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#1338735 by liestolz (Power User) at 2010-10-11 16:18:03 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Not sure, I'm Banjokari

#1338786 by Viiksne Donor

(TB's SC2 Wizard) at 2010-10-11 19:32:23 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Thinkin of movin to Stormscale EU Alliance, any1 there?

#1338828 by Akro (Power User) at 2010-10-11 22:07:16 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

There's always this warrior who decides to charge the gaseous bloat when he gets targeted. Buhu...

#1338860 by Inspirator (Power User) at 2010-10-12 00:45:59 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Anyone getting cataclysm 7 december ? And what char are you making? I haven't played for like a year but i'm gonna get it and I'll make a horde hunter and alliance mage :-)

#1338861 by Inspirator (Power User) at 2010-10-12 00:45:59 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Anyone getting cataclysm 7 december ? And what char are you making? I haven't played for like a year but i'm gonna get it and I'll make a horde hunter and alliance mage :-)

#1338871 by Spaderace (Power User) at 2010-10-12 01:10:21 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Same, have not played for almost a year and will start right up when 4.0.3. drops.

Going to roll a Dwarf Paladin and spec him prot right from the bat. New server and everything, have some friends playing there and hopefully we'll create a nice little 10-m raiding guild and pwn =)

#1338909 by unknown[397565] at 2010-10-12 07:44:15 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

isn the v4 patch this week?

already all cata changes, new trees, stats, new gui and lots more changes... just not the expansion itself yet, but there is already new stuff added like earthquakes, new quests in preparation of cata and more.

edit:
in fact it goes live tonight

#1339056 by Akro (Power User) at 2010-10-12 17:41:14 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I'm very unsure what way to go with my mage. Either fire or arcane obviously. Any mages here that has any input? Been reading up on elitistjerks, and I can't make out what seems to be the strongest way to go.

#1339067 by sauriel (Power User) at 2010-10-12 18:08:40 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

patch goes live tonight

#1339166 by Viiksne Donor

(TB's SC2 Wizard) at 2010-10-12 22:50:39 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

12 hour maintenance in 10 minutes, when we return, we got a lot of stuff to look at ;P

#1339167 by Akro (Power User) at 2010-10-12 23:01:55 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Holy fuck, the server just went apeshit at the tree vendor in Dalaran! :lol:

#1339170 by liestolz (Power User) at 2010-10-12 23:10:42 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Akro wrote:

I have good experiences with Arcane, never really got into Fire. In ICC25m my dps on bosses is anywhere from 8-15k, depending on the boss..but I slack so you could probably get it higher.

#1339184 by Spaderace (Power User) at 2010-10-13 00:08:52 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

liestolz wrote:

Akro wrote:

I have good experiences with Arcane, never really got into Fire. In ICC25m my dps on bosses is anywhere from 8-15k, depending on the boss..but I slack so you could probably get it higher.

Fire is more powerfull in 4.0.1.

#1339194 by Akro (Power User) at 2010-10-13 00:49:56 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Spaderace wrote:

liestolz wrote:

Akro wrote:

I have good experiences with Arcane, never really got into Fire. In ICC25m my dps on bosses is anywhere from 8-15k, depending on the boss..but I slack so you could probably get it higher.

Fire is more powerfull in 4.0.1.

Yeah, I should have specified. I meant after the patch.

Spoke with some other mage-friends on my server, and everyone seems to be convinced that fire will be the strongest, so I'll be rolling around as a fire mage.

I'm quite curious to see if I will be hit-capped tomorrow. Time will show.

#1339256 by Shaamaan Donor

(Power User) at 2010-10-13 10:00:12 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

So... am I the only one playing on a RP server? :blink:

#1339263 by unknown[397565] at 2010-10-13 10:13:12 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Shaamaan wrote:

So... am I the only one playing on a RP server? :blink:

defias brotherhood eu

the patch is taking forever just to install

#1339266 by Shaamaan Donor

(Power User) at 2010-10-13 10:23:28 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

malavoglia wrote:

Shaamaan wrote:

So... am I the only one playing on a RP server? :blink:

defias brotherhood eu

the patch is taking forever just to install

Crap, I'm on Moonglade... :weep:

#1339268 by unknown[397565] at 2010-10-13 10:25:23 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

RP servers usually have their own site where people talk and even RP outside of the server, try there^^

edit:
patch installed, now it's downloading another 1.4gb ...

aw my fgod another year to apply this patch now

#1339294 by Akro (Power User) at 2010-10-13 13:17:20 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

http://cata.wowhead.com/blog=170693#.

Lots of new models for Cata. T11 sets, PvP sets, weapons and some new mobs. Loving the sets. Rogue got a nice turban.

#1339330 by Shaamaan Donor

(Power User) at 2010-10-13 15:55:57 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

malavoglia wrote:

RP servers usually have their own site where people talk and even RP outside of the server, try there^^

Yeah, cos if I want to try and find people from TB specifically to play with, that would be a great place to look. :grumpy:

#1339395 by Palani (Power User) at 2010-10-13 18:23:44 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Used to play on Defias Brotherhood EU, Ex-Hungering Cold reporting in for those in the know-how. If the new patch is any good I might play it a bit.

#1339693 by jonnypeh Donor

(Power User) at 2010-10-14 07:21:19 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I like the new patch, less talents, more compact trees, can spec my dk to tank without having to cap defense, +12kish extra hp. good enough for daily toc runs.

and epic gems cost only 165 honor, sold them all on AH in one evening, guess that was because people were switching their gems due to +hit becoming a blue one and to still get bonuses. $$$PROFIT$$$

e: and new unholy dps is even more awesome.

Last edited by jonnypeh at 2010-10-14 07:21:32

#1339938 by unknown[392748] at 2010-10-14 23:07:14 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

New patch is great, love the new talent trees and abilities.

#1339973 by sauriel (Power User) at 2010-10-15 02:28:18 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Akro wrote:

Spaderace wrote:

liestolz wrote:

Akro wrote:

I have good experiences with Arcane, never really got into Fire. In ICC25m my dps on bosses is anywhere from 8-15k, depending on the boss..but I slack so you could probably get it higher.

Fire is more powerfull in 4.0.1.

Yeah, I should have specified. I meant after the patch.

hate to break it to you but mages are getting the nerf bat, or well the fire spec atleast.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa … &sid=1

''Rather than try and address multiple threads, I'm just going to plop our current thoughts in this one post. Please excuse the brevity.

1) We think Fury, Arms, Feral cat and Retribution dps is too low and we will be buffing them.

2) We think mage dps is too high, especially Fire, and will be nerfing it.

3) We think Shadow priest dps is too high, but that's largely a result of Shadow Word: Death spam, which is tough on healers. We'll be fixing that.

4) We think Destro warlock dps is too high, but that's largely a result of Searing Pain spam, which is tough on tanks. We'll be fixing that.

5) As we suspected, PvP dps is just too high given that the health pools of Cataclysm haven't kicked in yet. While competitive PvP is over for the moment, we still want the environment to feel better so we will be buffing resilience. This change might be reverted at level 85.

There will probably be more changes after another night of raiding and BGs. Many of the bug fixes we have made today will affect dps as well. Stay tuned.''

from ghostcrawler himself, I play a mage too, we do ridiculous amount of damage, it was coming

Last edited by sauriel at 2010-10-15 02:29:01

#1340009 by Shaamaan Donor

(Power User) at 2010-10-15 09:56:29 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I'm not sure I like the changes to the Rogue class.

Let me throw some semi-random thoughts over here. Note, that I've only had a quick glance at the changes; I haven't done any number crunching and I've no idea how things will roll at lvl 85.

First off, I have a feeling not a single rogue talent tree is well defined, at least as far as function goes. Yes, each plays differently, and that is a great plus. But let's do a quick rundown:
a) Assassination / mutilate; the tree used to be on-par with combat (there were some minor moments when one was better than the other or vice-versa, but in PvE both were pretty good), but was also very useful for PvP with some talents from the subtlety tree. Now it's lacking energy regeneration talents, and instead gets a flat bonus to max-energy a rogue can store. This makes me thing it's a burst talent tree; but burst in PvE are only semi-effective (trash is rarely a problem), and seems more fitting for PvP, but in this case, the Assassination tree lacks a lot of the talents from Subtlety to become effective. I DO like the fact that HfB bit the dust, as that wasn't a fun talent. I just hope the numbers add up and the damage bonus is now available from something else. But that's not the only one, of course. Deadly-brew is still there, and now it seems it won't be available to other talent trees.
Oh, and Vendetta, a talent that seems more suited for PvP, considering it's cooldown and "vision of target", yet it's so high up on the list, and seems like it's designed to be a major rogue ability... so, is this tree for PvE or PvP again? Or is Blizzard trying to mix the two together?
b) I wanted to say something about combat, but I'm not a combat rogue, and only used it to level; I have no intention of going back to combat. Still, at first glance it seems to be pretty much the same as it was; a decent PvE talent tree designed around sustained DPS.
c) Subtlety still seems to lack any proper DPS talents on it's own, so using it for PvE seems pointless. Yet HaT is there, so... what the hell is the point? Without burst damage abilities like Mutilate, it also feels it won't do in PvP nearly as well as it should. But I DO note, that I'm not much interested in PvP at all, so meh.

I do hope that with this disconnection between talent trees Blizzard will be able to tweak PvP and PvE DPS independently of each other, therefore putting rogues (leather wearing melee DPSers) right back at the top of the DPS meters without causing a flood of tears from the PvP folk. I also like the fact that you NEED to take some non-DPS filler talents to reach to the top of a talent tree. This means there's some customization for everyone, besides the usual min-maxing specs.

EDIT: I predict that for PvE dagger rogues a 31/1/8 talent will be the cookie cutter however, once lvl 85 is available.

Last edited by Shaamaan at 2010-10-15 10:00:13