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#958553 by unknown[80820] at 2008-06-18 00:28:50 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Go through an OVH reseller. The price is going to be more of course running about 64 GBP.

#958910 by unknown[242393] at 2008-06-18 18:31:50 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Ah, I didn't realize they had started such a program.

Off to search for OVH resellers!

*edit*

So far I've only found one reseller: seedhost.eu.

Looking at the packages he offers from OVH, I'm wondering what I'll really need. Would the Kimsufi with 2GHz Celeron/1GB RAM do me well, or would I do better to go with the Kimsufi 08 XL with an 2GHz E2180/2GB RAM? I'm even considering going up to the XXL, but I'm not sure, given the premium reselling price he's asking.

I suppose my real question is this: How many torrents could I run without system lag on said setups?

#959174 by Postal (VIP) at 2008-06-19 01:51:41 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

saythewords wrote:


I suppose my real question is this: How many torrents could I run without system lag on said setups?

The basic Kimsufi gives great speeds using Debian & rtorrent.

#959206 by unknown[80820] at 2008-06-19 04:15:09 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

saythewords wrote:

Ah, I didn't realize they had started such a program.

Off to search for OVH resellers!

*edit*

So far I've only found one reseller: seedhost.eu.

Looking at the packages he offers from OVH, I'm wondering what I'll really need. Would the Kimsufi with 2GHz Celeron/1GB RAM do me well, or would I do better to go with the Kimsufi 08 XL with an 2GHz E2180/2GB RAM? I'm even considering going up to the XXL, but I'm not sure, given the premium reselling price he's asking.

I suppose my real question is this: How many torrents could I run without system lag on said setups?

I know of another: info@connectswitch dot com for information. They have one for 64 GBP right now, might have others. I found them on WHT.

#959224 by unknown[242393] at 2008-06-19 05:56:21 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Postal wrote:

saythewords wrote:


I suppose my real question is this: How many torrents could I run without system lag on said setups?

The basic Kimsufi gives great speeds using Debian & rtorrent.

Great speeds, awesome; but on how many torrents? I guess I'm asking if the CPU needs to be faster to run 5-10+ torrents at once, or if that setup is OK. I wouldn't think it would take too much processing power to write files to a disk, but then again I don't do a lot of high-bandwidth downloading.

I'd have to SSH into my server to check its status and change torrents, correct?

#959364 by unknown[252843] at 2008-06-19 14:39:29 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

i have a kimsufi xl and i can download 5 torrents at a time(thats the most ive done could be more) and seed like +200

#959689 by unknown[260173] at 2008-06-20 01:49:48 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

I would _not_ recommend OVH.

I used them for quite a while, as soon as you start using about ~5TB a month, they cap you at 100KB/s _or_ search and close your box for piracy violations. Same applies to any resellers, no one is immune.

Beyond that, speeds to anywhere outside of their network are sub-100mbit even on gigabit connections. Good luck getting >10Mbit on a US connection.

Others I've used:

LeaseWeb - Good speeds, crap service, bad prices.
RapidSwitch - Great speeds, HORRIFIC service, bad prices. Got a fair few MPAA letters with them too...
UK2.net - Good speeds, good service, bad prices.
Softlayer - Great speeds, great service, horrific prices.

After using a couple of other companies dedicated seedbox services and finding the service, uptime and speeds all terrible, I started my own service using a private bandwidth arrangement in The Netherlands. Obviously I can't paste the link here, and I don't think I'm allowed to accept PM's about it either. If I've done my job properly, one of my customers will recommend me sooner or later

#960557 by Postal (VIP) at 2008-06-22 07:29:08 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Plantain wrote:

I would _not_ recommend OVH.

I used them for quite a while, as soon as you start using about ~5TB a month, they cap you at 100KB/s _or_ search and close your box for piracy violations. Same applies to any resellers, no one is immune.

Beyond that, speeds to anywhere outside of their network are sub-100mbit even on gigabit connections. Good luck getting >10Mbit on a US connection.

Do you have any proof?

Way to go slagging off other dedicated server providers so people will contact you instead

#960559 by unknown[260173] at 2008-06-22 07:51:35 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Sorry if I didn't make it clear,

I hosted my seedbox service on all of those providers at one stage, and the list above is just detailing my experiences with those companies. So I'm not really slagging off at other providers, just providing a friendly notice about my experiences.

If you don't believe me, you'll find a whole community who'll largely backup my opinions on webhostingtalk.com. OVH in particular is well known for it's sub-par international speeds.

As for 'proof', I've only got logs of bandwidth tests I ran while hosting with all the various providers, and I have no proof the logs weren't faked, so there's not terribly much point in posting them. The closest you'll get to the truth behind OVH's international speeds is by asking pointed questions of an OVH rep until he tells you there's no guarantee you'll reach anywhere near the speeds they offer outside of OVH's network.

In light of how it seems some may have interpreted my experiences, I won't be replying to any more PM's about details of my business, so don't bother PMing

#960562 by unknown[242393] at 2008-06-22 08:18:22 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

TBH, Plantain doesn't get much belief from me. (No offense, mate.) Part of that reason lies within the statements against all providers. (LeaseWeb has bad service? My ass!)

I don't mind sub-par international speeds, seeing as I'm mainly running my seedbox for seeding reasons; and I don't have a nice big 30/30 or 100/100 line. In that case I'd probably not even worry about running a seedbox.

As long as OVH provides me unlimited bandwidth, I'm OK. I'm not bugged at all. Heck, I don't even have space on my PC to be downloading more than a terabyte of torrents--I keep most of what I download, unless it's absolutely horrible--and I don't need an e-penis the size of the Eiffel Tower.

I think I'll be contacting that gentleman over at seedhosting.eu in a couple of days when I get back home. $70 USD is less than I'm paying now for twice the product. Even if I'm throttled at 5TB, that's 2.5 times the total bandwidth I get at LW. I wouldn't be horribly disappointed.

#960563 by unknown[260173] at 2008-06-22 08:28:59 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

"(LeaseWeb has bad service? My ass!)"

Hehe, something tells me you've never needed a HD replaced on a friday night (you'll be waiting till monday), or dealt with them over a DMCA notice (box is insta-disconnected) :>

Anywho, they're all just _my_ experiences. Yours may differ, especially as I've been quite a hard customer to all of them (99% of bandwidth used every month, and I have a tendency to kill HD's through non-stop load)

Whoever you pick as your host, I suggest you do a quick search on webhostingtalk before you buy, the people there are a great resource

#961376 by unknown[242393] at 2008-06-24 01:39:55 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Anybody have a good guide to installing and running rTorrent?

#961388 by unknown[80820] at 2008-06-24 03:16:28 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Plantain wrote:



In light of how it seems some may have interpreted my experiences, I won't be replying to any more PM's about details of my business, so don't bother PMing

Why not? I am always interested in new hosts. Do you advertise on WHT, maybe I can catch it there?

#961421 by Postal (VIP) at 2008-06-24 07:36:32 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

saythewords wrote:

Anybody have a good guide to installing and running rTorrent?

http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-I … 1166.shtml

#961827 by unknown[262944] at 2008-06-25 01:26:20 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Greetings all first time posting. I've just followed this read from the beginning! v.informative.
I've been looking for a seedbox myself, I'm based in the UK and need the cheapest possible. I've done a lot of searching and the most suitable ones I've found are for about 30 euros ( 20 UKP ). I've checked all the ones mentioned on here but just need an update on ppls experiences etc.

Also I'm running Flux-b4rt on my home ubuntu server ( 4.5 Mbs ADSL line ). I'm not happy with the speeds and I get restricted ( to 512 kbs which aint good when you pay for 8Mb ) for the following week if I end up in top 5% of downloaders. So basically I want a low cost box to combine with my home connection.

Another thing, I really wish there was a more recognised, standards compliant client for linux. I love torrentflux but some trackers I use don't accept any of the torrentflux backends. It's all about uTorrent but I'm not running a server on windows! So my question is how good is uTorrent with wine? Is it reliable? Efficient? And how would I use it with SSH? Surely I'd have to install a gui anu VNC? Or am I better off and sticking with trackers that actually keep up with torrent clients development and know that there are some good linux clients now!

So what seedbox hosts should I use? I'd rather use one that allows BT instead of having the box unplugged if they find out, losing all my data and money!

Any help is much appreciated. Also if I've broken any rules I apologise and please correct me. I've read the FAQ and the rules but just in case! The rules here are nice and strict which is good. I liked the way you have to click FAQ and rules first to register. That got me a few times lol

Thanks

#961836 by unknown[242393] at 2008-06-25 01:47:16 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Postal wrote:

saythewords wrote:

Anybody have a good guide to installing and running rTorrent?

http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-I … 1166.shtml

:thankyou:

Now I'm really gonna get into GNU/Linux.

:geek:

#961930 by unknown[262944] at 2008-06-25 11:03:41 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

A lot of the recomendations posted here are for standard hosts. In other words they don't specifically accept BT. I've read stories of ppl losing their data and there moneywhen they're found out.
I know they probably wont if you prevent your box being noticed but I know I'll go over the top with my usage!
So basically are there not companies that provide specific hosting for seedboxes? Or shall I not worry about it?
Vectoral seem to be closed for dediiboxes whats the next best,

Thanks

#962306 by unknown[80820] at 2008-06-26 00:01:31 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

SkillMenta wrote:

A lot of the recomendations posted here are for standard hosts. In other words they don't specifically accept BT. I've read stories of ppl losing their data and there moneywhen they're found out.
I know they probably wont if you prevent your box being noticed but I know I'll go over the top with my usage!
So basically are there not companies that provide specific hosting for seedboxes? Or shall I not worry about it?
Vectoral seem to be closed for dediiboxes whats the next best,

Thanks

It is basically a don't ask, don't tell kind of policy. Some smaller hosts will be able to notice high bandwidth usage and maybe investigate. But really, unless you get notices sent to your host they won't bother you unless you don't pay your bill.

#962345 by unknown[242393] at 2008-06-26 01:11:04 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

I haven't seen many official companies that host seedboxes exclusively. Many hosts say, officially, that they don't accept BitTorrent, but that's to cover their behinds. As ARMY said, if you pay your bill and don't get noticed by authorities, you'll be OK.

I've had two servers: one from LeaseWeb and one from OVH (via reseller). I went through all my bandwidth at LW pretty quickly (had a 2TB limit) and my Kimsufi is currently ripping through its *unlimited* bandwidth. Total bandwidth will be your main concern, aside from running Windows Server or GNU/Linux. (I'm a bit of a GNU/Linux fan, so I had to run it on both of my servers.)

If you're comfortable with Linux and willing to get into CLI programs, seriously consider rTorrent against the other options. I'm not a GNU/Linux buff, but I'm a quick learner. I started using rTorrent when I got my server from OVH this week and I've pretty much mastered it. I had been running Torrentflux-b4rt on my LW box, but this is much less resource-intensive with a simple, intuitive interface. I much prefer it to Torrentflux-b4rt.

Just some comparisons: On my LW box I would run six total torrents, probably four seeds with maxed total transfer. I would start jumping into 3.50 load averages pretty quickly. With rTorrent (on a box with slightly less quality hardware), I'm running 8-10 torrents, maxed transfer, with 4 seeds and the highest I've seen is 1.35 load average--and that was during a hash check.

In the end, though, it's your call. Good luck.

#962396 by unknown[80820] at 2008-06-26 03:49:21 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Which OVH reseller did you end up going with? I upped my LeaseWeb bandwidth to 4 TB and I am almost there. Good thing the month is about over.

#962407 by unknown[242393] at 2008-06-26 04:29:20 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

seedhost.eu. It's a stupid price-hike, but I've got a full 100MB connection (I ran it maxed for around an hour yesterday) and *supposedly* unlimited bandwidth for less than I paid at LW.

#962449 by unknown[262944] at 2008-06-26 09:57:33 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

thanx 4 the advice. i think i may go with seedhost.eu as they have a package for 20 euros. the thing is it's windows and they have max 4 users on each box. thats pushing it with windows on ( unless it's got loads of processors and ram ). I prefer linux aswell, i run my home server with linux totally cli. but I don't know about rtorrent. is it a text based gui or just command line? I think torrentflux with transmission would be ok ( not bittornado ) although the good thing about uTor is that it's more widely accepted on trackers ( although any that don't accept the flux clients are still in the stone age ) Anyway if you can think of any package I can get for 25 euros please let me know. If it's not enough I'll move it.
Thanks

#962690 by unknown[242393] at 2008-06-26 21:19:13 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

I wouldn't go with a shared seedbox. Your speeds aren't going to be great and you won't be able to run a lot of torrents.

For 45 Euros you can get a dedicated server with root access (a Kimsufi, same as I have). If you want to pay even cheaper, and since you're in the UK, you could buy direct from OVH (19 Euros for a basic Kimsufi, 36 Euros for a Kimsufi XL). Although that requires some significant identification proofs, it's a heck of a deal.

It's text-based UI. Pretty nifty stuff, really. Torrentflux is just a resource hog. If you want simple (i.e., simple with pictures and graphics), go with that or uTorrent, but rTorrent rocks for efficiency and true simplicity.

#962716 by unknown[261275] at 2008-06-26 22:03:11 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

seedhost.eu is a crazy price hike but i think its worth it i have a deciated server from them the kimsufi the one for 40 euros and i have a full 100mbit connection i have uploaded 1TB in two 2 days and have no problem maxing download or upload at 11.2mb/s so i think its worth the price hike for me cause for $73US you get a deciated server with full 100mbit connection

#962811 by unknown[254327] at 2008-06-27 00:26:50 (5 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

ok well peeps got to say , ovh are good they are situated in france and they are on 100 mb dedicated lines my box gets 30.9 mb a sec down
and something like 8.9 mb a sec up they are good boxes as u can get one with 250 gb hard drive and 1 gb ram including vat is 24.99 and they do give decent service.
 

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