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#657225 by demagh (User) at 2006-07-29 19:58:37 (6 years ago) - [Report]

CyberRascal wrote:

Okay. But I'm feeling lost now

-- let's try to make it easier then

There's several chipsets, right? For example nforce or intel 975x? Which one is best?
-- Nvidia chipset are not available for conroe yet, and i think it doesn't worth the headache, just get Intel P965 if u are looking for something in the mid-range

I've heard that nforce is better with nvidia cards(it's developed by nvidia?), true?
-- nope

Can someone link me to a motherboard that is ideal for both E6600 and 7600GT(nforce?)
-- anyone supporting conroe will be good with the 7600GT, don't make ur choices so limited

Is it really necessary to go with 800mhz DDR2? I can only afford 2gb of 533mhz
-- don't go with 2GB of 533Mhz, get may be 512MB or something then upgrade later, but getting the big slow deal is not sane enough IMO
..

Asus
Gigabyte
Abit

all are there with relatively good prices

Last edited by demagh at 2006-07-29 20:02:50

#657348 by CyberRascal (Power User) at 2006-07-30 00:10:34 (6 years ago) - [Report]

If I can choose between a raptor drive(16mb cache, sata1.5gbs, 10k) and 800mhz, dont you think raptor would be better?

And umm, I found this review.. It says theres less than a fps difference between 1066mhz and 533mhz DDR2.. Still, latencies differ, but it couldn't be that much difference?

#657362 by Melvivio Donor

(Power User) at 2006-07-30 00:48:45 (6 years ago) - [Report]

I have not been following the last weeks of this topic, But I got a question, Maybe its pretty stupid, but I just want to know sure,

My rig contains an asus gaming edition motherboard and corsair memory and a amd x2 4200+ prossie.

Now I know that overclocking with some unknown software will void the warrenty, But what about the included software provided by asus himself, Im able to use the ai booster and amp up everything 10%, what is ok, but Will the warrenty still be there even if I run the software ?

ps, how will they found out when something is damaged, that it is from the overclocking ?

and Nvidias overclocking program does void the warrenty right ?

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#657455 by demagh (User) at 2006-07-30 07:35:34 (6 years ago) - [Report]

CyberRascal wrote:

If I can choose between a raptor drive(16mb cache, sata1.5gbs, 10k) and 800mhz, dont you think raptor would be better?
-- no i don't, i think raptors are nice loading windows, but then they become useless when you are already on a fully powered on system. If i am to choose between access time of the hard drive and input/output power, i'd go for the input/output power, that's when u extract files, and copy them from drive to drive. Raid0 compared to such raptors will be the best solution IMO. In your case, after talking about overclocking and performance, i think memory modules are more essential considering overall performance.
on newegg u can find Gskill modules for less than 160$ 2GB DDR-800, but only compatible with intel platforms.

And umm, I found this review.. It says theres less than a fps difference between 1066mhz and 533mhz DDR2.. Still, latencies differ, but it couldn't be that much difference?
-- it is not about the default settings comparison, it is about the overclocking potential/options you'll have with a higher bandwidth memory module. for example if ur processor can reach like 3.6Ghz from 2.4Ghz, that's 1.2Ghz overclocking, @ this speed your memory using a divider will probably be @ DDR2-800, which is the minimum allowed speed @ those clocks available in bios "that's total assumption, i didn't own a conroe before

", so if u got the DDR2-533, u'll probably be stuck @ lower CPU speeds as well. like may be 3.2Ghz or so.

Melvivio wrote:

But what about the included software provided by asus himself, Im able to use the ai booster and amp up everything 10%, what is ok, but Will the warrenty still be there even if I run the software ?
-- overclocking through software is not the best option to go with, i'd learn about bios overclocking, click on my name and see my AMD64 overclocking guide, this might help

ps, how will they found out when something is damaged, that it is from the overclocking ?
-- they won't, most of the time that is.

and Nvidias overclocking program does void the warranty right?
-- don't be so worried about voiding warranty, just don't be so stupid when you are overclocking

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#657529 by CyberRascal (Power User) at 2006-07-30 12:47:59 (6 years ago) - [Report]

Alright, that's really cheap.. I searched around for 800-mhz memory modules and they where like 175$ per gb.. does newegg ship global? coz i'm swedish. Or does someone have a link to cheap 800mhz memory here in sweden?

also, my brother wants me to ask: On the asus site it says the "P5NSLI" motherboard support's conroe. it also says that has nforce4 chipset. But I thought only nforce 590, p965 and p975x supported conroe so far? Someone on this site told me so.. Anyway. He wanted me to ask if nforce4+conroe would work good together, even though it is outdated?

/edit: just wanted to say thank you for taking your time with me.. really appreciated..

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#657533 by demagh (User) at 2006-07-30 13:03:06 (6 years ago) - [Report]

CyberRascal wrote:

Alright, that's really cheap.. I searched around for 800-mhz memory modules and they where like 175$ per gb.. does newegg ship global? coz i'm swedish. Or does someone have a link to cheap 800mhz memory here in sweden?
-- newegg does not ship internationally
-- may be u should find something in Europe that ships to you directly, better than newegg stuff

also, my brother wants me to ask: On the asus site it says the "P5NSLI" motherboard support's conroe. it also says that has nforce4 chipset. But I thought only nforce 590, p965 and p975x supported conroe so far?
-- nforce 590 doesn't support conroe, i didn't even find till now an nvidia motherboard that supports conroe
-- if it is written in the official website, i'll believe that
-- i thought nvidia failed to provide quite impressive performance results with INTEL as it did with AMD

Someone on this site told me so.. Anyway. He wanted me to ask if nforce4+conroe would work good together, even though it is outdated?
-- as said before, if it is in the official website, then i'd trust that, i'd like to see the link of this if u can post it here.

/edit: just wanted to say thank you for taking your time with me.. really appreciated..
--u'r welcome

#657539 by CyberRascal (Power User) at 2006-07-30 13:14:53 (6 years ago) - [Report]

http://zeus.asus.com/hq/products1.aspx? … =txt/core2

There it is. If you scroll down you'll see the P5NSLI motherboard.

Also, I found an interesting memory module kit.. Cheap, but most sites say "800mhz" when they mean "400mhz ddr2". well, here it says 400mhz, but DDR2 isnt available with that low clock, right? So it must be 800mhz? It's called "400MHZ DDR2 NON-ECC CL3 DIMM (KIT OF 2)" on the site. heres the data sheet:

http://www.valueram.com/datasheets/KVR400D2N3K2_2G.pdf

#657547 by demagh (User) at 2006-07-30 13:35:33 (6 years ago) - [Report]

CyberRascal wrote:

http://zeus.asus.com/hq/products1.aspx?l1=3&l2=0&l3=0&modelmenu=0&share=txt/core2

There it is. If you scroll down you'll see the P5NSLI motherboard.
-- it is not clickable, means it is not out for the public yet, may be coming soon

Also, I found an interesting memory module kit.. Cheap, but most sites say "800mhz" when they mean "400mhz ddr2". well, here it says 400mhz, but DDR2 isnt available with that low clock, right? So it must be 800mhz? It's called "400MHZ DDR2 NON-ECC CL3 DIMM (KIT OF 2)" on the site. heres the data sheet:

http://www.valueram.com/datasheets/KVR400D2N3K2_2G.pdf
-- this is actually DDR2-400, meaning 200Mhz, that must be some real cheap crap, it is written in the pdf DDR2-400, not 400Mhz
-- one more tip, there is no cheap ddr2-800 memory modules with CL:3

Last edited by demagh at 2006-07-30 13:36:35

#657563 by unknown[127883] at 2006-07-30 13:58:21 (6 years ago) - [Report]

CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail

this module here has had some very good reviews and now they are having a $40.00 mail in rebate (i hate rebate but 40 bucks is awesome) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6820145590
ans yes, i know newegg doesnt ship out but for whoever is reading this and lives in the US, these seem pretty nice.

#657573 by demagh (User) at 2006-07-30 14:23:53 (6 years ago) - [Report]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi … ;maxPrice=

i don't know why didn't u look for cheaper memory modules?
good news, if u are getting a conroe you shouldn't worry about memory incompatibility.

#657605 by CyberRascal (Power User) at 2006-07-30 15:55:21 (6 years ago) - [Report]

Okay. this would be my computer.. will it work together?

Asus P5B Intel P965 Socket 775 ATX
Intel E6600 Core 2 Duo
Asus Geforce 7600GT
Twin2X 2x1024MB DDR2, PC6400 DDR800, CAS 5-5-5-12-T1, Twin2X2048-6400

At a total cost of 920 USD..

will upgrade later with next-gen graphiccards, probably nvidia G80, if it supports DX10..

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#657677 by demagh (User) at 2006-07-30 18:58:47 (6 years ago) - [Report]

seems about right

#657738 by CyberRascal (Power User) at 2006-07-30 21:52:17 (6 years ago) - [Report]

Thanks.

About SLi card P5NSLI: heres the direct link, don't know why it isn't clickable on that page, but the only thing it lead's to is the "spec" page.. And that is available here:

http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3 … odelmenu=1

Also, it's in stock at my local dealer, 10 of them.. But might mean that it's the latest revision of those boards that support it, and not the ones my dealer has? It says P5NSLI atleast..

/edit: oh shit sorry.. disregard this post.. I realized the link i posted led to "P5ND2-SLi" and not "P5NSLi"

Last edited by CyberRascal at 2006-07-30 21:57:52

#662646 by Victor2 (Power User) at 2006-08-08 02:14:41 (6 years ago) - [Report]

OK, MY pc is slow and I am getting fed up, BUT i dont got the money 4 an upgrade... SO... I want to OC my Intel Celeron 2.4Ghz Socket 478, 400 Mhz BUS CPU.
My mobo is: MSI 865PE Neo2 and my RAM OCZ Dual Channel 2GB Overclockable

So can some1 guide me through on how to OC my processor to its limits? BTW Cooling Is no problem because i have the money for a good fan.

Thank You

Edit: O and is overclocking to maybe 500Mhz or faster big differences, Like running games faster and other programs?

Edit: OK So i increased the BUS from 100Mhz to 125 Mhz x 24 multipliers = 3Ghz and its stable so far. But after 130 Mhz BUS speed the PC shuts down. Im guessing I need to put more voltage to the CPU so I can go over 3.1Ghz? PLZ help PPL

Last edited by Victor2 at 2006-08-09 16:58:54

#665191 by unknown[131385] at 2006-08-12 00:19:01 (6 years ago) - [Report]

Of course you have to add voltage to it if you OC :unsure:

Then again Celeron = LOL.

/Eezee

#665237 by demagh (User) at 2006-08-12 02:32:04 (6 years ago) - [Report]

@victor2
[1] check ur current temps before adding more voltages
[2] check ur memory frequency, and try to use a divider if there is something like that in ur bios, if not, may be ur memory reached its limits and there is nothing u can do anymore to maintain stability "may be upping vdimm a bit, but that's not advisable with value ram"
[3] don't up the voltage above 10%-15% with air cooling. with stock intel crappy cooler, i'd go for 10% maximum.

#665242 by Victor2 (Power User) at 2006-08-12 02:47:37 (6 years ago) - [Report]

demagh wrote:

[1] My CPU @ 3Ghz is 38C idle and 50-55C max under load. WITH stock cooling.
[2] Im sure my PLatinium edition OCZ is fine. Its MADE for overclocking anyway..
[3]OK I will up the voltage

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#665244 by demagh (User) at 2006-08-12 02:53:39 (6 years ago) - [Report]

Victor2 wrote:

[1] My CPU @ 3Ghz is 38C idle and 50-55C max under load. WITH stock cooling.
-- nice, celerons are not this hot anyway, they can manage till 75 i guess, u stop when u see 63+

[2] Im sure my PLatinium edition OCZ is fine. Its MADE for overclocking anyway.
-- check the memory timings and set them to 3-4-4-X in the bios, will help maintain stability

[3]OK I will up the voltage
-- let me know the new overclocking record/temps

#673237 by CyberRascal (Power User) at 2006-08-23 17:11:11 (6 years ago) - [Report]

Hey, didn't really know where to put this so I'll put it here.

So.

Intel has a quad data rate for their FSB, right? And it's 1066 on the Core 2 Duo, right? Which means it's 266 mhz without the quad data rate. My memory is rated to 800mhz, but it's running at 4:5 FSB:RAM, which means 266/4*5=333mhz, which means 667 mhz DDR2 memory.

How should I fix this? Should I up the FSB:RAM ratio to 2:3? Is it even possible with P965 chipset? Should I up the FSB?

/edit: Now, I went into bios and saw that i can just set "DDR2 frequency" to 800mhz.. But I'm afraid to do so because I fear the system will not boot.. Let's say my memory doesnt work.. can i still get into bios to fix it?

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#673286 by demagh (User) at 2006-08-23 18:33:23 (6 years ago) - [Report]

CyberRascal wrote:

/edit: Now, I went into bios and saw that i can just set "DDR2 frequency" to 800mhz.. But I'm afraid to do so because I fear the system will not boot.. Let's say my memory doesnt work.. can i still get into bios to fix it?

no worries there, set it to 800mhz, but make sure to up the vdimm a bit as DDR2-800 usually uses higher voltages, even if it didn't boot u can always clear CMOS

check the manual for the clearing Cmos thing

#673313 by CyberRascal (Power User) at 2006-08-23 19:10:51 (6 years ago) - [Report]

Hey, thanks.

Took a gamble, raised vdimm from 1.8 to 1.9 and raised frequency to 800mhz

I'm still running Core 2 E6600 at stock speed @2.4ghz, but I've only got the stock cooler.. Should I wait and buy a CPU cooler or try to overclock a bit anyway?

#673358 by demagh (User) at 2006-08-23 19:58:06 (6 years ago) - [Report]

a little bit won't hurt, u may be able to reach 3.0ghz @ stock vcore, which most ppl acheived easily.

p.s:
visit the manufacturer site of ur memory modules to see the highest supported vdimm

#673587 by unknown[126851] at 2006-08-24 02:07:24 (6 years ago) - [Report]

Plz help me i gonna crazy !!!

I was playing i a game, then the game start to lag I restarted the computer, and from the restart my computer is slow like hell !! the loading befor the windows starts takes 3 minutes !!! normal its takes 20 secs maximum
to archive a 700 mega RAR file takes 6 minutes and the CPU usage jumps to 100%. my music sound starange some times its slow and some times normal. I scan with my antivirus (Bitdefender 9) normal scan time takes 30 minutes this time its 2 hours !!!!( WTF ???) so I stoped I dont have so much time, I ran TaskMan for search some suspected tasks and I dont find nothing, just this hidden tasks that if I remove then my computer restarts (hidden system files).
I ran the Spyware Doctor, found me some cookies i remove them and still my computer slow...
I tried to restart the computer without Internet conection and nothing happend

in safe mod the computer is alright ...
and another thing... my CPU Usage jumps up when i move the mouse !!! to 15%

My computer

Processor
Model : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+
Speed : 2.01GHz
Model Number : 3200 (estimated)
Performance Rating : PR3216 (estimated)
Cores per Processor : 1 Unit(s)
Threads per Core : 1 Unit(s)
Internal Data Cache : 64kB Synchronous, Write-Back, 2-way set, 64 byte line size
L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC Synchronous, Write-Back, 16-way set, 64 byte line size

Mainboard
Bus(es) : ISA X-Bus AGP PCI USB i2c/SMBus
MP Support : 1 Processor(s)
MP APIC : No
System BIOS : Award Software International, Inc. F4
Mainboard : Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. M1689D
Total Memory : 1GB DDR-SDRAM

NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT

Operating System
Windows System : Microsoft Windows XP/2003 Professional x64 Edition 5.02.3790 (Service Pack 1)

Performance Tips
Warning 100 : Large memory sizes should be made of Registered/Buffered memory.
Tip 2546 : Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity.

(What is that ECC/Parity ???)

And Plz dont tell me that the reasone for this thing its the game cuase i played the game aweek befor that happend and the computer was fine (the game is NFS:MW

)

#673602 by Yinchie Donor

(Power User) at 2006-08-24 02:50:38 (6 years ago) - [Report]

demagh wrote:

a little bit won't hurt, u may be able to reach 3.0ghz @ stock vcore, which most ppl acheived easily.

Lets say - very easy

Friday this week I will be overclocking mine over 3.15 Ghz
New CPU fan and extra case cooling and better cooling paste.

Also overclocking my graphics card, bought a new cooler for that as well.

#673612 by demagh (User) at 2006-08-24 03:48:09 (6 years ago) - [Report]

@darkside
probably a software issue, check for any running services that consumes the CPU power while windows is running

anyway don't panic, the worst case scenario is u'll need a fresh windows installation.

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