th changed, and some started to select leaders, are you sure that those demands/leaders represents what the rest of the EIGHTY-TWO MILLION wants ?????

how the fuck am i supposed to trust someone like 'e2telaf elthawra' or any similar group, dictating what we should do next, when:
- they didnt consider the possibilty that there just might be a different opinion,
- trying to run the coutry with protests and facebook votes
- no one knows those people's political background or religious background and principles , except that they oppose to the old regime

#1381995 by unknown[293451] at 2011-03-01 20:50:45 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

demagh wrote:

So, essentially the Copts need to hire Muslims to protect them from....Muslims?

demagh wrote:

You call what is occurring between the Copts and the Muslims in Egypt a conflict as if it's two sides who are attacking one another. From what I know of the situation it's basically one side getting attacked (Copts) and the other side doing all the attacking (Muslims). Perhaps I'm wrong and you can enlighten me? Maybe you can give me some examples of Copts attacking Muslims in Egypt? Like let's say, something like, a Coptic suicide bomber walking into a Mosque during prayer and blowing himself up killing 21 Muslims right after New Year's Eve. You know, something like that.

#1382004 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2011-03-01 21:24:19 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

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To paint it as a two groups conflict is a misrepresentation. The copts have been socially marginalized by a muslim majority in Egypt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copts#Pers … n_in_Egypt

#1382031 by demagh (User) at 2011-03-01 22:55:07 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Buddy42 wrote:

So, essentially the Copts need to hire Muslims to protect them from....Muslims?

double extra face plam combo

as said/stated before, all services, companies contain both religions in their personnels, security services, army, police .. all the same

didn't think i'll have to repeat that

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Nah, but you totally ignored me differentiating between regular muslim/coptic society and extremists from both sides. From the coptic side, i clearly stated a kidnapping example which wasn't enough for you for some reason, may be because it was supported from the previous regime police force?!

@hmhef
i did reply to these points before, among the posts from the beginning on these points and i don't feel like repeating myself now, but for the last time

counting the square alone means you know nothing about the geography of the place, the side roads, the pavements, inside buildings, between buildings .. extend that to abdel monem reyad from one side, through kasr el neel bridge till opera and finally going deeper into the street joining falaking/lazoghly

Also, in Hagg, have you ever heard of MENNA?! ask anyone how much can that place called MENNA can hold theoretically, then see the numbers of Hajeej

Finally, to end this once and for all, so, it is not millions, what other GREATER number of ppl held a place for a nobler/more decent cause within this particular time to pay them better respect than those of tahrir?!

@e2tilaf part >>
>> chosen technocrat personnels "closest translation i could think of right now, correct me if i am wrong"

you weren't there to say your opinion and contribute, why should you complain NOW?! You kept negative, you had an opinion .. live with it. If it is something important for you, you should;ve spent more time/effort countering it .. hard luck

also, when 120,000 persons are present in the stadium supporting the Egyptian team and the rest watching through TV/radio/whatever, does that mean that the rest of egypt is not supporting their team?!

the counts only goes one way, if you wanted to be taken seriously/counted as well .. why didn't you/anyone form a group on facebook to put the revolution into its REAL place .. from your point of view of course.

@hog/buddy
problem with the coptic/islamic relation in egypt, there is the STREET view, i call it public .. and EXTREMIST view, i call it bad press

the photos of muslims and christians in the revolution, is the public one .. the one i care for, the one i think is affected by the list i created above negatively/possitively

the extremist views, fuck that .. seriously, i don't have to defend those .. i am against it, everyone i know is against it .. it never affected my friendship with my coptic neighbors and friends.

between the lines in my previous post, one of the accused heads in the latest explosion is the minister of internal affairs as well, still no news on hard evidence .. but hell .. logically speaking, who was benefiting from driving us apart from each other?!

a question that was answered clearly in the revolution

viva la resistance

EDITED:
for more information, seriously guys, look for translated videos of "M. Selim Al Awa", will save you a lot of time understanding the REAL position of coptics in Egypt and the REAL relationship between muslims/coptics present in the streets.

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#1382047 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2011-03-01 23:53:39 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

@demagh

aljezzera news channel have said that there were 4 millions
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/t/aljazee … 84576.html
can not find a real link , but i heard it too on aljazeera.

even with people extending through all those streets is not enough to pass the 1 million mark imo, as i said in my earlier post it can go up to 600~900k

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counting the square alone means you know nothing about the geography of the place

I have relatives who lives there

i have real videos taken from some of the windows

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Finally, to end this once and for all, so, it is not millions, what other GREATER number of ppl held a place for a nobler/more decent cause within this particular time to pay them better respect than those of tahrir?!

I have no problem with the people original intentions and i was one of the people that didnt want gamal mubarak or he corruption... etc, BUT, i did not like the way of 'fixing', that is destructive chaos

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you weren't there to say your opinion and contribute, why should you complain NOW?! You kept negative, you had an opinion .. live with it. If it is something important for you, you should;ve spent more time/effort countering it .. hard luck

anyone tried to go tahrir square to talk to people about his opinion, that was a bit different from them, .. like trying to ask people that is enough. ... was beaten.

hell .. even some people were going to KILL pollice officers, and considering that if they die they will be martyrs, (i am not talking ofcourse about real martyrs that did so in self denfense, i am talking about after that, and what is happening till today).

people were ignoring anything ANYTHING that might be slightly different from what they believe in, and calling them working for the NDP, or the media that belongs to the regime ... or similar

the people in tahir square on feb10~feb11 was the opposition to mubarak,... from my point of view, mubarak was in office , and i didnt want that to change, why should i make a protest opposing the opposition of mubarak , ... is that logical ?
plus i will be called: a trader / someone who benefits from the criminals / against the revolution ..

the fact is, on feb2 , many people have went out in non organized protests, saying yes to mubarak, all over the country, i've seen myself in shehab st., syria st. , gam3et eldewl, with nothing organized, people only went out to say yes to the guy, even the tahrir square itself, that is considered the core of the revolution was divided into 2 parts,
and then the camels came and destroyed all that ..

the fact is, IF mubarak supporters had over a year in preperation, like this had, it would have been much much different.

the question is:

the corruption is being handled by people who are dedicated to do so, anybody with real evidence can submit it to the district attorneys and the media so that everybody knows,

all the political demands have been met, the only demands that havent been met are about the government that can be done as soon as a parlament is elected
(the parlamant can remove the whole government)

why are people really asking for more things in the streets now , and screwing economics while at it ???

#1382070 by demagh (User) at 2011-03-02 02:04:06 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

seriously?! you BELIEVE at some point the ppl in tahrir square were divided into 2 similar parties?!!!!

you believe a good/decent/stable regime can fall in 18 days after remaining for 30 years because they didn't start making a page on facebook a year ago when the page of "Khaled Saied" was first created?!!!

I find your logic very hard to understand, i blame it on my stubbornness and average IQ

anyway, arguing with each other will get us no where regarding this issue ..

i am happy, you are sad .. i don't see what you see .. you don't see what i see .. so .. let's play battlefield or something.

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#1382361 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-03-02 22:11:01 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

and this one of the reasons why Americans want nothing to do with Libya...

Kosovan airport worker who 'shouted Islamic slogans' before shooting dead two U.S. airmen at Frankfurt airport was a devout Muslim

No matter how much good you do for them, like defending them for being wiped out from Serbs, at the end of the day if you don't bow down to Allah you are the enemy.

#1382384 by unknown[190316] at 2011-03-03 00:23:38 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

You can't just take one individual's actions and make a sweeping statement like that. Furthermore, you're mislead if you believe the actions of NATO in Kosovo/Serbia were 100% pure awesomeness and that the Kosovans should be doing some major ass kissing. In fact, the real story is far murkier and there is evidence that NATO's actions greatly increased the death toll.

The real reason why no major power wants to intervene in Libya is because Bush et al. spent eight years doing their best to (unintentionally) discredit the entire idea of humanitarian intervention. Though, I guess somalia probably still haunts the US military as well.

#1382543 by I (Power User) at 2011-03-03 18:58:38 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

For those who didn't know
Egyptian PM who was selected by Mubarak was forced to step down today
We won again

#1382547 by demagh (User) at 2011-03-03 19:11:50 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I wouldn't call that pure win, because i know nothing about the new guy Essam Sharaf, till now he is decent, saw some videos of him. Also, some news that Mahmoud Wagdy was removed from his position as minister of internal affairs to be replaced by Al-Ezaby who was as badly reputable as Habib Al-Adly.

I think Al Baradie plan for this entire revolution to work will save us a lot of ... ministers ... i am starting to have difficulties remembering names, from how fast they change

We will 100% win when the emergency law is not effective + National Security is turned into an intelligence agency with no activity/power/authority to maintain the fallen regime's security/standards

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#1382678 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2011-03-04 12:20:32 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I wrote:

For those who didn't know
Egyptian PM who was selected by Mubarak was forced to step down today
We won again

No
He has tried to resign 1 week ago, but was denied due to not finding another good PM, and that is when the military asked the people to create a list of possible candidates.
And then he re-resigned yesterday.

Another win for the 'loud' voice.

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You guys should read the people comments

http://www.youm7.com/News.asp?NewsID=362763
(can use google translate for people who dont read arabic)

And just consider that there is 1% chance that the people wanting the above things are less than 40 million, and that maybe, just maybe the other 40 million have a slightly different opinion.

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#1382680 by demagh (User) at 2011-03-04 12:27:01 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

hmhef wrote:

Another win for the 'loud' voice

and definitely a silencer for the losing ones.

i wasn't pro/against Shafeek btw, but he just couldn't be the symbol that the ppl are looking for, they wanted someone who joined them from the very start, and possibily someone who had CLASHES with the previous regime .. Shafeek didn't qualify .. he knew it, he tried to get closer to the public, but was forced to fail more than once by bad luck and delicate timing.

I have great respect for that man "Shafeek" till this very moment, and so are lots of ppl who supported the revolution, but not enough to defend him and create an opposing group .. i think.

Of course he had some mistakes, which is normal due to the sensitivity of the situation, but they weren't enough IMO for him to leave

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there was a joke describing how bad the situation of shafeek was ..

A reporter: How do you feel sir after being positioned as the Prime Minister?!
Shafeek: I feel like always ..
The reporter: How do you mean sir?!
Shafeek: Staying at the best spot in the worst time possible.

wish the translation didn't ruin the joke so much

@hmhef edited part:
nah, you just witnessed national security/al watany electronic department at work, some confessions from "al watany's" electronic department mentioned the anti-revolution tactics they were asked to form ONLINE through reputable websites, masrawy, youm7 .. etc.

User comments means nothing, phone calls means nothing, it is time to move .. to take actions, if you are so many .. go protest peacefully @ al tahrir and show yourselves up.

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#1382746 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2011-03-04 19:50:59 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

demagh wrote:

and definitely a silencer for the losing ones.

On the contrary, because after shafik depature, 'some' people realized that this is not about "good VS evil", this is "some-people vs some-other-people", and in reality, i think it created more buzz about the political chaos, and people(including myself) started asking ... if he is good, why not keep the efficient people, and not just replace a whole team of 'good-and-bad' people with another team of 'good-and-bad' , atleast that is some guy that has proved to be 'good/efficient/descent' , even if only untill finding a better guy to fill the position and not just 'REMOVE'/'DESTROY'/'ELIMINATE'/'PROSECUTE'

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if you are so many .. go protest peacefully @ al tahrir and show yourselves up.

Okkkk , now I get it , i laughed sadly when i read this ....

My current political view is ONLY:
"screw the NDP, screw the people with specific political requests(those are no different from the people that are infront of their work asking for specific things and raises)"
I am not NDP, I didnt write a single word about my views on facebook/newspapers/else, or know anyone personally who could be writing as an ndp agent.
I didn't go to protests from either sides, not once, only passed by one that said "Not from us who caused chaos"

To me, it seems that the controlling people changed from NDP to tahrir-square , but with the same mentality,..
- ndp called the opposition 'working with iran' , 'doing this for food/money' , 'brotherhood', 'usa/israel agents'
- the revolution called its opposition, 'ndp agents' , 'government media' ...etc

Yes, definitely, both assumption have parts of the truth, but what about the real masses ?
in both cases, the result is the average guy with no specific political views getting royally screwed and ignored

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How do you explain that picture of our brand new PM:

This image has been resized, click here to view the full-sized image.

translation:
the man on the right / on the left 'brotherhood'
the guy in the far left 'aljezzera channel'
the comment on the bottom : 'where are the youth of the 25th januray movment?'

#1382786 by demagh (User) at 2011-03-04 22:58:34 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

100k subscribers on his 24 hours old page on facebook, and counting

now you know where they are .. you want to deliver them a msg?!

http://www.facebook.com/Essam.Sharaf.Government

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i might come to reply on the entire post of yours later, but i just replied on the picture with simple logic as the revolution started from facebook, then facebook numbers must be representative enough for you/anyone .. right?!

also, the man on the left, is Dr. Mohamad Al-beltagy, a very respectable doctor, known for his reputation in shoubra, charity cases and very unmistakable popularity. Winner of parliament elections in 2005, when the judges were in charge of the election boxes, lost of course in 2010 after the cheating videos spread on youtube and the removal of the judges from the election procedure.

What this man has to do with the revolution you say?!
when the tanks/soldiers carriers entered the square in the first day, ppl were exhausted, and the idea of STAYING/sleeping in the square wasn't even thinkable, he brought instantly 5000 persons from shoubra to sleep in front of the tanks disallowing them to move further into the square to keep the space for other protesters to come and support the cause. The number of persons he brought reached 10,000 within 2 hours. When was that?! Friday of Anger AKA 28/1/2011

does he have the right to stay on the stage?!
whoever is capable of bringing 10,000 ppl together with no PHONE calls/internet connection available in 2 hours .. is someone to respect .. and fear sometimes, in this case .. i fully respect him and if you are not convinced, see his videos in the parliament in the previous 5 years .. and learn to love your ppl and live for something other than yourself "not directing words to you as hmhef, just to whoever wants to watch, myself included"

the other one, i don't know and i don't recognize as ekhwan (aka: muslim brotherhood) "i know most of their famous guys/leaders", what are your sources?!

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a very nice link, google translate it guys, i just want to prove a point .. from arabic to english
http://www.masrawy.com/News/Arts/elcine … 11248.aspx

a summary "the only revolution its ppl trying to convince their ppl they are working for their sake"

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#1382805 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2011-03-05 01:04:33 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

demagh wrote:

100k subscribers on his 24 hours old page on facebook, and counting

if the amount of social network subscribers is any sort of a justification of a persons aptitude to run a country than Charlie Sheen should run for president after getting the world record for hitting 1m twitter subscribers in under 24 hours.

#1382840 by demagh (User) at 2011-03-05 08:55:48 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

One difference, essam sharaf is not a celebrity known for his drinking issues/popular comedy shows.

2 months ago, no one, and i mean no one, remembered him as the a previous minister of transportation. Now after contributing into the 25th of january personally, he became one of the revolution symbols/leaders.

He is only known for his decent political acts/views. The page started the revolution got around 900k subscribers in about a year, the revolution symbol Wael Ghonaim "google middle east sales manager", got 280k+ subscribers in the page authorizing him to talk on behalf of the revolutionists in around a week

If these numbers don't tell if these ppl are REALLY representing the revolution .. what will?! hmhef's posts on torrentbytes against mine/slitt3r/I?!

EDITED:
latest news

National Security "Amn Al Dawla" buildings are now under the army's control after the protesters entering them and witnessing files and papers being shredded and burnt. Some of the files were saved, copies everywhere are being shared online

now i can say .. the revolution succeeded

Last edited by demagh at 2011-03-05 23:51:05

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