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#1420369 by Germs Donor

(Paulo DiCanio's Disciple) at 2011-07-31 14:12:36 (1 year ago) - [Report]

Warfare wrote:

Timex wrote:

Cops bust huge pot farm in Calif. national forest

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...uprooted 460,000 pot plants...

So the annual summer pot raids started a few weeks ago and will run until late October...and they only get a small bit of it all.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43953968/ns … nd_courts/

What a waste...to uproot fucking plants they use HOW much money?

So why the fuck doesn't the government wait to raid these mexican gangs crops until they're almost ready to crop and then crop it to sell as medicinal marijuana and recoup some of the cash it costs for the raids?
Instead they destroy something which could be of great revenue value.

#1421432 by Warfare Donor

(Power User) at 2011-08-05 12:55:06 (1 year ago) - [Report]

As much as I love the discussions about if it's bad for us, if it can cure cancer etc etc, this is a chit chat.. So I'm gonna go back to pictures and fun stuff while high!

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#1421434 by Chill (Power User) at 2011-08-05 13:12:31 (1 year ago) - [Report]

somethings is just too terrible funny but some things are just terrible. It's a weird thing watching for example tv series while high since all I can think about is the background music and how that is played and in the end you just realize you haven't actually payed attention to the episode at all..

#1421462 by thugie (Power User) at 2011-08-05 17:22:09 (1 year ago) - [Report]

Chill wrote:

Haha dude you need to hook me up. never tried that, I think i can follow a tv series real good, if i find it interesting. If not i just start browsing TB on my laptop as a, reflex :S

#1422933 by johnboyjoe (User) at 2011-08-12 23:35:43 (1 year ago) - [Report]

any vapour heads?

i've got a Silver Surfer arriving tomorrow, canny wait

#1422970 by pcgamer Donor

(User) at 2011-08-13 07:29:18 (1 year ago) - [Report]

We have vapor bars here and I go from time to time for the Volcano. It's one solid piece of engineering. Read quite a few reviews on the Silver Surfer and it seems great :thumbsup:

enjoy!

#1423019 by johnboyjoe (User) at 2011-08-13 12:51:34 (1 year ago) - [Report]

thx, the Volcano is very nice but it's a bit pricey, plus i was looking for something with a whip, hopefully get sometime later to give it a try and get it dialled in

#1423792 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2011-08-17 16:17:01 (1 year ago) - [Report]

http://www.cannabissmoker.com

#1423817 by Chill (Power User) at 2011-08-17 17:27:31 (1 year ago) - [Report]

i love vapors. But I have to say it goes from occasion to occasion. There's nothing like rolling a good joint with your buddys and let that pass while taking shooters of tequila. Something that I have to recommend by the way..

Weed and tequila goes like salt and pepper. Stick to those two and only those two a whole night with a couple of good friends and you will have one of the most magical nights!

#1423822 by gnask Donor

(Power User) at 2011-08-17 18:10:18 (1 year ago) - [Report]

I have two magic flight launch boxes

<3

I would recommend them to anyone thinking about getting a portable vape..

#1423850 by pcgamer Donor

(User) at 2011-08-17 19:48:03 (1 year ago) - [Report]

hOG wrote:

http://www.cannabissmoker.com

What a load of horse poo. I haven't smoked in a month (due to financial situation) and had no withdrawl symptoms or addiction hints whatsoever. Cannabis is popular here in Canada and I see it everywhere from bars to dormitories. I haven't magically gained more "motivation" or "health" due to the break. When people have nothing better to do of course they will overuse. That's like making a website for "quitting gaming" "quitting photography" "quitting studying" because you can do those tasks repeatedly which may seem like addiction to the hive minded. Moderation is key and it pretty much applies for anything. My 2 cents.

#1423874 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2011-08-17 21:27:36 (1 year ago) - [Report]

pcgamer wrote:

hOG wrote:

http://www.cannabissmoker.com

Well, here is my 2 cents.

I'm in my week 2 of my cold turkey and I got to tell you, I've had plenty of withdrawal symptoms. All the standard ones (insomnia, which is the worst, slight anxiety, sweating, dizziness, loss of appetite, realistic dreams - have staring at a horizon ever made you cry? lol). I've smoked for 2 solid straight years ~ 5 joints a day. That qualifies as a heavy user, I suppose. And the withdrawal symptoms are a trip in and of themselves my friend. I'll get to them a bit later.

I could link to a scientific standard on pharmaceutical addiction, but that would be against the rules. But you can find the Clinical Manual Of Addiction Psychopharmacology at your local ebook pusher if you are interested. Pick it up, it is the only thing you should be reading when it comes to cannabis( and addiction), drawing on scientific studies.

Now on to what you write besides that - fuckget the site. The existence of withdrawal symptoms are real, which is the point I wanted to stress in linking to that site.

Now I realize I'm probably speaking to a wall here, after all this is a stoner-thread, but if anyone wants some help with quitting, I wanted people to know its possible, there are different ways to do it, and things might happen that are not so comfortable.

#1423887 by johnboyjoe (User) at 2011-08-17 22:12:18 (1 year ago) - [Report]

lol @ cold turkey, man up

aye i've experienced a few of those symptoms when the weeds dry, insomnia, loss of appetite, my general mood changes a little too, but it aint no big deal and after a week or 2 i'm over it.

when i start to smoke again after a break like this that's when i experince the other symptoms u speak of, slight anxiety, sweating, dizziness :lol:

oh aye just to add this SSV rocks!

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#1423891 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2011-08-17 22:20:14 (1 year ago) - [Report]

Weed is a drug, we agree on that, yes, now it's called a cold turkey, because you are using a drug, either by smoking it or eating it, and then when you stop using a drug instantly, like I did, to use the popular expression.. cold turkey.

This is one approach. You can gradually try to relax out of it too like I've tried as well. It might work for you, it didn't for me, I tried that as well. Cannabis stays in your body for at least 48 hours so be mindful of that when trying the gradual approach.

I know what you are saying about irritability. It's weird. Glad it is not permanent.

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#1423906 by pcgamer Donor

(User) at 2011-08-17 23:35:15 (1 year ago) - [Report]

hOG wrote:

I've been smoking for 5 solid years. 2-3 joints a day on average (no tobacco, not a cig smoker). So beginning of August we have this religious month which promotes fasting. Being an atheist/agnostic I take part in this fasting activity to test self control. So this year I decided to have a little break from cannabis just to see if I can indeed abstain from it. I read countless websites and articles depicting these symptoms but I have yet to experience any. To my surprise I did not get a loss of appetite, I didn't get insomnia nor did I get extraordinary dreams. Personally I have only gained knowledge and openness by using cannabis that's why I believe the same quitting attitude should not be generalized towards everyone. Cannabis has made me a better family man too. I have anger issues and the herb really helps me in that regard too.

I see stoners on the regulars and yes there are a few that are psychologically addicted. Yeah yeah you probably heard this countless times; weed is psychophysically addictive and habit forming. They want to smoke because they don't have any other activities. Some will go out of their way to acquire cannabis and get stoned at home. It's all in their head. They just need willpower and self control to quit the habit. Not saying psychological addiction is not an addiction but it affects a certain percentage of smokers, not all. If your mind is powerful enough to overcome that dependency, weed is for you.

Congrats on your 2 weeks and sorry to hear about those withdrawal symptoms. That's your choice and I am in no position to think low of that. Try to make the most of your time, maybe get a really submissive hobby. Work out during the day so you can get a nice sleep. Have you been smoking your joints laced with tobacco? What kind of herb have you been using? Hydroponic or organic? Hemp paper or zig zags?

PS: You are not talking to a wall. Just a sensible stoner. :stoner:

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#1423942 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2011-08-18 11:22:35 (1 year ago) - [Report]

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I've been smoking for 5 solid years. 2-3 joints a day on average (no tobacco, not a cig smoker).

Ahh, you see that's where you and I differed. You were a canuck, yes (without checking your profile)?

In Canada I understand that it is pretty much like it is in California or in Amsterdam, i.e. you can buy your stuff legally from shops. In Scandinavia you have to either grow it yourself, like I did at one point, or purchase it from the street dealers. In Scandinavia Denmark is the most decriminalized country in this respect, but a joint is still always mixed with toasted tobacco - that is tobacco that has been slightly burned to improve taste and, in hash doobies, to kill off nicotine. I suspect what I've just said will anger purists out there as few people, including myself, really ever liked the tobacco heh.

But either way, I've had to ditch both the cannabis and the tobacco for sure and I smoked more than you - though only over 2 years. I guess the question is how much of my withdrawal symptoms are nicotine related and how much of it are cannabis related..

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So beginning of August we have this religious month which promotes fasting. Being an atheist/agnostic I take part in this fasting activity to test self control. So this year I decided to have a little break from cannabis just to see if I can indeed abstain from it. I read countless websites and articles depicting these symptoms but I have yet to experience any. To my surprise I did not get a loss of appetite, I didn't get insomnia nor did I get extraordinary dreams.

My choice to smoke or to quit smoking is not related to religion or areligion, but good to hear you going through something which you believe in like fasting and coming out stronger by it!

I have to ask though, you describe it as "a little break". Are you aware of the 'complete cessation period' which is typically given to cannabis abstention? It is between 4-10 weeks (I can refer to two studies if you like).

It's good to hear that you do not have experienced any withdrawal symptoms. Like I said previously they are kinda of a trip in and of themselves. Especially the dreams (which would then be the only ones I would recommend...).

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Personally I have only gained knowledge and openness by using cannabis that's why I believe the same quitting attitude should not be generalized towards everyone.

Very good point! Let me say that I don't regret per se that I tried it, just that it got control of me. Nor do I wish for my experiences to be, as you rightly point out, "generalized towards everyone". I will say that my political stance on the legalization of cannabis has changed. Whereas before I was for it, now I think knowing personally that there are dangers, the best that I can do, is take a middle-stance.

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Cannabis has made me a better family man too. I have anger issues and the herb really helps me in that regard too.

I see stoners on the regulars and yes there are a few that are psychologically addicted. Yeah yeah you probably heard this countless times; weed is psychophysically addictive and habit forming. They want to smoke because they don't have any other activities. Some will go out of their way to acquire cannabis and get stoned at home. It's all in their head. They just need willpower and self control to quit the habit. Not saying psychological addiction is not an addiction but it affects a certain percentage of smokers, not all. If your mind is powerful enough to overcome that dependency, weed is for you.

The problem is that studies might be pointing to the fact that then - if taking your position that weed is for people with strong willpower - that there aren't that many people who can take it. I'm not trying to generalize now, but I'm having in mind the studies that have been done in this regard and which I will quote below.

"In one of the first detailed examinations of possible components of a cannabis withdrawal syndrome, Wiesbeck et al. (1996) evaluated reports of specific withdrawal symptoms in a sample of 270 frequent cannabis users. These individuals were selected from among participants in the Collaborative Study on the Genetics of Alcoholism on the basis of having reported some cannabis withdrawal symptoms. Typical symptoms, reported by more than 50% of this group, included feeling �nervous, tense, restless� (reported by 94.4% of subjects), sleep disturbance (75.6%), and changes in appetite (62.9%)." p. 166

"The most compelling demonstration of the withdrawal effects of abstinence from smoked marijuana was reported by Budney et al. (2001), in an intensive study of the effects of abstinence from marijuana in a group of heavy (daily) cannabis smokers maintained in their home environment. The 16-day experimental study involved intensive observation over 5 days of cannabis use, followed by 3 days of abstinence, 5 days of resumed cannabis use, and 3 final days of abstinence. Strong evidence was found for an increase in withdrawal discomfort, craving for marijuana, and sleep difficulties and a decrease in appetite, and there was also moderate evidence that abstinence was associated with increased aggression, anger, irritability, restlessness, and sleep disturbances (i.e., strange dreams). Participant reports of these effects were confirmed by collateral observers. The authors concluded that:
the behavioral and emotional withdrawal symptoms associated with marijuana withdrawal�syndromes may be as, if not more, important than physical symptoms in contributing to the development of dependence and the undermining of abstinence attempts. (p. 923)
p.167

source: Clinical Manual of Addiction Psychopharmacology

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Have you been smoking your joints laced with tobacco? What kind of herb have you been using? Hydroponic or organic? Hemp paper or zig zags?

Yes, but not always. When I had my own stash I tended not to use tobacco. I grew pure Sativa and Indica breeds and also LowRyder L1 - for diversity, and all organic. My favorite was Chocolope though. I eventually grew to appreciate RAW smoking paper, because of their focus on ecology. They use a special watermark, so I suppose its a zig zag? I must admit I'm not familiar with the terminology.

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Congrats on your 2 weeks and sorry to hear about those withdrawal symptoms. That's your choice and I am in no position to think low of that. Try to make the most of your time, maybe get a really submissive hobby. Work out during the day so you can get a nice sleep.

...

PS: You are not talking to a wall. Just a sensible stoner.

I can tell

And I hope you don't take this what I've written above - which is a lot (sic) - as an attempt to undermine your hobby. I'm guessing I could have pursued mine if I had done things differently.

#1425267 by Warfare Donor

(Power User) at 2011-08-25 16:46:55 (1 year ago) - [Report]

johnboyjoe wrote:

any vapour heads?

i've got a Silver Surfer arriving tomorrow, canny wait

Yo, Flightbox and the volcano here. Iaint ever going back!

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#1425789 by Chill (Power User) at 2011-08-28 13:54:01 (1 year ago) - [Report]

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#1425844 by Timex (Power User) at 2011-08-28 17:01:11 (1 year ago) - [Report]

Flightbox...
Spending a $120 USD for some pipe to smoke Pot in is not anything I would do.

You get a free pack of rolling papers,lighter,1 gram "house joint" with every 1/8 Oz bought at all the dispensaries I have seen.

#1425909 by Warfare Donor

(Power User) at 2011-08-28 19:52:59 (1 year ago) - [Report]

Timex wrote:

Okay.

1. It's not a pipe, it's a vaporizer.
2. Free papers, lighters, and a gram?

Jesus.. Bring it to Norway man!=D

Okay back to the whole vaporizer thing. A vaporizer will, as the name tells us, vaporize the weed instead of compusting it. This means a whole lot of things, like no smoke, no smell, less harm for your lungs, and it'll last longer..

ALSO when you are done with the vaped bud, you can use it in food, or just plain up smoke it for another turn.

Not that bad, eh?

Chill wrote:

random question, any one of you guys now what might be the problem, if the leaves on a plant fading from dark green, to somewhat of a lime color or lighter green, then turning into yellow, and then simply rotting directly on the stem?

That sounds weird man. Overwatering it? Wrong fertilizer?
I would go with too much water, but if you can post some pics, maybe somebody on the board can help your ass out

-W

#1426093 by Chill (Power User) at 2011-08-29 18:45:41 (1 year ago) - [Report]

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#1426095 by thugie (Power User) at 2011-08-29 18:54:20 (1 year ago) - [Report]

is the plant close to harvest?

#1426099 by Chill (Power User) at 2011-08-29 19:09:26 (1 year ago) - [Report]

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#1426101 by thugie (Power User) at 2011-08-29 19:14:36 (1 year ago) - [Report]

well it could be a couple of things,
Maybe your lamps is too far away?
How often do you empty your water tank and fill it up again?
you know flush the system.

#1426503 by Chill (Power User) at 2011-08-31 20:19:22 (1 year ago) - [Report]

Now on something else. Munchies. What's your favs? I'm much for fruit since it contains so much naturall sugar and the taste is just amazing.

Watermelon is just a god gift.

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