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Movies & TV > HBO Greenlights "Game of Thrones".

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#1478822 by d3vnullDonor (fake shemp) at 2012-05-30 14:51:18 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

would have been more brutal if he had cut off his nose.

#1478826 by alupigus (Lumberjack) at 2012-05-30 15:07:19 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Tabole wrote:

Did the guy who looks like Jean Reno die by the wildfire explosion?

No.

#1478827 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-05-30 15:11:41 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

alupigus wrote:

Tabole wrote:

Did the guy who looks like Jean Reno die by the wildfire explosion?

No.

Kinda obvious Davos didn't die, but still spoiler

I doubt Matthos died either. Probably severely burned, but not dead and still as eager to fight for the one true God. As it should be for the night is dark and full of terrors.

#1478830 by alupigus (Lumberjack) at 2012-05-30 15:18:42 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

hOG wrote:

I doubt Matthos died either. Probably severely burned, but not dead and still as eager to fight for the one true God. As it should be for the night is dark and full of terrors.

Do you wanna bet?

#1478834 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-05-30 15:36:53 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

If he is dead
wink, wink
suppose Davos is either going to turn even more bitter and pour his anger on Melisandra or try and seek help from her first or something. Either way I hope we are going to hear more about Dog and Theon Greyjoy. The two tragic villains of the show. And of course Stannis shouldn't die being a badass.

#1478843 by wardukeDonor (Power User) at 2012-05-30 16:17:59 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

I am kind of with VBG.  I watch the show right now for Tyrion and Bronn.  All the other characters have not been as interesting this season..

#1478844 by alupigus (Lumberjack) at 2012-05-30 16:19:08 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

hOG wrote:

... hope we are going to hear more about Dog and Theon Greyjoy. The two tragic villains of the show. And of course Stannis shouldn't die being a badass.

...they are not real villains, 100% bad guys.Both of them are marked by traumas suffered in childhood.From all the characters we met in this two seasons(or two books) real bad or 100% evil are Joffrey and Dogs big brother ser Gregor Clegane aka "The Mountain".VBG is right if you read the books you`ll have a better understanding of the events and the characters.I know you have read Tolstoy ....so GRRM should be a walk in a park for you.Others guys(like qbert95 :-P) should wait for the comic books versions.:lol:

#1478846 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-05-30 16:31:20 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

alupigus wrote:

hOG wrote:

... hope we are going to hear more about Dog and Theon Greyjoy. The two tragic villains of the show. And of course Stannis shouldn't die being a badass.

...they are not real villains, 100% bad guys.Both of them are marked by traumas suffered in childhood.From all the characters we met in this two seasons(or two books) real bad or 100% evil are Joffrey and Dogs big brother ser Gregor Clegane aka "The Mountain".VBG is right if you read the books you`ll have a better understanding of the events and the characters.I know you have read Tolstoy ....so GRRM should be a walk in a park for you.Others guys(like qbert95 :-P) should wait for the comic books versions.:lol:

I'm familiar with GRRMs approach to character alignments and how he stays clear of the Tolkiensque bad/good guys. It's supposed to be more shakespearean and is so in the show and Shakespeare had 'tragic villians'

edit: my favorite of what I understand as tragic villain of the show would be Theon. But how else would you understand a character?

I don't have time to read those books at the moment :/

Last edited by hOG at 2012-05-30 16:43:26

#1478862 by VeryBadGuyDonor (Mad Ultra Mod) at 2012-05-30 18:09:11 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

hOG wrote:

edit: my favorite of what I understand as tragic villain of the show would be Theon. But how else would you understand a character?

not spoiling anything for you but you have no clue how seriously right you are about Theon.

#1478875 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-05-30 19:28:21 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

alupigus wrote:

...they are not real villains, 100% bad guys.Both of them are marked by traumas suffered in childhood.From all the characters we met in this two seasons(or two books) real bad or 100% evil are Joffrey and Dogs big brother ser Gregor Clegane aka "The Mountain".VBG is right if you read the books you`ll have a better understanding of the events and the characters.I know you have read Tolstoy ....so GRRM should be a walk in a park for you.Others guys(like qbert95 :-P) should wait for the comic books versions.:lol:

I actually find it more difficult to read GRRM than Tolstoy, mostly because GRRM isn't a particularly good writer which makes his prose tedious and boring at times.

#1478884 by ShadowiseDonor (Power User) at 2012-05-30 19:53:59 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Entertainment Weekly wrote:


EW has an early list of characters expected to debut next season, which will adapt part of the third novel A Storm of Swords. The new characters include Mance Rayder, Daario Naharis, Jojen Reed and Meera Reed, Edmure Tully, Ser Brynden Tully (The Blackfish), Lady Selyse Florent, Shireen, Olenna Redwyne (The Queen of Thorns), Beric Dondarrion, Thoros of Myr, and Tormund Giantsbane.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/05/29/game- … on-3-cast/

Looks like Meera and Jojen didn't get axed after all. Finale will also be 10 minutes longer than normal.

#1478885 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-05-30 20:00:34 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Shadowise wrote:

Entertainment Weekly wrote:


EW has an early list of characters expected to debut next season, which will adapt part of the third novel A Storm of Swords. The new characters include Mance Rayder, Daario Naharis, Jojen Reed and Meera Reed, Edmure Tully, Ser Brynden Tully (The Blackfish), Lady Selyse Florent, Shireen, Olenna Redwyne (The Queen of Thorns), Beric Dondarrion, Thoros of Myr, and Tormund Giantsbane.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/05/29/game- … on-3-cast/

Looks like Meera and Jojen didn't get axed after all. Finale will also be 10 minutes longer than normal.

Good call imo. Imo they've had trouble introducing all the new characters as is, and the first part of the 3rd book doesn't include that many new characters.

#1478894 by alupigus (Lumberjack) at 2012-05-30 20:24:53 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

bolg wrote:

I actually find it more difficult to read GRRM than Tolstoy, mostly because GRRM isn't a particularly good writer which makes his prose tedious and boring at times.

I wont call him boring or not a good writer.He`s dark and cynical.Others books (novels or short novels) of him like "Sandkings" or ''Tuf Voyaging" are brilliant written.But ,yes I admit that "A song of ice and fire" is a bit ...how shell I say?..Hard to follow?It`s like a giant maze ,or like a huge spider net.Lots of characters ...lots of "new characters".Lots of places....lots of "new places".Lots of events which are connected with things form the past time...past time which is not clearly explain.But it`s an unfinished work and we must wait for the seven book to be written maybe then all the "fog" will be lifted and the story will clarify.
Overall "A song of ice and fire" it`s a very ambitious and original work.A "realistic" heroic fantasy.

...Speaking about the fact that  GRRM isn't a particularly good writer ...from the comments here  I see we all agree that "Blackwater" was,until now, the best from the series.Guess who was the writer for this episode?

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#1478901 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-05-30 20:42:05 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

alupigus wrote:

I wont call him boring or not a good writer.He`s dark and cynical.Others books (novels or short novels) of him like "Sandkings" or ''Tuf Voyaging" are brilliant written.But ,yes I admit that "A song of ice and fire" is a bit ...how shell I say?..Hard to follow?It`s like a giant maze ,or like a huge spider net.Lots of characters ...lots of "new characters".Lots of places....lots of "new places".Lots of events which are connected with things form the past time...past time which is not clearly explain.But it`s an unfinished work and we must wait for the seven book to be written maybe then all the "fog" will be lifted and the story will clarify.
Overall "A song of ice and fire" it`s a very ambitious and original work.A "realistic" heroic fantasy.

It doesn't have to do with story being dark and cynical or hard to follow, it's about alot of parts being boring and tedious. With that said I'm not someone who craves action at every page, I'm just saying that GRRM doesn't have the gift of turning mundane things into good prose. The world he has created is pretty spectacular though.

If you like dark novels you should read Blood Meridian, if you haven't already.

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#1478905 by wardukeDonor (Power User) at 2012-05-30 20:54:14 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

I'll wait for the comic (giggle)

#1478907 by alupigus (Lumberjack) at 2012-05-30 20:56:04 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

bolg wrote:

If you like dark novels you should read Blood Meridian, if you haven't already.

Cormac McCarthy..I`m stuck at chapter nine.I don`t know why?:lol:

#1478917 by ViiksneDonor (TB's SC2 Wizard) at 2012-05-30 21:50:40 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

bolg wrote:

alupigus wrote:

...they are not real villains, 100% bad guys.Both of them are marked by traumas suffered in childhood.From all the characters we met in this two seasons(or two books) real bad or 100% evil are Joffrey and Dogs big brother ser Gregor Clegane aka "The Mountain".VBG is right if you read the books you`ll have a better understanding of the events and the characters.I know you have read Tolstoy ....so GRRM should be a walk in a park for you.Others guys(like qbert95 :-P) should wait for the comic books versions.:lol:

I actually find it more difficult to read GRRM than Tolstoy, mostly because GRRM isn't a particularly good writer which makes his prose tedious and boring at times.

The problem I have with what you're saying is you basically stating his work is tedious and boring and thus he is a bad writer, but what exactly is it that makes him a bad writer and what is so boring about how he writes?

Just would like some constructive arguments

#1478933 by bolg (Power User) at 2012-05-30 22:43:47 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Viiksne wrote:

bolg wrote:

alupigus wrote:

...they are not real villains, 100% bad guys.Both of them are marked by traumas suffered in childhood.From all the characters we met in this two seasons(or two books) real bad or 100% evil are Joffrey and Dogs big brother ser Gregor Clegane aka "The Mountain".VBG is right if you read the books you`ll have a better understanding of the events and the characters.I know you have read Tolstoy ....so GRRM should be a walk in a park for you.Others guys(like qbert95 :-P) should wait for the comic books versions.:lol:

I actually find it more difficult to read GRRM than Tolstoy, mostly because GRRM isn't a particularly good writer which makes his prose tedious and boring at times.

The problem I have with what you're saying is you basically stating his work is tedious and boring and thus he is a bad writer, but what exactly is it that makes him a bad writer and what is so boring about how he writes?

Just would like some constructive arguments

To be fair I should correct myself a bit. I meant to say that GRRM isn't as good of a writer as Tolstoy, not that GRRM is a bad writer. Multitasking isn't my thing. :facepalm: My point is that litterature by a nobel laureate doesn't necessarily mean it's more difficult to read.

But OK, my criticism against GRRM, without spoiling anything: He fails at making the minor characters in the later books interesting. Almost every chapter begins with a summary of what's happened since the character's last chapter. That is followed by text that doesn't let the reader get a deeper knowledge of the character or push the plot forward, but is just a report of some mundane event. Then the chapter ends with a cliffhanger.He could've easily left 20 % of books 4 and 5 out.

#1478946 by Schism (Power User) at 2012-05-31 00:25:43 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

You are seriously wandering way off topic, please have that discussion in the book thread instead.

#1479014 by hOG (Crusader Mod) at 2012-05-31 16:28:10 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

VeryBadGuy wrote:

hOG wrote:

edit: my favorite of what I understand as tragic villain of the show would be Theon. But how else would you understand a character?

not spoiling anything for you but you have no clue how seriously right you are about Theon.

I was already sort of spoiled during season 1 because of youtube comments etc.
I keep thinking with every episode that features Theon that I've seen "that event which is going to spell doom for someone" by Theon's hands, but I guess it is not over
. Still it has become clear he is a tragic villain over season 2 of course. But is failing at whatever he does, not accepted by his father, his kinsmen and so on.. lost like Rodrick said. Gotta love those characters.

#1479067 by sillent (Power User) at 2012-05-31 19:36:08 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

yeah a lot of this stuff is way off topic, can probably discuss how good or bad GRRM is as a writer in the books thread.

anyway! Cant wait for the new episode!

Also, no matter how well any actor does, or how much of a favorite he is -- if its their time to die, its their time to die!

Sundays episode should be good, if nothing else we'll get to see Jorah scream "KHALEEEESII"

#1479159 by JohnVenture (Power User) at 2012-06-01 01:03:12 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

What I loved most was the face of Tyrion after Sansa tells him she'll pray for him "as much as for king Joffrey"

The ensuing dialog with Bronn is great of course. And I'm not saying that only to point out it wasn't in the books as a mean to underline that I have, indeed, read the books.

Though I did read the books.

#1479175 by Belnick (Power User) at 2012-06-01 06:11:38 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

AxlAces88 wrote:

Belnick wrote:

hOG wrote:

Belnick wrote:

lordchawk wrote:

I'm guessing the midget is not dead? He better not be anyway.

Also I hope we haven't seen the last of the assassin guy

++

takes a few more days to die from an infection of that wound, so no i dont think he is dead

Ser Mandon pierced his skull and brain. The little guy is dead. Deal with it.

na, he sliced his cheek open a bit
the dwarf will live if no infection, deal with it :p

He sliced from the top left of his forehead over his nose, down to his right cheek. He's not going to die..though he could very well lose his nose.

hmm the 720p on my 63" is bad then

looked like it was just a sliced on the cheek and and scratch on the forehead

#1479187 by PhantomaDonor (Power User) at 2012-06-01 10:11:48 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

It looked like a paper cut to me, he'll be fine.

#1479189 by DrouGluiN (Power User) at 2012-06-01 10:26:57 (1 year ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moZExve- … ture=g-u-u

Metal version of the Rains of Castamere, enjoy!

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