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#1173996 by Chill (Power User) at 2009-08-21 10:25:20 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

yeah. Well, to be honest, I would like the revamp of old azeroth, there are so many good instances and areas that you hardly see anymore + the lore is just amazing. I would love if they made blackrock mountin interessting again and revampd mc, bwl and even Ubrs again. And to finnaly see udlum and other unused areas (demigod under tristafall hello).

I guess we have to wait and see

#1174202 by RohitDonor (Power User) at 2009-08-21 22:17:28 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Confirmation, Tjallarick

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclys … true#video
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm/
http://www.mmo-champion.com/

#1174206 by alexpb1 (Power User) at 2009-08-21 22:23:28 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Looks cool. I like that both the Worgen and Goblins will have all new starting areas and start off at level 1. I will definitely make one.

#1174225 by Agent204Donor (Loud Mr.Miagi) at 2009-08-21 23:22:51 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Rohit wrote:

Confirmation, Tjallarick

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclys … true#video
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm/
http://www.mmo-champion.com/

So in Wrath of the Lich King, all we get to experience is the actual wrath of the Lich King...?

I want to kill Arthas already!

#1174233 by CrazyGorila (Power User) at 2009-08-21 23:55:45 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Must say i really like the Deathwing artwork.

Interested to see how the rated BG's will work and the whole Guild leveling thing will work out.
Hopefully this will bring some more "fresh air" to the game


Still Lich King needs to die first!

#1174285 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2009-08-22 05:46:47 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Yea, since ARthas wont be killed, my guess is that icecrown will not be released and instead we'll get the expansion.
The whole thingi with argent coliseum was to put up an attack against the lich king and now we find out hes gonna live in the expansion, whats up with that?

and yea, imma roll worgen and goblin just for hte starting questlines.

#1174319 by MicrodosslerDonor (Power User) at 2009-08-22 11:22:21 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

They still won't address some of the fundamental flaws of WoW as it exists today, I just don't understand it.

With this expansion you will still
- Have little use for more level 1-60 content, since the vast majority of the game is endgame
- Level a new character just to get it to max level so you can raid with it
- A make believe conflict between the alliance and the horde
- Be on an endless quest for better gear, because there's no other way to experience content and endgame
- Only be going to major cities for the auction house and the occasional talent respec or pvp queue
- Be able to kill some of the most deadly bosses in the game without learning to play properly

What is good with the expansion so far
- New areas is always sweet
- Azeroth changed, about time
- Flying in Azeroth, should have been done long time ago
- New races, why not?

What I would like there to be:
- Halaa style battles to control minor and medium settlements, bring the conflict out in the open. That means all kinds of settlements apart from major cities and starting areas.
- Greater penalties for dying, it should hurt much more to die, the game is no fun without fear of death
- More kinds of endgame objectives, maybe I don't want to kill mobs and bosses all the way to level 85.
- The ability to create factions separate from the Alliance and the Horde. Imagine a coalition of guilds vying for control of settlements, fighting against all who oppose them
- NPCs and traders in cities with items that people actually want and need, selling and buying at different prices, influenced by AH prices. That way you might not get the best price buying or selling from the AH, and interacting with a friggin mailbox all the time!

I have more, but cba
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#1174320 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2009-08-22 11:44:00 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Microdossler wrote:

They still won't address some of the fundamental flaws of WoW as it exists today, I just don't understand it.

With this expansion you will still
- Have little use for more level 1-60 content, since the vast majority of the game is endgame
- Level a new character just to get it to max level so you can raid with it
- A make believe conflict between the alliance and the horde
- Be on an endless quest for better gear, because there's no other way to experience content and endgame
- Only be going to major cities for the auction house and the occasional talent respec or pvp queue
- Be able to kill some of the most deadly bosses in the game without learning to play properly

What is good with the expansion so far
- New areas is always sweet
- Azeroth changed, about time
- Flying in Azeroth, should have been done long time ago
- New races, why not?

What I would like there to be:
- Halaa style battles to control minor and medium settlements, bring the conflict out in the open. That means all kinds of settlements apart from major cities and starting areas.
- Greater penalties for dying, it should hurt much more to die, the game is no fun without fear of death
- More kinds of endgame objectives, maybe I don't want to kill mobs and bosses all the way to level 85.
- The ability to create factions separate from the Alliance and the Horde. Imagine a coalition of guilds vying for control of settlements, fighting against all who oppose them
- NPCs and traders in cities with items that people actually want and need, selling and buying at different prices, influenced by AH prices. That way you might not get the best price buying or selling from the AH, and interacting with a friggin mailbox all the time!

I have more, but cba
[/rant]

The first points are halfassed
as of yet, a lot has been said, but a lot has also not been told.
They hinted that they have plans to make it more interesting for players to be in the major cities.

And the conflict between the alliance should be getting stronger, the only reason its make believe is because its up to players to choose if they want to constantly attack other players.
But i do agree that they should put in some pvp rewards for killing leaders, and possibly there should be something like horde attacking stormwind where horde can help and alliance players will have to defend it, would be sweet.
Gear is always why you play mmos, in any mmo you want more money and better items, that has never changed in any mmo.
there is a lot of use for the 1-60 content, its called storyline, they are making use of it to tell the story of how the cataclysm has happened.

And, we have no idea how the new raidbosses are, so they might not be the same generic move out of the fire bosses as they are now.
FAction Champions was a breath of fresh air since that needed players to use more than 1,2,3.

Making our own factions is really not going to happen for various reason, it sounds awesome but it would take to much remaking of the current world of warcraft i bet.
You can level in battlegrounds and pvp, you know that right?
And penalties for dying, no thanks, there are alot of times when i have died for stupid reasons (accidently casting magic while flying) or being sent flying because of retard thunderfuckers.
i do love the guild talents, less durability loss and cheaper repairs for the guild. <3

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#1174323 by Lysy (Power User) at 2009-08-22 12:04:35 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Proper WOW experience = proper RPGPVP servers.

'Nuff said

#1174327 by RohitDonor (Power User) at 2009-08-22 12:23:57 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Snuffsis wrote:

Yea, since ARthas wont be killed, my guess is that icecrown will not be released and instead we'll get the expansion.
The whole thingi with argent coliseum was to put up an attack against the lich king and now we find out hes gonna live in the expansion, whats up with that? .

Nah you're wrong im 100% sure icecrown raid will be released. Dont think the expansion is coming out tomorrow. its like TBC wotlk was announced a few months before sunwell plateau content patch was released.

my guess is that we can expect icecrown raid in 4-5 months and expansion in 10-12 months

#1174331 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2009-08-22 12:41:50 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Rohit wrote:

Snuffsis wrote:

Yea, since ARthas wont be killed, my guess is that icecrown will not be released and instead we'll get the expansion.
The whole thingi with argent coliseum was to put up an attack against the lich king and now we find out hes gonna live in the expansion, whats up with that? .

Nah you're wrong im 100% sure icecrown raid will be released. Dont think the expansion is coming out tomorrow. its like TBC wotlk was announced a few months before sunwell plateau content patch was released.

my guess is that we can expect icecrown raid in 4-5 months and expansion in 10-12 months

Its not one year till the cataclysm expansion rofl.
They said, 1 expansion with a year of each release. Its soon been exactly 1 year since wotlk came out (it was about 17 months after tbc wotlk came out) and they started working on cataclysm almost at the sametime as wotlk.

Icecrown raid might not even happen, or it might happen hwoever arthas wont be the last boss.
Arthas will still be alive in the cataclysm (I watched the livestream so i know alot about what blizz said) and that wotlk was merely a distraction for him to focus his forces elsewhere (for what that was, is unknown)

But my best bet is that cataclysm will be release earliest, this december, and latest probably may next year, but not one whole year again because that does not fit into blizzards plan.

#1174344 by RohitDonor (Power User) at 2009-08-22 13:15:37 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Snuffsis wrote:


Its not one year till the cataclysm expansion rofl.
They said, 1 expansion with a year of each release. Its soon been exactly 1 year since wotlk came out (it was about 17 months after tbc wotlk came out) and they started working on cataclysm almost at the sametime as wotlk.

Icecrown raid might not even happen, or it might happen hwoever arthas wont be the last boss.
Arthas will still be alive in the cataclysm (I watched the livestream so i know alot about what blizz said) and that wotlk was merely a distraction for him to focus his forces elsewhere (for what that was, is unknown)

But my best bet is that cataclysm will be release earliest, this december, and latest probably may next year, but not one whole year again because that does not fit into blizzards plan.

id rather have it they release expansion as soon as that, but still im trying to look at it from a realistic view, time = money for blizzard. im thinking this because tbc went all up to 2.4 (4 major content patches and outland is even a lot smaller than northrend) and weve just hit 3.2 (only 2 major content patches)

but because they're changing much more than they changed with wotlk, they have shitloads to work on. the balance testing of specs takes the longest because they said theyd change talent trees dramatically. complete revamp of azaroth. then again if they did start working on cataclysm at the same time as wotlk we can indeed expect it this soon. but im still 90% sure there will be at least 1 content patch before this expansion just for some delay. thinking about it this december would be crazy thats 3 months away

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#1174418 by Akro (Power User) at 2009-08-22 17:55:07 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

New expansion is looking good, imo. Will definetely try it out.

#1174921 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2009-08-24 12:04:19 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Rohit wrote:

Snuffsis wrote:


Its not one year till the cataclysm expansion rofl.
They said, 1 expansion with a year of each release. Its soon been exactly 1 year since wotlk came out (it was about 17 months after tbc wotlk came out) and they started working on cataclysm almost at the sametime as wotlk.

Icecrown raid might not even happen, or it might happen hwoever arthas wont be the last boss.
Arthas will still be alive in the cataclysm (I watched the livestream so i know alot about what blizz said) and that wotlk was merely a distraction for him to focus his forces elsewhere (for what that was, is unknown)

But my best bet is that cataclysm will be release earliest, this december, and latest probably may next year, but not one whole year again because that does not fit into blizzards plan.

id rather have it they release expansion as soon as that, but still im trying to look at it from a realistic view, time = money for blizzard. im thinking this because tbc went all up to 2.4 (4 major content patches and outland is even a lot smaller than northrend) and weve just hit 3.2 (only 2 major content patches)

but because they're changing much more than they changed with wotlk, they have shitloads to work on. the balance testing of specs takes the longest because they said theyd change talent trees dramatically. complete revamp of azaroth. then again if they did start working on cataclysm at the same time as wotlk we can indeed expect it this soon. but im still 90% sure there will be at least 1 content patch before this expansion just for some delay. thinking about it this december would be crazy thats 3 months away

*Yea, getting released in december is wishful thinking at best.
Blizzard did however say that the new talent tree and statchanges to gear would come in a patch, not if its iwth icecrown but they said it'd be patched in and not arrive with the expansion, sortof like the talent trees have been released in patches earlier.

#1174939 by Chill (Power User) at 2009-08-24 14:32:52 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

I was fairly sure that we wouldnt get new talents this expansion just the "path of the titans"?

#1174943 by RohitDonor (Power User) at 2009-08-24 14:44:44 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Chill wrote:

I was fairly sure that we wouldnt get new talents this expansion just the "path of the titans"?

well if i remember correctly they were gonna 'dramatically change' the talent trees and not add more talents maybe even remove some because they want single talents to have more meaning and not "yay i dinged level 35 finally i can add that 1% crit"

edit: @snuff

i downloaded blizzcon day 1 yesterday from mininova and they did clearly say theres gonna be a 3.3 with arthas as last boss

though its obvious he wont die because hes immortal he will prolly retreat when hes at 0% health

Last edited by Rohit at 2009-08-24 14:52:01

#1174966 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2009-08-24 16:21:46 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Rohit wrote:

Chill wrote:

I was fairly sure that we wouldnt get new talents this expansion just the "path of the titans"?

well if i remember correctly they were gonna 'dramatically change' the talent trees and not add more talents maybe even remove some because they want single talents to have more meaning and not "yay i dinged level 35 finally i can add that 1% crit"

edit: @snuff

i downloaded blizzcon day 1 yesterday from mininova and they did clearly say theres gonna be a 3.3 with arthas as last boss

though its obvious he wont die because hes immortal he will prolly retreat when hes at 0% health

It was during day 2 they showed icecrown citadel raid dungeon, not day 1. atleast from what i can remember, anyway, arthas will be fought against, but he will not be killed.

And yea, the new talent trees are the Mastery System in which we get more dmg for that particular spec.
Lets say i spec elemental as shaman, i will then get more crit, more sp and such by spending talent points, its a passive buff that keeps increasing, so more talent points in one tree increases that tree's dmg.

#1175105 by Agent204Donor (Loud Mr.Miagi) at 2009-08-24 23:34:24 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

So we get to fight Arthas, but he wuzzes off, and we're left with a box with epix?

*sigh*, looks like I'll be selling my 6th account as well, get bored and grind myself an 85.

#1175199 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2009-08-25 07:24:50 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Agent204 wrote:

So we get to fight Arthas, but he wuzzes off, and we're left with a box with epix?

*sigh*, looks like I'll be selling my 6th account as well, get bored and grind myself an 85.

Purely storywise, we can not kill arthas, it is impossible to kill something that is as powerful as a god and is already dead.

#1175462 by unknown[269807] at 2009-08-26 00:32:13 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Bet its going to be a new chess event with arthas as the opponent!

#1175709 by Agent204Donor (Loud Mr.Miagi) at 2009-08-26 17:56:23 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Snuffsis wrote:

Purely storywise, we can not kill arthas, it is impossible to kill something that is as powerful as a god and is already dead.

Someone tell that to Kratos.

#1175927 by VenomBite (Power User) at 2009-08-27 02:22:04 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Purely storywise, we can not kill arthas, it is impossible to kill something that is as powerful as a god and is already dead.

Hardly think he is the only powerful being in the WoW universe but sure, and being dead means very little his body can probably be destroyed,maybe his spirit cleansed. Arthas was corrupted so he should still be in there somewhere. Maybe you will fight Arthas and get some NPC aid from Tirion or something. But either way he will be a tough nut to crack. Should be intresting to see how they go about doing it. Doesnt realy mather tho,we will get a new baddie too focus on in the new expansion ^^

#1176058 by unknown[299181] at 2009-08-27 15:10:05 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

I have a slight problem with wow, and i find it annoying. THE GAMEPLAY IS REPETATIVE . You guys all know the VERY FIRST TIME you played WoW, and thinking " holy fuck this is so awesome" and the awesome feeling you have when you ride your very first mount, racing through the barrens and redridge mountains, slaying undeads in duskwood and slaughtering blood elves in Warsong gulch.

My point is :

It's all gone I can't get that marvelous feeling of playing wow back. It's such a friggin shame

#1176386 by unknown[329797] at 2009-08-28 01:48:51 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Bowa wrote:

I have a slight problem with wow, and i find it annoying. THE GAMEPLAY IS REPETATIVE . You guys all know the VERY FIRST TIME you played WoW, and thinking " holy fuck this is so awesome" and the awesome feeling you have when you ride your very first mount, racing through the barrens and redridge mountains, slaying undeads in duskwood and slaughtering blood elves in Warsong gulch.

My point is :

It's all gone I can't get that marvelous feeling of playing wow back. It's such a friggin shame

Isn't that with everything you do in life? Nope, I'll never personally get back my wow-feeling when I first started, sure it's a shame. I'm getting bored aswell of Ulduar (completed hard modes & algalon already) & the coliseum is just a joke. I'm getting really really bored of this, so I've rolled a shaman to heal a bit with instead of tank 24/7, and hopefully it'll bring me joy until the next content is released.

#1176496 by unknown[299181] at 2009-08-28 13:39:44 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

The last time i really had the good ol' wow feeling is when i stepped off the boat in Howling Fjord for the first time, and flying over cristal song forest to dalaran, that was all great. I hope Cataclysm will bring back that feeling.

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