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#1031070 by unknown[23] at 2008-11-04 18:37:15 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] Thing is.. you can have all the stats you like but if you miss, they won't do you any good. I don't disagree that TG is going be a lot better at 80, but it's not going to be omgsuperawesomeoverpowered like every one thinks it's going to be. They're buffing it tonight(?) from 15% miss to 5% which is great.. but until 80 there's no way of saying whether it's THE raid spec. Even if it is.. arms won't be far behind. #1031231 by chris (Power User) at 2008-11-04 21:50:23 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] I want a new UI, bored with standard + Grid Something minimal, and yeh I've looked at Caith's which I do love, but wondering what else people are using #1031242 by Draed (Power User) at 2008-11-04 22:03:24 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] Well, if you like minimal Grid is still the smallest group/raid solution there is. Personally I use X-Perl + Dominos and Grid in Raids. Here's my hunter twink with my standard UI I use with all my chars. This image has been resized, click here to view the full-sized image. Last edited by Draed at 2008-11-04 22:03:38 #1031255 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2008-11-04 22:21:53 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] I use spartan ui with some other things to compliment it. www.spartanui.com #1031307 by Chill (Power User) at 2008-11-04 23:04:05 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] i love my new ui that I fixed last night. Though it's designed for ether widescreen or 1620resoulutions, so you might have to do some tweaking s with that though don't mind the micro bar to the right, I just pop that once in a while to check our arena rating since I did bind that hotkey to something different This image has been resized, click here to view the full-sized image. Last edited by Chill at 2008-11-04 23:09:22 #1031361 by Calidus (Power User) at 2008-11-04 23:49:09 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] Happyheals, the retri paladin #1031363 by unknown[23] at 2008-11-04 23:51:51 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] Quick screenie of what I'm using. !LynColors ACP Auctionator AzCastBar AzCastBarOptions BadBoy Bagnon Bagnon_Forever Bagnon_Options Bagnon_Tooltips BigWigs Buffalo Butsu ButtonFacade ButtonFacade_Caith Dominos Dominos_Config Doom_CooldownPulse DoubleWide EasyMail EnhancedStackSplit Examiner Fane fontain Gossipmonger Grid MikScrollingBattleText MSBTOptions Omen OmniCC oUF oUF_Lyn PhanxChat pMap pStats Recount RedRange SharedMedia Squeenix teksLoot TipTac TipTacTalents Yata #1031393 by Yinchie (Power User) at 2008-11-05 00:48:11 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] This image has been resized, click here to view the full-sized image. Castbars of "Player" and "Target" are above my big actionbuttons. #1031425 by slacker4life (Power User) at 2008-11-05 02:32:32 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] This image has been resized, click here to view the full-sized image. #1031439 by Yinchie (Power User) at 2008-11-05 03:28:16 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] DIE! #1031455 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2008-11-05 04:29:56 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] Chill wrote: i love my new ui that I fixed last night. Though it's designed for ether widescreen or 1620resoulutions, so you might have to do some tweaking s with that though don't mind the micro bar to the right, I just pop that once in a while to check our arena rating since I did bind that hotkey to something different http://i34.tinypic.com/2pr8pyt.jpg What is that addon that shows how many mails you got and all that? #1031488 by unknown[258103] at 2008-11-05 06:03:59 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] sensory wrote: Thing is.. you can have all the stats you like but if you miss, they won't do you any good. I don't disagree that TG is going be a lot better at 80, but it's not going to be omgsuperawesomeoverpowered like every one thinks it's going to be. They're buffing it tonight(?) from 15% miss to 5% which is great.. but until 80 there's no way of saying whether it's THE raid spec. Even if it is.. arms won't be far behind. But when you cap out on hit you won't miss anymore and your dps with titans grip will incrase twice as fast compared with two 1h weapons. #1031527 by Shaamaan (Power User) at 2008-11-05 08:21:28 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] Yinchie wrote: DIE! Shush... if there was a trial, I'd gladly try that game! #1031653 by Chill (Power User) at 2008-11-05 13:10:19 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] Calidus wrote: Happyheals, the retri paladin was holy before I'm waiting for my name change cd to name it lolret also that addon is called SLData Text #1031661 by unknown[23] at 2008-11-05 13:18:38 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] Relur wrote: But when you cap out on hit you won't miss anymore and your dps with titans grip will incrase twice as fast compared with two 1h weapons. You can keep saying that over and over.. but Blizzard has repeatedly said that they want to balance arms and fury so that both will output comparable DPS. #1031681 by Shaamaan (Power User) at 2008-11-05 14:13:53 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] sensory wrote: Relur wrote: But when you cap out on hit you won't miss anymore and your dps with titans grip will incrase twice as fast compared with two 1h weapons. You can keep saying that over and over.. but Blizzard has repeatedly said that they want to balance arms and fury so that both will output comparable DPS. Yes, and we all know how good Blizzard is at balancing things. #1031701 by Chill (Power User) at 2008-11-05 15:02:43 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] hmm tested out the new paladin patch. Have to say that it isn't so bad that I thought, could still beat my 401 resilience frost mage mate, and my paladin have a wopping 175 with the merciless sword and vengefull chest! /phu #1032142 by unknown[23] at 2008-11-06 12:00:59 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] Shaamaan wrote: Yes, and we all know how good Blizzard is at balancing things. What, you mean compared to the popular MMO's like Lineage 2, WAR, Eve, etc.? Pretty good, actually. #1032498 by chris (Power User) at 2008-11-06 22:29:47 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] After all the UI talk, I can't be arsed Will level and then get something sorted out for healbotting I think. #1032499 by unknown[66354] at 2008-11-06 22:30:41 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] sensory wrote: Shaamaan wrote: Yes, and we all know how good Blizzard is at balancing things. What, you mean compared to the popular MMO's like Lineage 2, WAR, Eve, etc.? Pretty good, actually. i take u never played war then as that is pretty perfectly balanced at least when i played it at launch it was. You cant deny the fact that wow is so unbelievably unbalanced so there isn't any sensible argument to be had #1032533 by unknown[8443] at 2008-11-06 23:56:09 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] Relur wrote: But when you cap out on hit you won't miss anymore and your dps with titans grip will incrase twice as fast compared with two 1h weapons. By capping hit, you are sacrificing other stats equal in weight to the stats you've gained by using 2 two handers including the huge dps of the weapons. If you're saying buy upgrading weapons once your hit capped will scale greatly, you are wrong. As the game progressing all your gear will by upgraded and you'll have to continue to make the sacrifice there for hit. That's the entire point of the huge hit requirement for titans grip. #1032636 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2008-11-07 06:07:46 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] xeoGenesis wrote: Relur wrote: But when you cap out on hit you won't miss anymore and your dps with titans grip will incrase twice as fast compared with two 1h weapons. By capping hit, you are sacrificing other stats equal in weight to the stats you've gained by using 2 two handers including the huge dps of the weapons. If you're saying buy upgrading weapons once your hit capped will scale greatly, you are wrong. As the game progressing all your gear will by upgraded and you'll have to continue to make the sacrifice there for hit. That's the entire point of the huge hit requirement for titans grip. ore you just put on the hit talent, thats like, what, 3%? so you have a 98% hit rate then... #1032644 by unknown[258103] at 2008-11-07 06:51:14 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] xeoGenesis wrote: Relur wrote: But when you cap out on hit you won't miss anymore and your dps with titans grip will incrase twice as fast compared with two 1h weapons. By capping hit, you are sacrificing other stats equal in weight to the stats you've gained by using 2 two handers including the huge dps of the weapons. If you're saying buy upgrading weapons once your hit capped will scale greatly, you are wrong. As the game progressing all your gear will by upgraded and you'll have to continue to make the sacrifice there for hit. That's the entire point of the huge hit requirement for titans grip. 5% hit is equal to 15.7 hit for each %. That means you get a little more than 5 dps and a little less than 6dps using 1h weapon instead of titans grip today if you don't count the weapons stats. But lets just compare it now shall we. 2h Sword http://thottbot.com/i33688 134.2dps 46str 62sta hit 15 crit 46 res 33 armor pen 14 vs 1h Sword http://thottbot.com/i33762 103.1dps 30 sta hit 8 crit 21 res 12 ap 34 armor pet 7 The difference in using two weapon at the same time. + menas better with 2h. - means better with 1h +62.2dps +92str (or 184ap or 14dps) +4sta (40hp) +14hit (1% hit) +50crit (1% crit) +42res -64ap (4dps) +14armor pen as you can see you gain ALOT of item stats AND DPS if you use titans grip instead of two 1h weapons. IF they had the 15% penalty it would have been a complete different story and the weapon would prolly not scale until early 80 epics. If you would throw in two level 80 epics in the comparisson the difference would be even greater as the penalty of hit don't increase with the item levels but the item stats keeps increasing TWICE the speed of using two 1h weapons. Titans grip is so going to get nerfed all the time as the gear in the game gets better and better just to balance the game. Imagine the forums how they are going to get swamped in whine posts from noob warriors without brains. If I start playing WoW again Im gonna play on my gnome warrior and spec titans grip for leveling. Not only will my gnome look good I will do massive damage. Just to make this clear this is not compared to any other talent specs this is just pure difference between 1h weapon and titans grip fury build. #1032680 by unknown[23] at 2008-11-07 09:33:02 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] CMason wrote: i take u never played war then as that is pretty perfectly balanced at least when i played it at launch it was. You cant deny the fact that wow is so unbelievably unbalanced so there isn't any sensible argument to be had Unbelievably unbalanced? How exactly? For a couple of weeks there with Retri being ridiculous.. maybe. And WAR was unbalanced when I played it in Beta. Maybe that changed, but it wasn't the only thing that made me realise WoW is where it's at.. at least until there's a few content patches for WAR. @Relur: You're forgetting the +hit you already need as a Fury warrior is included in that 5%, and that gear scales with the combat rating system. Essentially you will still be sacrificing stats for +hit to cap at least your yellow attacks even if you factor in the new gear. As it stands now TG would only be marginally better.. even at 80. #1032712 by unknown[258103] at 2008-11-07 10:39:18 (4 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report] sensory wrote: @Relur: You're forgetting the +hit you already need as a Fury warrior is included in that 5%, and that gear scales with the combat rating system. Essentially you will still be sacrificing stats for +hit to cap at least your yellow attacks even if you factor in the new gear. As it stands now TG would only be marginally better.. even at 80. Do you even know how stats and item levels works? No I did not forget that you need HIT as fury warrior. In fact every class needs +hit even the arms warriors. Thats why the comparrisson was made between FURY warrior with two 1h weapons and FURY warrior with two 2h weapons. Relur wrote: Just to make this clear this is not compared to any other talent specs this is just pure difference between 1h weapon and titans grip fury build. A fury warrior with two 1h weapons has the same chance to hit as a fury warrior with two 2h weapons if you don't count the 5% Understand so far? Relur wrote: 5% hit is equal to 15.7 hit for each %. That means you get a little more than 5 dps and a little less than 6dps using 1h weapon instead of titans grip today if you don't count the weapons stats. MEANING the LOSS from STACKING 5% HIT is EQUAL to 5DPS. Do you understand now? sensory wrote: and that gear scales with the combat rating system. Tell me where I forgot that. In every calculation I have the World of Warcraft combat system and the stats all encounted for, and that is exactly why TG is going to be really fucking good. Because if they scale it after the best possible gear in the game the spec is going to suck until you get that gear. But if you scale it after the worst possible gear int he game its gonna be überfucking ownage in every way. Do you understand so far? A 1h weapon (one handed weapon, it is used in one hand by every class) has a X ammount of points in stats. Everytime a weapon gains DPS or STAMINA or whatever it increases the item level. A 2h weapon (two handed weapon, it is used in two hands or in one hand by fury warriors) has a X ammount of points in stats. It has TWICE as many points in stats because it is a TWO handed weapon meaning it will have HIGHER DPS and MORE STATS compared to a 1h weapon. Do you understand? IF the stats on weapons was scaled after the gear you wear a two handed weapon would have the exact same stats as a 1h weapon and there would be no increase in dps.... that would be fucking retarded because nobody would ever dual wield or use two handed weapons. You would only run around with a dagger and a shield. Because that dagger would scale with damage equal to a two handed sword. Do you understand?

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