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#1317671 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2010-08-14 15:30:03 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Harder to hold threat, harder to keep you alive.

#1318355 by unknown[329797] at 2010-08-16 00:20:55 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

GettoSmurF wrote:

Snuffsis wrote:

All i can say is that even though it's a beta, it's fucking awesome, i love it.
If the tanking is as hard as in the beta, it will be fun, LOTS of fun. <3<3
Also the healing.

(minus the mana regen though.

)

New beta patch, awesome stuff with guild vendors and that.

What have they done to tanking to make it harder?
It doesn't seem like Blizzard to make something harder, seems odd.

Another troll?

Well, let's try to compare Yogg+0 and the complexity of the lich king fight, maybe even Mimiron, before we start the whining about shit being too "casual" for casual people. There is plenty of shit that is the hardest they have ever made in this game at the moment, and the only thing they're changing is bringing back CC.

It's not hard right now to slam your head down on a keyboard, what Blizz is doing is implementing new things. New spells, new talents, new numbers, mastery rating, everything new. Do people expect to be godlike on it instantly? A 5 man probably won't ever be as hard in Cata as Yogg+0 still is right now, but innovation and design =/= difficulty.

I'd like to see a Vanilla player that quit before TBC to try to read up on tactics to Mimiron Hard Mode, make an attempt and succeed.

So to conclude that BS about "Blizzard making things harder seems odd", yes, every new raid you are raiding harder things then you've ever done. You are evolving and developing better experience, it's not easy to cater to people who can do things in their sleep after doing it 100 times. Bosses evolve just like we do, they have to, that's why this game is still running.

#1318391 by sansibar Donor

(Power User) at 2010-08-16 01:49:38 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I was really looking forward to Cataclysm but after playing the Beta I'm not so sure anymore.
I've stopped playing in April (various reasons) after playing for about 2 years in a world top 50 guild so I was mainly focused on raiding only but some of the announced changes sounded pretty interesting.

So far the Beta is in a horrible state, I know it's a only a Beta ... but considering the timeline and the changes which still need to be done I'm skeptical. Many classes are still a huge mess, Vashir or whatever the leveling zone is called is utter shit (swimming/floating around ... try pvp there, you never know from where you are attacked, quests are simply boring get this, kill that), the dungeons so far are way too easy (you need to use cc, wow what a tremendously difficult task) and the overall bugs with phasing quests are horrible.

Well ... I'm gonna wait another month or so and start then again, cause right now it's more or less an alpha and testing something like that should be payed.

#1318465 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2010-08-16 12:16:18 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Kpoof wrote:

GettoSmurF wrote:

Snuffsis wrote:

All i can say is that even though it's a beta, it's fucking awesome, i love it.
If the tanking is as hard as in the beta, it will be fun, LOTS of fun. <3<3
Also the healing.

(minus the mana regen though.

)

New beta patch, awesome stuff with guild vendors and that.

What have they done to tanking to make it harder?
It doesn't seem like Blizzard to make something harder, seems odd.

Tactics have never been hard, and it's way to easy to tank and heal in Wrath of the lich king.
So, like i said, they're making it ALOT harder by making healing harder, you have to think of your mana now, you're gonna want to prioritze what heal to cast and so on.
And for tanks you are going to want to be good at holding aggro, because otherwise you are gonna lose threat to dps and they're gonna get raped.
So yea, it's alot harder, even in 5 mans, than lich king and yogg +0 because it's hard to keep the tanks and dps alive and it's hard for the tank to hold aggro.

I've tried both, both tanked and healing on lich king and yogg, and compared to the new dungeons in cata, i think cata is going to be alot harder. The only reason healing is easy atm is because of the insanely bugged mana regen, i have about 2500 mp5 while casting.

Edit @Sansibar.
It's a Closed Beta, it's very early in it's testing phase and blizzard is working fast with fixes, it's not your average studio with 50 people on it. They have about 200-300 people working on fixing the bugs that gets reported everyday. And they've only said that they WISH to release it this year, if it's not ready it simply won't be. I however think it will be, because every patch is huge and bring alot of fixes (and some new bugs) so i don't see that having it ready by christmas is gonna be a problem.

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#1318476 by DjStorm (Power User) at 2010-08-16 12:45:30 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Tactics are never hard since it`s all scripted and you basically have to learn the order in which abilities come. Execution is the hard part, especially with so many morons playing the game. And if you`re telling me healing is easy in Wrath, I`m guessing you didn`t do Ulduar Hard Modes. Mimiron, I`m looking at you.

That being said, I`m happy about the return of CC. Heroic Mech was the best dungeon ever. But I`m afraid for all of those who started playin in Wrath, they`ll scream left and right that the game is too hard.

#1318483 by unknown[329797] at 2010-08-16 13:08:43 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Snuffsis wrote:

Sigh.. I'll just hold on to the "You haven't tried the hardest parts of WotLK" card in that case, because obviously you haven't.

Maybe you could try tanking with a Shadowmourne-wielding warrior cleaving your way through an encounter and keep aggro, because you wouldn't ever succeed without tricks & MD. Try keeping aggro towards a Frost DK burning 30k crits on howling blast without the threat reducing talent.

Oh right, I heard they are removing Misdirect and Tricks in cata, am I right? .... sigh

Healing isn't a joke, yes, mana is alot of regeneration, I end up with 95% mana on Marrowgar 25 man for example. How much would you end up after 20 minutes / 103,5 million HP on LK25 heroic? I think you'd need to use alot of mana tides, innervates and probably hymn of hopes, along with potions to be able to clear that. Healing isn't hard, and I doubt that Blizzard intend to make it "harder" for those who know their class. And I really don't know which class you are playing that has 2500 mp5 while casting, because there's no such class. If you would have 2500 mp5 while casting you would basically drink and cast at the same time, which is bullshit.

So yes, I really doubt that you are the best player in this game having 2500 mp5 while casting and can soloheal everything because it's so easy. Healing and tanking isn't easy on the hard encounters, that's why there are hard encounters.

Blizzard intended for as many people as possible to see the game content, and I'm happy for that to be honest. That's why they made it "easy" for the beginners to step into the high content as fast as possible, but that's why there are heroic mode, right? For real players that don't have 2500 mp5 while casting, because it's really damn hard. Let me guess, it's okay for you when the other healer dies on PP10 heroic, so you'll just soloheal everything with that mp5?

I barely made it alone in phase 3 on heroic on my shaman, keeping two tanks up, the raid and the people with unbound plague? Right, you'll just pwn right through that with your 2500 mp5.

#1318484 by GettoSmurF (User) at 2010-08-16 13:10:07 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Kpoof wrote:

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed, it was a joke, since let's be honest Blizzard has a tendency to dumb shit down

What I mean is with each patch they make things that people find difficult easier, you don't often see them making things harder, I'm not talking about adding new harder instances I'm talking about changing things that are already there.
Let's say a boss fight, how often do they make them harder than they are when released?
Anyway it was a joke, maybe I should have used a smiley or two

And to them adding CC back into the game I think it's nice, but there is always the times you have might have to pug the instance and you find yourself surrounded by complete spastics who can't find the sheep button and you wipe, they start yelling and leave and you have to spend time getting a new group.
Guess it's back to 5man with guildies

Kpoof wrote:

So yes, I really doubt that you are the best player in this game having 2500 mp5 while casting and can soloheal everything because it's so easy

He is talking about beta, it's bugged.

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#1321573 by slacker4life (Power User) at 2010-08-25 00:20:36 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

whats the best mod to track your gold expenses and earnings?

like bloat free, not auctioneer type mod.

#1321626 by Snuffsis (Power User) at 2010-08-25 05:58:54 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

slacker4life wrote:

whats the best mod to track your gold expenses and earnings?

like bloat free, not auctioneer type mod.

Alot of them around, best one i found was this.
http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/i … neyFu.html
But you need FuBar for that one.

And then this one, but not sure how good it is.

http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/i … Money.html

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#1323158 by Chill (Power User) at 2010-08-29 03:15:47 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Hm just got this email. Usually these mailsgotothe trash/spam but this got into my real inbox. So should I change my password?

Quote:

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#1323194 by DjStorm (Power User) at 2010-08-29 09:26:41 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

It`s a phishing mail. Don`t click. You can easily spot this just by looking at the URLs... EU.battle.net and then US.blizzard.com.

#1323251 by fx2050 Donor

(Power User) at 2010-08-29 12:55:17 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Chill wrote:

Hm just got this email. Usually these mailsgotothe trash/spam but this got into my real inbox. So should I change my password?

Quote:

i get them daily and i not used the account in 3 years

recent got back on battlenet for starcraft 2 and get loads mails and many concerning actiuvate product key and change password

as with Anything online in life, never change a password etc when asked, why would they ask you to?

like a bank asking you to etc

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#1324007 by unknown[392748] at 2010-08-31 19:56:31 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Long thread is long >_>

#1329338 by pimpNeasy007 Donor

(Staff) at 2010-09-14 20:44:12 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

unlocked

#1329348 by Shaamaan Donor

(Power User) at 2010-09-14 20:55:44 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I was wondering if someone could tell me about the major things that may have changed since last I played. Mostly because I cannot make up my mind if I should really go back or not...

BTW, I apologise for any gaps in the zone or boss names, but my memory's a bit fuzzy on the subject.

I know, I know... I could always just read the patch notes, but I'd like to know about the functional changes, you know, the ones that actually matter, not the "bunnies now have longer ears" changes. Ones that severely impact gameplay or social interactions.

I left the game with a lvl 70 warlock and a lvl 80 rogue (rogue being my main at the time, obviously), with the Northrend Naxx being the raid people were doing the most at the time. I've managed to get some pretty good gear from Northrend heroics and / or marks that come from these heroics, as well as got some dagger from Naxx, 2 pieces of armour from that Stone Keeper PVP instance... and a Librarians Paper Cutter (which was the fastest dagger at the time, despite being blue, and worked really well with poisons for rogues)... or perhaps I replaced that dagger with something else... crap, I don't remember. :nugget:

Is anyone aware of any significant changes to the rogue class (I was Mutilate, BTW)? I suspect my gear will be somewhat outdated, but it shouldn't be THAT bad for non-heroic raids or 5-man heroics, right? I poked around the EU WoW forums for a bit, and found that people consider rogues difficult to level, which is definitely news to me; I know those forums are a steady stream of whine worthy of Dionysus, but I definitely don't remember hearing such complaints last time I checked.

I don't know if this would be relevant, but I played on a RP server (and if I do play again, I don't plan on changing this).

Any information is appreciated, especially before I make up my mind and put the money on the table.

#1329387 by GettoSmurF (User) at 2010-09-14 21:50:43 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I haven't played for a while myself but what springs to mind is Dual-Spec that wasn't available in Naxx I think, along with that you can put in new glyphs anywhere not just by the flying book things.

You have to have a Battle.net account to log in, and you can have the RealID function enabled if you like to be shown by your real name by friends and to see your friends' real names.

I haven't played rogue for even longer so can't really speak on that subject but what I can say is that your Naxx level gear is straight out rubbish as they are at around 213 itemlevel (of course if you have a clue you can make rubbish gear work) and Heroic 25-man items are 277 so as you can see the gap is quite large but it's easy to upgrade it in the newer 5-man heroics which give ilvl 232 loot to get into raids.
There is a axe (the rogues can use axes change might have come after Naxx, I can't remember

),dagger and 1-mace that you can get as weapons in these 5-man dungeons.

#1329408 by LiquidAir (Power User) at 2010-09-14 22:18:01 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Long story short, don't worry about it till Cata. Why? Because alot of the classes are being re specced and tweaked, the gear will be out of date etc. I'd just chill out and wait till Cata or just casually raid or pvp whatever your preference is.

I'm still debating whats better to pvp with atm. I keep switching between my Warlock and Hunter. Hmm. I think arena Lock is much better and more viable but the Hunter is fun in bg's too

#1329533 by Shaamaan Donor

(Power User) at 2010-09-15 07:51:21 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

LiquidAir wrote:

I'm still debating whats better to pvp with atm. I keep switching between my Warlock and Hunter. Hmm. I think arena Lock is much better and more viable but the Hunter is fun in bg's too

This is the reason I don't like PvP...

If I want RPG PVP, I'll go play Guild Wars, as I think NO ONE did this better.

In WoW I just want PvE balance, which is STILL somewhat fucked, with hybrid classes stealing the show, especially since, if I remember correctly, the raids consisted of a LOT of AOE sections, where rogues just don't shine (unless they're REALLY short, in which rogues own the meters).

But all of that isn't as important. I'm pretty sure there is more to it? A friend of mine told me about something called GIL score? My first thought was "wow, FF7 in WoW?", but I guess this is some kind of numerical description of how well you're doing, yes?

And I'd still like to know what's hot and what's not in rogue trends. Chances are, I'll probably have all my talents reset anyway, so it'd be nice to know what to aim for. Is Mutilate still a valid PvE raiding spec, or did combat replace it? And so forth...

#1329556 by Ebolauk Donor

(Power User) at 2010-09-15 09:48:27 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Shaamaan wrote:

LiquidAir wrote:

I'm still debating whats better to pvp with atm. I keep switching between my Warlock and Hunter. Hmm. I think arena Lock is much better and more viable but the Hunter is fun in bg's too

This is the reason I don't like PvP...

Rogue have reasonable dps, its as much about stacking the right stats (hit/expertise etc) as well as getting the right talents for the situtation. Dual spec makes having a pvp/pve option much more viable than respeccing.

When u said "GiL Score" i wonder if that person meant Gearscore, which is a addon that just rates the gear u have on at a glance and gives it a score (top end stuff would put u at 6500+ atm, with fresh 80s probably having 3000), but the problem is it dosent allow for pvp gear not being as good in PVE etc and certianly dosent allow for someone beign setup or skilled versus an auto attacker, also it has made people ask for people with gear WAY over what the instance/raid requires just so they can be lazy.

Get your rogue onto a pvp server for when your bored and just want to gank

Just play casually and google some recent information on the class, its all out there and get warmed up for the new expansion when it comes (stil not confirmed ??).

#1329563 by Shaamaan Donor

(Power User) at 2010-09-15 10:22:54 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Are you kidding me? I do NOT want to spend 25 EUR on a character transfer to a PVP server just to gank some people... Seriously... :closedeyes:

Oh, and yeah, it could have been Gearscore. I was talking over the phone, and his English isn't top notch. :nugget:

Finally... dual spec? That's also news for me... I'm guessing this lets you have two talent trees saved? Does switching cost anything or does it have any prerequisites?

#1329574 by LiquidAir (Power User) at 2010-09-15 10:45:13 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Shaamaan wrote:

LiquidAir wrote:

I'm still debating whats better to pvp with atm. I keep switching between my Warlock and Hunter. Hmm. I think arena Lock is much better and more viable but the Hunter is fun in bg's too

This is the reason I don't like PvP...

If I want RPG PVP, I'll go play Guild Wars, as I think NO ONE did this better.

What are you talking about? I was talking about PVP in "battlegrounds" and "arena".

If you want to be on a PVP server like GW, then you can do that too.

#1329592 by Shaamaan Donor

(Power User) at 2010-09-15 12:02:43 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

LiquidAir wrote:

Shaamaan wrote:

LiquidAir wrote:

I'm still debating whats better to pvp with atm. I keep switching between my Warlock and Hunter. Hmm. I think arena Lock is much better and more viable but the Hunter is fun in bg's too

This is the reason I don't like PvP...

If I want RPG PVP, I'll go play Guild Wars, as I think NO ONE did this better.

What are you talking about? I was talking about PVP in "battlegrounds" and "arena".

If you want to be on a PVP server like GW, then you can do that too.

Actually, GW doesn't have a PVP server as such, and it ONLY has "battlegrounds" and "arenas", as far as PvP is concerned. Point is, it's balanced a lot better than WoW ever was and ever will be.

Sure, I occasionally poked my head into battlegrounds when I was completely bored, but I didn't make a habit out of it, and I've never played in arenas, on account of not having a team and a serious case of cannot-be-arsed. Most fun was ganking poor alliance players in that eastern Northrend zone which has those PvP quests in it (forgot the name), but the novelty of that runs out quick.

...I did once go with another friendly rogue to kill unsuspecting people in Stormwind, which was a lot of fun. And since now I have the Christmas remote controlled rocket or whatever it's called, it's a great way to make noobs enter PvP mode (unless Blizz changed it or something), so that's certainly something I should try again... :evil:

And I don't plan on moving to a PvP server, definitely. I don't have the money for char transfers. A service that could very well be free is so incredibly inflated in price, it's not even funny.

#1329618 by unknown[397565] at 2010-09-15 13:02:21 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Shaamaan wrote:

Finally... dual spec? That's also news for me... I'm guessing this lets you have two talent trees saved? Does switching cost anything or does it have any prerequisites?

isn't it possible to dual spec already? costs like 1k

i think the difference in cata is that you can't go hybrid anymore, you chose a tree and that's all you use...but dual specing will cost much less like 50g or something

#1329629 by GettoSmurF (User) at 2010-09-15 13:33:23 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Shaamaan wrote:

Are you kidding me? I do NOT want to spend 25 EUR on a character transfer to a PVP server just to gank some people... Seriously... :closedeyes:

Oh, and yeah, it could have been Gearscore. I was talking over the phone, and his English isn't top notch. :nugget:

Finally... dual spec? That's also news for me... I'm guessing this lets you have two talent trees saved? Does switching cost anything or does it have any prerequisites?

Yes there is Dual-Spec where you can have two saved talent trees and two sets of glyphs saved it takes a few seconds to switch and can not be done in BGs or in combat.
Also last time I checked rogues topped AoE dps with Fan of Knives, which might actually have come after you left, feral druids also have a top notch AoE swipe these days.

#1330752 by Shaamaan Donor

(Power User) at 2010-09-17 21:44:31 (2 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

OMG! Lads, check out the PTR; I think it's Cataclysm! :w00t:

EDIT: Either that, or Blizz is just using the new loader and making a fool of us all. :-/

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