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#1350334 by Xi0nicDonor (Power User) at 2010-11-17 21:46:07 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Kpoof wrote:

Druids needs to be nerfed. Critting a 35k heal without treeform, any buffs at all with regrowth isn't normal..

The most I've seen is maybe 15k-20k in ICC.
And that's from Healing Touch, ~3 second cast.

And YOU shut your face.
Druids have been through a lot.  No tree form = gimme some damn buffs.  We deserve it.

Last edited by Xi0nic at 2010-11-17 21:46:45

#1350374 by unknown[397565] at 2010-11-17 23:01:22 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

in random heroics they heal me for 15-20k very often and keep me alive through boss fights liek a walk in the park... i imagine they can crit for more, best healers in game now as healing quantity....I was thinking to make a Dwarf shaman for Cata, but I might make a Worgen druid instead

#1350376 by Xi0nicDonor (Power User) at 2010-11-17 23:08:15 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

malavoglia wrote:

in random heroics they heal me for 15-20k very often and keep me alive through boss fights liek a walk in the park... i imagine they can crit for more, best healers in game now as healing quantity....I was thinking to make a Dwarf shaman for Cata, but I might make a Worgen druid instead

Regrowth will not hit for more than 10k outside of ICC.
HT will crit for 19k-20k if the Druid is 80 and GEARED, but like I said it's a useless heal right now.

The bread and butter heal is Rejuv with 1 stack of LB on the tank.  Anything more than that, and they're trying too hard.

This is for wotlk of course.
If they're healing you with HT at all then they're failing at their job.  No restos should be using Nourish or HT at all at 80, in wotlk.

But yes I agree, Resto Druids and Discos are the best healers right now, by far.
Holy Paladins are the worst, and Resto Shams are decent.

For what it's worth, every healing class has a 3+ second heal that will crit for 15k to 20k.  In fact Holy Palas have the strongest huge-heal, Divine Light does around 50% MORE healing than HT.

The only benefit Druids have over the other classes, are rolling HoT spells.  All healing classes have the exact same direct healing (single-target) capabilities.  Same goes for them, no healers should be using their huge heals until Cata.

The fact that anyone would cite a direct [large] healing spell as an "OP class" right now, is just ridiculous.
Unless you're talking about the cata beta.

Also restos are massively nerfed in the new patch (which isn't on Live yet).

Last edited by Xi0nic at 2010-11-17 23:15:03

#1350420 by unknown[329797] at 2010-11-18 01:27:23 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Shamans do not have a 3+ second heal. 2.5 is the longest cast time for our heal we've got. Seeing as our haste cap is 1409 now, the longest cast we are going to have (which we shouldn't) is an un-buffed Greater Healing Wave or Healing Wave / Chain Heal which caps out at what, 1.2 seconds?

I am not sure which heal it was my druid friend casted, I can ask him tomorrow if the desire is so high. All I know is that he managed to crit a 35k on me in Dalaran, without buffs, without treeform, without any procs. Just one cast.. I doubt it was Nourish, so that's why I went with Regrowth since I really can't remember. And it did crit for 35k, his cast time was 1.8 seconds, and it shouldn't hit for 35k. In ICC with buffs / treeform, that'll be atleast a 50-60k crit - that shouldn't exist in WotLK.

All healers do not have the same direct healing (single-target) capabilities. This is why there are holy paladins that Blizzard themselves have classified as the best tank healers. Are you even playing this game?

Yes, restos should be massively nerfed, and that's what they are going to become. There's no point in arguing against facts.

Besides, druids have NOT been through alot. I believe that alot of other classes have recieved way more pushing around then druids this time around.

#1350437 by Xi0nicDonor (Power User) at 2010-11-18 02:31:10 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Kpoof wrote:

All healers do not have the same direct healing (single-target) capabilities. This is why there are holy paladins that Blizzard themselves have classified as the best tank healers. Are you even playing this game?

All healers have a small, medium, and large heal, circumstantial.
They all heal for similar amounts and have the same kind of mana coefficients.

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2.5 is the longest cast time for our heal we've got

I rounded.

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All I know is that he managed to crit a 35k on me in Dalaran, without buffs, without treeform, without any procs.

Level 80?
He did not.

Just because you think your friend did a 35k crit heal, doesn't mean Restos are OP.
I've already told you Holy Palas have stronger direct-healing spells.  I guess they need to be nerfed? 

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Yes, restos should be massively nerfed, and that's what they are going to become. There's no point in arguing against facts.

We've already been nerfed.
Mostly mana regen stuff.  It's not live yet, though.

Last edited by Xi0nic at 2010-11-18 02:52:07

#1350505 by sauriel (Power User) at 2010-11-18 10:38:13 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

watching the blizzcon tournament i was shocked at how many resto droods there were in the top teams.
infact not a single non resto druid even made it to the quarter finals, shit man r.druids were the king of kings this expansion (wotlk)

#1350536 by unknown[329797] at 2010-11-18 13:25:45 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Yes, all healers have the same way of healing like you said, small - medium - large heals. Shamans STILL aren't getting past 1.5 - 1.6 seconds of healing anymore.

I see, so you're contradicting me by saying that my friend did NOT crit me with a 35k heal? Could it have been a healing touch then, since that's the "big" heal now?

Never the less, which heal it would be wouldn't matter. At this point I assume that you've got the best in slot items in every single slot and you're an amazing raider, since you just blatantly are able to deny what I'm saying. I'm not trying to make myself "look so cool" and say "yeah my friend does 35k heals unbuffed", it's just a matter of freaking fact. I recieved a heal, it said 35xxx, since he was spamming the same heal over and over again. You can't deny that fact. If you really are THAT good as you put yourself to be, why don't you go ahead and try it yourself then?

Yeah, paladins DEFINATELY need to be nerfed, as soon as you understand what we actually are discussing instead of making wiseass comments about things you don't seem to comprehend.

That's great.

Let me put a word of advice for you though before we go on, if you didn't know, everything is based around level 85 right now, which means that some coefficients (like the druids) are a bit out of scale. When Fire mages did 20k DPS on a singletarget on a dummy when 4.0.1 hit, it was fixed instantly. Resto druids aren't doing 20k healing per second all of a sudden, that's why it isn't on a priority list.

And as Sauriel said, druids are everywhere, that's because they really are TOO good.

#1350538 by Xi0nicDonor (Power User) at 2010-11-18 13:32:12 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Kpoof wrote:

I recieved a heal, it said 35xxx, since he was spamming the same heal over and over again.

This didn't happen.

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freaking fact

A "fact" would be, Resto Druids cannot do a 35k heal of any kind, regardless of gear, talents, or procs, at level 80.  Unless you're both inside ICC.
That's a fact for you.

None of the druids direct healing spells (We have 3) have any improvements over the other classes.
Whatever your friend can do, you can do the same amount in equal gear.

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Let me put a word of advice for you though before we go on, if you didn't know, everything is based around level 85 right now

Then why are you complaining about Druids at level 80 in the Cata patch right now?
We're OP now because of the mana issue at level 80 (The issue is, there is no issue).  We can roll infinite HoTs on everyone and it's impossible to oom.  At 85 the mana returns from our spells are significantly less, HoT blanketing is significantly less viable as it's too mana intensive.

Holy Paladins were the best healers in wotlk, at least until 4.0.1 dropped.

Also for what it's worth;
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=77472
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=5185/healing-touch

Note the cast time, and the healing amount.
This ignores talents of course...

Last edited by Xi0nic at 2010-11-18 13:36:44

#1350577 by unknown[329797] at 2010-11-18 15:24:01 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Xi0nic wrote:

Kpoof wrote:

I recieved a heal, it said 35xxx, since he was spamming the same heal over and over again.

This didn't happen.

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freaking fact

A "fact" would be, Resto Druids cannot do a 35k heal of any kind, regardless of gear, talents, or procs, at level 80.  Unless you're both inside ICC.
That's a fact for you.

None of the druids direct healing spells (We have 3) have any improvements over the other classes.
Whatever your friend can do, you can do the same amount in equal gear.

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Let me put a word of advice for you though before we go on, if you didn't know, everything is based around level 85 right now

Then why are you complaining about Druids at level 80 in the Cata patch right now?
We're OP now because of the mana issue at level 80 (The issue is, there is no issue).  We can roll infinite HoTs on everyone and it's impossible to oom.  At 85 the mana returns from our spells are significantly less, HoT blanketing is significantly less viable as it's too mana intensive.

Holy Paladins were the best healers in wotlk, at least until 4.0.1 dropped.

Also for what it's worth;
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=77472
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=5185/healing-touch

Note the cast time, and the healing amount.
This ignores talents of course...

Wow.. complete idiot aren't you?

I'm calling my friend now, I'll take a screenshot and post it whenever he comes online.

And afaik, I'm not complaining about druids at all. And I thought you said that Druids aren't OP at the moment? Now you're saying that they actually ARE OP? It doesn't matter, I've seen you before on these forums and you're a terrible troll. I'll post a screenshot whenever he comes online.

#1350581 by Xi0nicDonor (Power User) at 2010-11-18 15:31:19 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Kpoof wrote:

Wow.. complete idiot aren't you?

I'm calling my friend now, I'll take a screenshot and post it whenever he comes online.

And afaik, I'm not complaining about druids at all. And I thought you said that Druids aren't OP at the moment? Now you're saying that they actually ARE OP? It doesn't matter, I've seen you before on these forums and you're a terrible troll. I'll post a screenshot whenever he comes online.

I've said Druids are OP at least 3 times now.
This is due to mechanics being balanced around 85 in Cata.  Druids are limited by their mana, at the moment we have infinite mana, so we can literally spam hots everywhere, endlessly.  The one mechanic meant to balance druid healing abilities is currently irrelevant.  Therefore we have infinite healing potential, limited only by GCD.

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I'm calling my friend now, I'll take a screenshot and post it whenever he comes online.

Whatever direct healing your friend pulls off, you could do as more or better in the same ilvl gear with the same procs.
That's just the way it is.

If you are saying "Druids are OP because I think my friend did a huge direct heal" then you clearly fail to understand class mechanics.  A druid using any kind of direct heal, other than a flash to save someone in immediate danger, is failing to play the class properly.

By the way, a talented Healing Touch doing 35k heals would require around 6k-7k spell power.

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Wow.. complete idiot aren't you?

I just showed you the two greater heals that Shammies and Druids have.
The shammy ability is actually stronger and more mana efficient; the only thing that could change that would be spell power coefficients, talents, and glyphs.  You can go check yourself to see which ends up more powerful.  I already know the answer.

Druids are a HoT class primarily, obviously, and right now in WOTLK Restos should only use 1 casted heal:  Regrowth (it's our flash heal).  None of the other casted heals (Nourish and HT) are viable.  They should not be spec'd.  They should not be used.  Ever.  Never. Ever. until Cata.

Druids are OP due to HoT mechanics being unfiltered.
They are not OP due to any casting-related effect you might think you see.

As a reference, here is my healing chart from an ICC10 last night, it was still in my meter this morning.
Note that Regrowth has a HoT component to it, as well.  Roughly 13% of my healing came from directed spells.


This image has been resized, click here to view the full-sized image.

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I've seen you before on these forums and you're a terrible troll.

And finally...
Being right ALL THE TIME doesn't make me a troll.  It just makes me awesome.

Last edited by Xi0nic at 2010-11-18 16:04:50

#1350584 by YinchieDonor (Power User) at 2010-11-18 15:43:41 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Best tanker healer is a blood death knight.

#1350600 by unknown[329797] at 2010-11-18 16:05:30 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Xi0nic wrote:

I've said Druids are OP at least 3 times now.
This is due to mechanics being balanced around 85 in Cata.  Druids are limited by their mana, at the moment we have infinite mana, so we can literally spam hots everywhere, endlessly.  The one mechanic meant to balance druid healing abilities is currently irrelevant.  Therefore we have infinite healing potential, limited only by GCD.

No shit? I've said that myself plenty of times, and that isn't even relevant to what we're discussing.

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Whatever direct healing your friend pulls off, you could do as more or better in the same ilvl gear with the same procs.
That's just the way it is.

Again, really? I had no idea about this... So you're saying that if you use a flask you will do more healing? OMG, fucking breakthrough.

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If you are saying "Druids are OP because I think my friend did a huge direct heal" then you clearly fail to understand class mechanics.  A druid using any kind of direct heal, other than a flash to save someone in immediate danger, is failing to play the class properly.

I'm not saying that. I don't even know what to reply to that stupid statement. Are you done stating the obvious here?

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I just showed you the two greater heals that Shammies and Druids have.
The shammy ability is actually stronger and more mana efficient; the only thing that could change that would be spell power coefficients, talents, and glyphs.  You can go check yourself to see which ends up more powerful.  I already know the answer.

I think it's time for you stop being such elitist, especially when you are bragging about basic stuff that every single raider knows. NO - SHIT? I really start to doubt that you are even remotely good at this game. You aren't automatically good for knowing basic shit like you and taking half of the shit from elitist jerks, you are good at this game when you become a nice person to discuss things with and stop bragging about you being so "awesome" - you aren't.

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Druids are a HoT class primarily, obviously, and right now in WOTLK Restos should only use 1 casted heal:  Regrowth (it's our flash heal).  None of the other casted heals (Nourish and HT) are viable.  They should not be spec'd.  They should not be used.  Ever.  Never. Ever. until Cata.

NO WAY? DRUIDS ARE A HOT CLASS? WTF

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Druids are OP due to HoT mechanics being unfiltered.
They are not OP due to any casting-related effect you might think you see.

As a reference, here is my healing chart from an ICC10 last night, it was still in my meter this morning.
Note that Regrowth has a HoT component to it, as well.  Roughly 13% of my healing came from directed spells.

http://imgur.com/FCkYr.png

I'm not even discussing WHAT KIND OF CLASS druids are. Have you not understood this yet? It seems you just enjoy slipping away from the subject over and over to provide basic class information and think you're awesome about it.

I'm not saying that druids are overpowered becuase they can do a 35k crit with a single heal, I'm saying that druids are the best healers right now and they won't be as good as they are now come Cataclysm. It doesn't matter if that specific heal is used or isn't, and quite frankly I don't care. I enjoy talking in this forum, so I bring up things that raised my eyebrow, for example that heal. And if you don't believe me - fine. Either you're clearly not geared / gemmed / specced enough to manage to do such heals, or you just don't know how to play. I don't really care either way, since pesting down this thread like you are trying to contradict me with the same information I posted is just a very strange waste of time.

I'm almost leaning towards you trolling me due to what you're writing and explaining to me.

Conclusion: Are you done bragging around? We all know that druids are very effective right now. End of story.

#1350605 by Xi0nicDonor (Power User) at 2010-11-18 16:13:29 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Kpoof wrote:

No shit? I've said that myself plenty of times, and that isn't even relevant to what we're discussing.

You said Druids are OP, citing a 35k direct heal.
You've said nothing about HoTs nor mana, which is where the real concern should be.
Now you're pretending it's an inherent issue even though you didn't mention it at all... Now that I do, suddenly that's the problem?

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Again, really? I had no idea about this... So you're saying that if you use a flask you will do more healing? OMG, fucking breakthrough.

I am not saying this, you are.
You "saw" your friend do a large directed heal.  I'm saying you will do the same amount with equal procs and gear, thus it's not OP.  I do not know what gear your healing toon has or what gear your friend has.

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I'm not saying that. I don't even know what to reply to that stupid statement. Are you done stating the obvious here?

Again, it's exactly what you said.
"35k heal, Druid is OP" etc.

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I think it's time for you stop being such elitist, especially when you are bragging about basic stuff that every single raider knows. NO - SHIT? I really start to doubt that you are even remotely good at this game. You aren't automatically good for knowing basic shit like you and taking half of the shit from elitist jerks, you are good at this game when you become a nice person to discuss things with and stop bragging about you being so "awesome" - you aren't.

I'm not trying to be elitist.
I'm just trying to make a point.  You are wrong, you do not know what you are talking about, your entire argument is based around a large heal that doesn't exist because it didn't happen.

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NO WAY? DRUIDS ARE A HOT CLASS? WTF

Then why do you care about their directed heal so much?
I don't understand.

I'm not the one citing any form of Druid direct heals; I'm saying the opposite.
You're the one who seems so obsessed with Healign Touch, the most useless spell Druids have right now.

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I'm saying that druids are the best healers right now and they won't be as good as they are now come Cataclysm.

And I said the same thing multiple times already.
You're calling for nerfs based on faulty level 80 mechanics, citing a 35k heal that never happened.  Now you say Cataclysm is the inherent nerf.

I'm just stating facts about the class.
I have no idea what you think you saw, nor what you think you know about Druids.  You can either learn from my information or ignore it.  I don't really care.

You're wrong.
You know you're wrong.
And now you realize how stupid you've made yourself look.

So now you're getting "angry" about it and lashing out at me.  I'm just trying to help you understand the class, and perhaps understand why Druids are doing better than they will in Cataclysm.

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#1350649 by unknown[329797] at 2010-11-18 18:10:20 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

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Then why do you care about their directed heal so much?
I don't understand.

I'm not the one citing any form of Druid direct heals; I'm saying the opposite.
You're the one who seems so obsessed with Healign Touch, the most useless spell Druids have right now.

Alright. Because this is a discussion forum. Can you go up to Blizzard and say "Okay asswipes, direct-healing spells in this game aren't used, so fuck you all and remove it because I want to".

Live with this fact that this heal actually does exist in the game, and it will probably always exist in the game. Do you know why? Because druids actually have been tank healers, they are able to be tank healers. Yes, spells ARE useless, alot of spells are completely useless and are never used ever, so we're not allowed to talk about them?

I mentioned a direct-healing spell because I got really surprised when that text hit my screen with a big number like that. It's because I've never in my life seen such a big heal come from a druid before , especially without any buffs or treeform. Of course I remember that specific heal. And now you're trying to turn it against me when I mention it, making me look like a complete idiot by saying 1) it never happened and 2) that I don't know anything about druids? (considering you gave me a basic lesson about what druids are, I assume that must've been a correct point)

"It didn't happen". Fine, play it that way, prove me it didn't happen. Just because YOU can't do such a heal, means no one can? I saw it happen, I doublechecked the combat log, and he did it again, over and over and over. Don't try to prove me wrong, because you aren't going to succeed. You won't ever manage to say "It didn't happen" convincingly, because it did. Live with that fact.

This is what I've come down to:

A) You're either fucking me really bad and trying to win an arguement you're inevitably going to lose.
B) You've realised that you're such a poor dick and trying to bring up OTHER irrelevant points about this arguement to make it look like I'm the idiot here.
C) You really are so stupid and STILL do not understand what the big whoop we're talking about is.

You pick one, I can't come up with anything positive you've said here. Let me run this through for your brain again:

I DID NOT STATE / MEAN TO STATE THAT DRUIDS ARE OP ONLY BECAUSE THEY MANAGE TO CRIT HIGH WITH ONE SINGLE HEAL.

Even though you still manage to write:

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Again, it's exactly what you said. "35k heal, Druid is OP" etc.".

It's called READ BETWEEN THE LINES. Try to understand what point I'm making. You don't have to try to make me look like a moron on these forums by turning shit around just because YOU misunderstod something. If you STILL aren't getting, I was meaning to say "Gosh guys, I saw my friend crit me with a 35k heal. I've never seen such a big heal before, I was really surprised and thought I'd pop up and discuss this on these forums".

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You're wrong.
You know you're wrong.
And now you realize how stupid you've made yourself look.

So now you're getting "angry" about it and lashing out at me.

First off, I'm not wrong. Second, I'm not angry about that, I'm angry about elitist pricks like yourself teaching unknown people about how to play a simple class even though you have no idea who I am. Which brings me to:

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I have no idea what you think you saw, nor what you think you know about Druids.  You can either learn from my information or ignore it.  I don't really care.

And now AGAIN, first off, you are really trying to twist this around by coming up with some bullshit that's irrelevant. I'm not learning a shit from your information, because you are bringing up such laughable arguements saying "You're wrong", it's just getting ridiculous.

I've never asked for anyone to teach me about this class, because quite frankly, I don't need education about druids. I know enough about the game to press the freaking "COMBAT LOG" -> "WHAT HAPPENED TO ME?". And there's nothing you can do to prove me wrong about this. And if you're going to turn this around AGAIN on me, saying "You can't prove it happened" or some bullshit like that, remember that I've said I will.

So please, stop arguing against facts, this is what I said on my first post to you. You have no idea how my friend has gemmed, what kind of gear he has, how he is specced, or how good he is. So if you kindly just shut your yapper for me and wait until I post the screenshot (whenever he comes online), then we can continue to discuss this.

EDIT:

Friend came online now, however, the 35k are no longer in place since they nerfed that according to him. Max was 27k without treeform / buffs this time.

http://img209.imageshack.us/i/wowscrnsh … 01848.jpg/

http://img832.imageshack.us/i/wowscrnsh … 02232.jpg/

Lifebloom 21k crit is still pretty good.

#1350779 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2010-11-19 01:36:20 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Wow, this is one heated discussion going on here.
Btw, the best healer is the warrior, everyone knows that. derp derp

also, get one of these:
http://warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=167991

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#1350790 by ViiksneDonor (TB's SC2 Wizard) at 2010-11-19 02:58:25 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Snuffsis wrote:

Wow, this is one heated discussion going on here.
Btw, the best healer is the warrior, everyone knows that. derp derp

also, get one of these:
http://warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=167991

I lol'd

nuff said

#1350989 by deathadder (Power User) at 2010-11-19 21:28:55 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

GettoSmurF wrote:

malavoglia wrote:

i think cata dungeons give way more JP than current ones, or so i was told

Honor and other points are usually reset when an expansion hit's the shelves anyways.
Not saying that is the case this time but it seems likely.

It's been stated in a blue post they won't be reset but the hard cap of 4k will be enforced (i think it already has)
http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/09/14/major … y-changes/

There is another blue post on it but i can't seem to find it atm and while that doesn't state about reset it does imply that 4k will carry over to cata.

Edit: Honor didn't reset when wrath was released either if i remember correctly.

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#1350997 by unknown[397565] at 2010-11-19 21:38:37 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Honor ad JP's will not be reset.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/

#1351035 by YinchieDonor (Power User) at 2010-11-19 23:17:55 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

There is no reset, blizzard added a soft cap of 4000 JP so people won't be able to farm them nonstop.

#1351935 by unknown[392748] at 2010-11-22 17:22:58 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

4000jp a week eh?

#1352056 by Deatin (User) at 2010-11-22 21:40:07 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Krabs92 wrote:

4000jp a week eh?

no, period

Unless you spend them as you get them. But there's no point in spending JP right now unless you are at the cap and want to do more heroics.

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#1352137 by unknown[329797] at 2010-11-23 00:19:35 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

Deatin wrote:

Krabs92 wrote:

4000jp a week eh?

no, period

Unless you spend them as you get them. But there's no point in spending JP right now unless you are at the cap and want to do more heroics.

Sad story though, I've got 226 gear from pre-ToC times since I wanted to do Herald of the Titans. Now it turns out we've got a group together, but lacking a tank, so I'm forced to farm for around 4700 JPs to get a full set of 213 / 226 tanking gear. Did this for around 5 hours of pure heroics, managed to get around 2500.. My mind has melted, it's just SO BORING.

#1352163 by unknown[397565] at 2010-11-23 01:43:50 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

so 4.0.3a this week...new race classes combination (no worgen etc yet), no more portals in Dalaran...and the shattering of the world, so already many changes (many left out though), client is updating...

#1352169 by GettoSmurF (User) at 2010-11-23 01:57:45 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

malavoglia wrote:

so 4.0.3a this week...new race classes combination (no worgen etc yet), no more portals in Dalaran...and the shattering of the world, so already many changes (many left out though), client is updating...

So the old world is no more after this patch and all areas are reworked?
I thought that would come with the launch of the expansion.

#1352171 by unknown[397565] at 2010-11-23 02:04:22 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]Top

shattering is this week

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