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(Power User) at 2008-04-20 22:17:53 (5 years ago) - [Report]

ConsoleKing wrote:

The TRUE Black 120 looks nice but what's the point in it.

It's the same design as the old TRUE but the have just made it black, would have preferred they made a new heatsink so I can upgrade and drop those temps a little bit more.

Looking around for news on a new heatsink from them but can't find anything. Alot of people going over to water to drop the temps further.

Well you know at some point, they reach a peak, and the heatsink doesn't get any better.
There's only so much they can improve.

#933424 by unknown[211441] at 2008-04-21 15:22:09 (5 years ago) - [Report]

http://www.pcsuppliesuk.net/productdeta … ode=237340

Anyone know what these will clock like..

INTEL CORE 2 QUAD Q9300 1333FSB =Ł222.88 Inc Vat

or is the Q6600 better its time for me to go quad,this e4400 is holding me back quite alot even clocked at 3.33ghz....

#933482 by Xi0nic Donor

(Power User) at 2008-04-21 17:20:17 (5 years ago) - [Report]

Like shit, Q9300 has 7x or 7.5x multi.

#937889 by Kakkaman Donor

(Power User) at 2008-04-30 13:33:41 (5 years ago) - [Report]

At what temp does the CPU start taking damage? 75 C? 85 C?
Just wondering how much i can overclock my CPU.

#937892 by fx2050 Donor

(Power User) at 2008-04-30 13:42:42 (5 years ago) - [Report]

more like over 100 but there is no set amount, depends on your config etc

#937900 by demagh (User) at 2008-04-30 13:56:26 (5 years ago) - [Report]

Kakkaman wrote:

At what temp does the CPU start taking damage? 75 C? 85 C?
Just wondering how much i can overclock my CPU.

75c measured from the center of the surface of the heat spreader.

That's for the Quad core Q6600 SLACR "G0" revision.

Last edited by demagh at 2008-04-30 13:56:37

#937954 by Kakkaman Donor

(Power User) at 2008-04-30 16:38:08 (5 years ago) - [Report]

hah. like i got that kind of a CPU. But my next comp will, most likely.
I currentl have an AMD Sempron 300+ @ 2.2 gHz

#938047 by demagh (User) at 2008-04-30 19:13:43 (5 years ago) - [Report]

Kakkaman wrote:

hah. like i got that kind of a CPU. But my next comp will, most likely.
I currentl have an AMD Sempron 300+ @ 2.2 gHz

well in general, lower than 60c is the common achievement, lower than 55c is perfect, higher than 70 is dangerous.

Last edited by demagh at 2008-04-30 19:14:08

#938736 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2008-05-02 19:54:08 (5 years ago) - [Report]

i got my e2140 stable at FSB 333 --> 2.66ghz @1.275v
couldnt get it to stabilize @1.25v

i wonder if thats normal, or it should be a lower Volt or something (even though the MB suggest that the volt should be 1.325v)

btw, speedfan reporting 55~56 on each core
EDIT : idle 33~34

ps.when i say stable, i mean running orthos for 1~2 hours

and there is a weired problem,
every now and then, i find the MB cancelled the OC'ing, as if there has been something wrong or i OCed to much or something
specially happen more often when i push it past what the ram can handle (FSB333)

even though i can run orthos @ FSB 350 , 2.8Ghz ,1.3v
still happen alot while booting in the morning

Last edited by hmhef at 2008-05-02 19:55:12

#938751 by Xi0nic Donor

(Power User) at 2008-05-02 20:19:56 (5 years ago) - [Report]

hmhef wrote:

Are you running a DS3L board or...?
Because all of my DS3L's reset the OC randomly, usually when the PSU has been unplugged from the power source and/or switched off. I have to manually boot back into bios and set the OC settings again. Pain in the ass, especially since the board DOESN'T TELL ME when it reset.

As for your OC, what is your VID?
~1.25v sounds a bit low for the E2xxx's. Especially on an OC... Both of mine are VID 1.325 (iirc?) and they both reach 9x333 on stock VID. I didn't spend a lot of time experimenting, but if you're trying to raise your clock AND undervolt the CPU, you may hit some trouble.

Check CoreTemp for your VID.

#938779 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2008-05-02 21:04:38 (5 years ago) - [Report]

Xi0nic wrote:

yup, its a p31-ds3l

and its a pain in the ass, i noticed accidentally that it was reset back to 1.6Ghz, when i was trying to run the 3dmark

the only thing that worked for me is lowering the OC, at FSB350 it happens very often, but at 333 it doesnt happen alot,

i am thinking of lowering the OCing to FSB320, or increasing the volt to 1.325, maybe its a stabilty issue

Xi0nic wrote:

As for your OC, what is your VID?
~1.25v sounds a bit low for the E2xxx's. Especially on an OC... Both of mine are VID 1.325 (iirc?) and they both reach 9x333 on stock VID. I didn't spend a lot of time experimenting, but if you're trying to raise your clock AND undervolt the CPU, you may hit some trouble.

Check CoreTemp for your VID.

yes, its 1.325
i was just trying to reach the lowest possible voltage, to minimiz the heat, as i understand that more volt means more heat

and i got it stable at 1.275
does that mean i am undervolting :hmmm:

i see e6xxx series running at 1.1~1.2v, and i assumed that this is the same, :unsure:

#938783 by Xi0nic Donor

(Power User) at 2008-05-02 21:11:46 (5 years ago) - [Report]

Nah, especially when it comes to OCing on the old C2D's, you're going to push past 1.3v easily.

#938960 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2008-05-03 10:58:57 (5 years ago) - [Report]

its really a pain in the ass :wall:

becasue i can get my e2140 to stablize at 8x370 v=1.4v :-/

but if i did that, it reverse it back every single time

#939832 by unknown[73681] at 2008-05-05 17:55:33 (5 years ago) - [Report]

Hello guys.

I have E6750 2.6Ghz processor, 2GB ram 800MHZ, 8600GTS 256 DDR3, mother Gigabyte P35-S3

Today i decided to try overclock my processor with default cooler.

What i have changed in Bios is only CPU frequency to 420 (420X8) and Ram timings to 5-5-5-15. Cpu voltage left auto.

Ran ORTHOS for 20minutes and temparature is about 68'C. So what i want to know, is this temperature is OK and can i try to set CPU frequency higher and when i must stop. What CPu temparature is max, so i could be orientated so not overheat my processor. I know that i wont reach something big with default cooler, but i wanna try to reach max with it

Also, i found that the program, which were in my motherboards cd (easytune) shows temparture lower, thant in Real temp and Core temp programs(look screen).

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#940609 by johnboyjoe (User) at 2008-05-07 17:04:21 (5 years ago) - [Report]

same CPU as i have :-)

temps are fine though i wouldn't want to push them much more, i use the bios as a reference for my temps, core temp etc read it 10C lower so i always add the 10 on just to be on the safe side.

nice clock by the way :-D

get a better HSF and u should hit 3.8 with some more voltage easily, thats what i run 24/7 can push it higher but only do that for benching.

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#941031 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2008-05-08 19:18:50 (5 years ago) - [Report]

well, since xi0nic brought up the idea of undervolting in my mind, :-D

, i tried to achieve lowest possible voltage while having a moderate OC

this is a 1.075v, 266x8 = 2.14

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comparing those temps to 1.4v , 375x8 = 3.0

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that is 20c lower
considering that the ambient temp is much higher than when i did the 375x8 OC'ing

now wondering, could the undervolting cause any life span problems, or just some stability issues

#941099 by Xi0nic Donor

(Power User) at 2008-05-08 22:14:04 (5 years ago) - [Report]

Use CoreTemp.

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now wondering, could the undervolting cause any life span problems, or just some stability issues

If anything, it extends life.
Stability problems could arise, if your CPU isn't getting enough juice. Run Prime95/Orthos for about 12 hours. If no errors, then you're safe.

Last edited by Xi0nic at 2008-05-08 22:14:46

#941135 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2008-05-08 23:36:22 (5 years ago) - [Report]

isnt OCing fun ? :-D

anyway, i did use coretemp this time, and also did both to compare exactly:
1. 266x8, 1.1v (as the 1.075 turned out not so stable after 4 hours of 100% load)
2. 375x8, 1.4v, FSB +0.1v , ddr2 +0.2v

and the results : differnce of temps in idle = ~5c , in full load ~25c
didnt take screenshot of idle temps, but they where around 31~33 and 36~40 respectively

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i think if i have better cooling, i could have far better OCing

and since the 1.075v was ok for 4 hours, i am expecting that the 1.1v (which is 4 steps increase) is enough to get it stable for the 12 hours :yes:

i keep wondering , WHY did intel put the stock voltage on 1.325, or the deafualt multiplier at 8, or the fsb at 200 :blink:

#941138 by Xi0nic Donor

(Power User) at 2008-05-08 23:46:53 (5 years ago) - [Report]

[edited]
Nevermind, it's right:

http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/265 … p-0-a.html

I was asking whether or not the L2/M0 E2000's are 85C or 100C Tmax, but the info is right there in that thread.
Also the thermal spec for the E2140 is 60C, so be careful

What kind of pussy OC is 2.1 GHz?
Put it to 3 GHz already! Is that 1.344v the lowest stable vcore you could get for that clock?

Last edited by Xi0nic at 2008-05-08 23:51:37

#941145 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2008-05-08 23:58:54 (5 years ago) - [Report]

did u notice the temps at 84c ? :rolleyes:

and i actually dont understand the thermal specification thingy, it is ~60c for a lot of processor, but what does it mean ?

actually at that clock i didnt try much playing with the voltages, but it is 1.4v in the bios not 1.344 :yes:

Quote:

Also the thermal spec for the E2140 is 60C, so be careful

What kind of pussy OC is 2.1 GHz?

i totaly understand :-P

#941147 by Xi0nic Donor

(Power User) at 2008-05-09 00:03:06 (5 years ago) - [Report]

Yeah but Orthos/Prime95 is designed to push your CPU.
Under normal gaming load I bet your proc won't even pass nearly 60C.

And yeah 1.4v is probably too high.
I've gotten three E2160's to 9x333 at VID which was 1.325v for all of them. Now, I didn't even test lower volts. They may have been stable at lower vcores (undervolting), but I didn't even test it.

You should definitely be able to hit 8x375 and keep the CPU under 60C (normal gaming load).
Ignore Orthos temps. Setup CoreTemp logging, and run loops of 3dmark06 for about an hour. Then end 3dmark06 and check the logs.

Then do other CPU intensive things like encoding or compressing and see what the temps do...

#941151 by unknown[104101] at 2008-05-09 00:17:38 (5 years ago) - [Report]

As final stability test Orthos should be run with the Blend test for at least 6 hours, but it'd be better 12h or even 24h. It would be best to use only Prime and not even Orthos, so you can manually set the amount of RAM to use during the test, to be sure it doesn't use the page file but stays in RAM. If it starts paging then it's not making a good test so be sure it doesn't. You can set the amount of RAM by selecting Blend and then Custom an set max RAM you can use without paging. If you're on 64bit OS, use the 64bit Prime95 build. With Prime be sure to tick Advanced/Round off checking.

#941152 by pimpNeasy007 Donor

(Wat It Do???Staff) at 2008-05-09 00:18:27 (5 years ago) - [Report]

I have over clocked desktops many times in the past but never a laptop. I have heard that it is very hard.

So here are my specs:

Toshiba A215-S5822

AMD Turion64 x2 Mobile Technology 2.0GHz

2GB of PC5300 DDR2 667 Ram

200GIG HD

ATI 1200xpress VC

Any ideas or suggestions. Or suggestion on not doing this. :lol:

Was just curious! Thanks in advance!

#941155 by hmhef Donor

(VIP) at 2008-05-09 00:21:18 (5 years ago) - [Report]

@xi0nic
either way, i think i need atleast better thermal paste

and i will try the 3dmark06 :-)

also i could try the lowest voltage for ... lets say FSB365

if i remmber correctly, i was able to boot with 350x8 at stock volt, and 370 @ 1.35,
still need to re-test those

anyway, there is 2 options in my MB that are interesting, one of them that increas the FSB automatically by 20%

at stock fsb increased from 200 to 240 when load = 100%

but when i try to set the FSB to 300 so that it is suppoed to increas to 360, orthos doesnt run :-(

going to give that another try as well

#941265 by unknown[245679] at 2008-05-09 11:25:20 (5 years ago) - [Report]

Overclocking of CPU's is very dangerous... I mean if you oc'ing your CPU can burn or it isn't good working....

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