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#1225433 by qbert95 (Power User) at 2010-01-10 01:05:44 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Im having a weird problem with Firefox the last few days with it remaining running in processes after I close it forcing me to launch task manager to manually close it. I even went as far as to do a fresh install and delete my profile folder, but the problem remains. I just wished opera or chrome had 'noscript' cause id switch in a heartbeat.

Last edited by qbert95 at 2010-01-10 01:39:07

#1225442 by gozil (Power User) at 2010-01-10 01:26:21 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Yinchie wrote:

"What's with all the "we can't use CSS3" comments on Nettuts+? Of course you can!"
"@danaseverance Sure, you can do that. But it's not a big deal if rounded corners default to square, or a 2 column paragraph defaults to 1."
"Exactly. RT @badgerthat: @NETTUTS totally agree, it's like saying "Dont' make HD films because not everyone has an HD TV". #css3"
"Rounded corners scale down nicely to square. A font shadow scales down nicely to just the font. @kenbarroll"

The only major FAIL browser that does not support CSS3 is as expected Microsoft Internet Explorer, they promise it will be in IE9, but I highly doubt it will even work correctly.

Nettuts+ is correct, you can't use design features thats not supported my all the browsers (by all the browsers I'm referring to IE), do you want 30 % of your visitors to get a fucked up site? No you don't and I doubt your clients wants that either (if your a web consultant).

If I'm not wrong the most wanted features in CSS3 is the way you select elements such as:
a:not(s)
div~img
...

#1225551 by Yinchie Donor

(Power User) at 2010-01-10 11:07:35 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Actually you are reading it wrong.
Nettuts+ is saying you should use it, just because some users don't use non-IE browsers doesn't mean you shouldn't use CSS3, it is like saying don't make HD movies when not everyone has HD tv's.

And even if browsers doesn't support it yet like IE, it will still look good, it falls back.

Obviously you don't make websites so you actually don't really know the difference.

http://www.css3.info/

If you actually visit those well designed websites, you will notice majority of them make heavy use of CSS3.
Even websites like Digg.com uses CSS3.

More and more webdevelopers don't care much about IE anymore.
They just make use of universal css and js to fix those IE bugs that never gets fixed.

http://code.google.com/p/universal-ie6-css/
http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/
http://www.curvycorners.net/

IE even broke something that worked in IE7 and not IE8.
Microsoft promised that CSS3 will be fully supported in IE9 but I highly doubt that.

Last edited by Yinchie at 2010-01-10 11:32:05

#1225562 by gozil (Power User) at 2010-01-10 11:50:35 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Yinchie wrote:

Yeah I read it wrong, but the comments on nettuts+ is correct and well I'm a web developer or a web consultant if you prefer that term.

Being ignorant like you are doesn't work in the world of business, but it probably works fine on your own small projects.

Its one thing to use rounded corners if your too lazy to actually implement a sprite and divide the image for each corner with css but to use all the features available for CSS3 is just plain ignorance and laziness.

PS:

Do you think css3.info looks good, even though the are so great they cant even follow strict xhtml nor do they score good with the YSlow test.

#1225563 by Yinchie Donor

(Power User) at 2010-01-10 11:59:21 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I'm a web developer as well.
And i am not being ignorant.

Majority of the browsers support CSS3 except IE, simply doesn't mean you shouldn't use it, like I said it falls back nicely.

More and more people these days are turning their back to IE.
Just because they have most of the market doesn't mean you should make sites for it.
The only reason they have majority of the market is because most companies use IE as default and pre-installed.

Not using CSS3 and moving forward is being ignorant like you, it is like you rather prefer living in the past rather than the future. Than might as well say no to HD movies and go back to SD as a example.

Also I linked css3info to show a site with CSS3 info. not to show how good the site is.

Every decent webdeveloper should keep themself up to date unlike some I know that still use dreamweaver in what you see is what you get mode.

Also you mention YSlow about css3.info.
You know why it scores lower? Simply because they don't have expires headers and compression of data, ETAGS, basically stuff that has to do with caching etc.
Which has nothing to do with CSS3 and design.
Guess they were just lazy editing a .htaccess file.

And according to google page speed, their score is 78/100

Quote:

#compress
AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE text/plain
AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE text/xml
AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE application/xhtml+xml
AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE text/css
AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE application/xml
AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE image/svg+xml
AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE application/rss+xml
AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE application/atom_xml
AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE application/x-javascript
AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE application/x-httpd-php
AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE application/x-httpd-fastphp
AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE application/x-httpd-eruby
AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE text/html

#set expires headers to images, javascript and css.
ExpiresActive On
#ExpiresByType image/gif A2592000
#ExpiresByType image/png A2592000
#ExpiresByType image/jpg A2592000
#ExpiresByType image/jpeg A2592000
#ExpiresByType application/x-javascript A2592000
#ExpiresByType text/css A2592000

<FilesMatch "\.(ico|pdf|flv|jpg|jpeg|png|gif|js|css|swf)$">
Header set Cache-Control "public"
Header set Expires "Thu, 15 Apr 2011 20:00:00 GMT"
</FilesMatch>

#Remove ETags
Header unset ETag
FileETag None

Last edited by Yinchie at 2010-01-10 12:10:44

#1225572 by gozil (Power User) at 2010-01-10 12:25:54 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Yinchie wrote:

You know why it scores lower? Simply because they don't have expires headers and compression of data, ETAGS, basically stuff that has to do with caching etc.
Which has nothing to do with CSS3 and design.

They also make a lot of unnecessary HTTP calls instead of combining the images like this:
digg.com
youtube.com

Anyways.. its up to each developer if they want to use CSS3 or not but I'm waiting for it to get supported by Internet Explorer as they have to biggest market, most of the things you can do in css3 can be done with workarounds like images and by adding extra classes to the elements.

#1226708 by Yinchie Donor

(Power User) at 2010-01-12 23:16:44 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Images and extra classes etc = wasted.
more HTTP calls etc.

Internet Explorer is simply FAIL in every way.

http://perishablepress.com/press/2010/0 … rt-design/

WITH CSS and even with CSS3 is do more with less code and save bandwidth etc.

Quote:

The benefits of using the CSS technique over the image-based method include:

Requires less bandwidth usage
Reduces number of HTTP requests
Requires fewer server resources
Less time required to implement
Safeguards against browser updates
Creates a more flexibile site design

Anyways no point talking to you, you obviously don't follow the standards.
Just keep saying IE has biggest market so they win, obviously they don't, ask any decent webdeveloper/designer.

http://www.pvmgarage.com/en/2010/01/how … sing-css3/

Last edited by Yinchie at 2010-01-12 23:17:38

#1227687 by pimpNeasy007 Donor

(Wat It Do???Staff) at 2010-01-14 23:21:39 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

I just wished opera or chrome had 'noscript' cause id switch in a heartbeat.

I made the switch. It took me a little while to get used to Chrome. But after reading all the Help files and articles on it, I made the switch and have not looked back.

#1227688 by lordchawk Donor

(Power User) at 2010-01-14 23:29:40 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

qbert95 wrote:

I just wished opera or chrome had 'noscript' cause id switch in a heartbeat.

In opera you can disable Java+ javascript in tools> quick preferences and then enable them for trusted sites- right click>edit site preferences

#1227690 by ConsoleKing Donor

(Power User) at 2010-01-14 23:33:37 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

FireFox to Chrome as FF was starting to feel heavy.

Chrome seems to have themes and addons since I last used it, transferred all settings from FF and I also haven't looked back. I also love the incognito mode!

#1228279 by gozil (Power User) at 2010-01-16 12:07:08 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Yinchie wrote:

You only reduce the number of HTTP requests if you don't use icon or small images on your site, otherwise you just combine all the images like I just said and thats exactly how the big players is doing things.

Yinchie wrote:

Anyways no point talking to you, you obviously don't follow the standards.

Whats makes you say that? I follow the standards to the book but I still think that cross-browser compatibility is more important than using CSS3.

I would love to be able to use CSS3 as it simplify things but its not really an option to take full advantage of all the pseudo selectors and features right now.

#1231060 by Yinchie Donor

(Power User) at 2010-01-23 09:55:10 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

IE is foobar nowadays.
Several countries already warning people to stop using it.

And major sites like Youtube are now trying out HTML5 which as expected not compatible on IE browsers.
IE simply halts the progress of LIFE.

People that still design for IE as their priority are ppl who are foolish tbh, your first objective as a designer is to design for better browsers, not for old browsers.
Afterwards you can always code in backups like specific IE stylesheets or hacks or use universal IE CSS/JS.

IE is simply fail in every way, pure fact, when it comes to web standards.
Nothing what you will say will change that gozil.
Ask any decent web designer and or developer, they all know it.

5 Positive consequences of the recent IE security hole:
- Finally IE6 made totally obsolete.
- Governments alert people about IE security and advices to use other browsers instead.
- Normal users finally sees the security risks of IE.
- Good for the browser market.
- Positive for the web developers, saves their time and money.
- Pushes Microsoft hard to work on their browser.

Last edited by Yinchie at 2010-01-23 10:38:08

#1232235 by gozil (Power User) at 2010-01-26 02:25:10 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Google Chrome 4 just got released, its amazing how fast you can install the add-ons you don't even have to close the browser.

#1233105 by pimpNeasy007 Donor

(Wat It Do???Staff) at 2010-01-28 02:22:57 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Google Chrome Question:

Can you right click and get properties of a picture?

There are a lot of shortcuts that I have noticed that FF has and Chrome does not.

#1233547 by unknown[172158] at 2010-01-29 00:03:47 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

You gotta go to 'Inspect Element' - you'll see the images direct link/dimensions (it will be the one highlighted), but you wont be able to see it's size like in FF

#1239091 by mountjoy (User) at 2010-02-10 23:59:08 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Still Juggling between browsers namely, In order of Usage

Chromium - Y? Supports roboform unlike Chrome
Chromeplus - Y? Supports Chrome Extension unlike Chromium
CometBird - Y? Fast and uses less memory unlike Firefox
Theworld -Y? Fast very light & mobile Unlike The others including Extensions
Chrome - Y? Suppports download access to the Chrome Extension page Unlike Chromium and Chromeplus

#1242759 by unknown[24504] at 2010-02-20 13:56:59 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I finally dropped firefox, tired of 800 MB ram usage and laggy flash videos.

#1242785 by unknown[172158] at 2010-02-20 16:50:53 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

porrnisse wrote:

I finally dropped firefox, tired of 800 MB ram usage and laggy flash videos.

Yeah I'm sure it was Firefox's fault :rolleyes:

#1242855 by pimpNeasy007 Donor

(Wat It Do???Staff) at 2010-02-21 04:26:43 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I was using FF the other day and it crashed 4 times in a row. Not including whenever I leave the pc sitting, it crashes and restarts FF. I went back down to 3.5 and it was okay. But I removed it completely and now use Chrome. The one thing that annoys me about Chrome is not being able to get image properties. But overall its a much more stable app than FF.

edit: If Mozilla ever gets their shit together, I'll go back. And I had 800 and 900 mem usage days... But no more. ;-)

Last edited by pimpNeasy007 at 2010-02-21 04:27:44

#1242881 by Shaamaan Donor

(Power User) at 2010-02-21 10:24:13 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Hmm... I rarely have FF crash, if ever.

The new Opera looks promising, but that needs to be ironed out, as I could feel it's still beta. But "promising" is one thing... I still prefer FF for some reason.

#1242886 by jameswhe03 (Worldly) at 2010-02-21 10:59:43 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Mac I use safari still; uses less RAM etc and feels more responsive for, well, everything. i also dig the look.

For windows I use FF because I really don't see any competition even for it yet. It's a good solid browser with constant updates and has tweaks available. Opera, IMO, is a horrible browser that struggles with many sites out there and seems to be all round a bit of a niche thing. I also really dislike it's font rendering strangely enough. My second choice to firefox would be Chrome, but I still think it feels like a kids toy and doesnt have the full reliability of FF

edit: i also dont experience browser crashes ever really - includes FF and Safari

Last edited by jameswhe03 at 2010-02-21 11:00:23

#1243358 by elrey7

(User) at 2010-02-22 09:08:16 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Using chrome here after a 2 year period with Opera. Liking it very much! Fast and simple.

#1248911 by lordchawk Donor

(Power User) at 2010-03-03 23:49:32 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

Opera 10.50 is out
http://www.opera.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_mU7lkE-sA
The default theme is chrome like ...not a fan of it. Everything else is pretty slick however.

Last edited by lordchawk at 2010-03-03 23:52:40

#1257550 by I (Power User) at 2010-03-22 17:54:36 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

I noticed that in the new version of FF (3.6), when I right click on a picture, it doesn't have Properties option anymore (afaik it was there in the old versions)

Did they really remove it? or I'm just hallucinating? cos I need it so bad, I usually use it to know the dimensions and url of any pic

#1257767 by ades03row Donor

(Power User) at 2010-03-23 02:10:08 (3 years ago) - [Quote] - [Report]

i have changed to chrome because firefox just kept freezing with me so i decided it was time for a change i also like the look of safari but from what i know of both the security of them wasnt great in the old versions has this changed in the newer ones?

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