No, they don't bother me I can participate in them just fine.
The fact that others can't, that bothers me. And it makes me saaad, so saaaaaad.
yeah its fine when ppl participate in them ok....but does it not frustrate you when someone says something completely insanely about some religion or other...my personal opinion is that religions are a waste of time and cause more harm than good. while you are alive you should live it and not think about an afterlife...you'l arrive at that soon enough. no point speculating what comes next etc. all i take from the bible is some of the moral points e.g thou shalt not kill etc..
political...well i dont fancy hearing from communists and fascists (which wil be around here), and racists etc. they flame me up..to think that ppl can be so feeble-minded. and ppl that dont agree with the Iraq war etc....i know its ppl's right to think what they choose...but i dont like it when ppl sya something blindly and dont understand the topic fully...
No, they don't bother me I can participate in them just fine.
The fact that others can't, that bothers me. And it makes me saaad, so saaaaaad.
yeah its fine when ppl participate in them ok....but does it not frustrate you when someone says something completely insanely about some religion or other...my personal opinion is that religions are a waste of time and cause more harm than good. while you are alive you should live it and not think about an afterlife...you'l arrive at that soon enough. no point speculating what comes next etc. all i take from the bible is some of the moral points e.g thou shalt not kill etc..
political...well i dont fancy hearing from communists and fascists (which wil be around here), and racists etc. they flame me up..to think that ppl can be so feeble-minded. and ppl that dont agree with the Iraq war etc....i know its ppl's right to think what they choose...but i dont like it when ppl sya something blindly and dont understand the topic fully...
well thats my 2cents...
peace..
Ok what you are saying is that these types of threads would be ok IF everybody thought just like you?
I think I see the problem...perhaps the poll should have read: Would you like to see jameswhe03 banned from participating in all religious and Political threads?
#328452 by unknown[902] at 2005-08-09 23:18:01 (7 years ago) - [Report]
Those goddamn communists and facists! BAN THEM ALL!!!
I think it's natural that some people would be offended by the differences in opinion that arise, but hopefully at some point in their life, they'll learn that everyone can't have the same views about everything.
Personally, I'm not offended in the least in political threads, even if I get flamed - I can understand why others get so heated.
#328562 by unknown[57813] at 2005-08-09 23:57:37 (7 years ago) - [Report]
why do the polls have always many possible answers that have the same meaning ? Why not just "yes" and "no" ?
#328779 by Xrizto (Power User) at 2005-08-10 01:58:34 (7 years ago) - [Report]
Hi all, I am not sure if my post is really in proper English, but I’m not a native speaker so please excuse me. If there is anything you don’t understand please post that so that I may clarify.
As for political and religious topics; these kinds of discussions must of course be allowed, I have this far neither read nor posted in such threads (here, I have tried posting once in another forum, but as expected, that did not turn out that well), because I know (or rather believe) that most (not all but most) of the people “discussing” in such threads will never change their mind. Religion is a deeply rooted problem that has always been part of mankind’s way to explain a world we will never fully understand, and probably will be for many years to come.
As for ideology, it is not something people change after an internet debate. Most people never admit defeat on the internet, nor do they change positions, it is simply a matter of winning or loosing for them. These facts, however, do not nullify the importance of the presence if such subjects, here on torrentbytes, and on other forums, because these topics need to be discussed. As for me I enjoy reading such threads, event though I know that I will never convince a religious person of dropping his/her faith I don’t really care, because I have really no reason to strive for them too lose faith, they have their faith and enjoy it, but sometimes I still enjoy reading about how they justify this or that particular faith.
If some people for some reason cannot tolerate that not everyone in the entire world share their particular faith, they have a big problem. The same goes for ideology, people must tolerate other ideologies then their own, besides, Ideology (as separate from religion, I don’t know about other nations but in Sweden no politician quoting the bible/other religious text would be taken seriously) evolves from discussion and discussion only.(btw if you have read this far and refrain from answering with some immature flame like post, you probably are one of those people who should be participating in actual ideological conversations, evolving it, rather than the usual internet flaming) Without political discussion, no political evolution, let there be political and religious discussions wherever there can be.
[Edit: big mass of text, fixed that to some degree by partitioning the post into pieces]
#330618 by unknown[65545] at 2005-08-11 03:08:03 (7 years ago) - [Report]
Of course political and religious topics shouldn't be banned, I mean, everybody has a personal opinion (or should have one) on these topics, so why not discus them ? It's a way getting to know the other sides point of view, and letting them know your's. In short it's learning. It doesn't really bother me wether the other part changes their mind or not, as long as it got them thinking about the topic for a while, instead of just blindly believing what they are told. Even if you can't accept other peoples view's, you still have to accept that they have them and get on with your life, but at least now you know where they are coming from and they you, and so it might prevent future misconceptions.
And, yes, some people won't budge on the forums, but at least some of these people are sitting behind their keyboards, seriously thinking about what they just read, just being too stubborn to admit it, but it'll still change their outlook and that will do for me.
On a personal note I have to say the flame thing doesn't really bother me, why should somebody showing of their inadequacies to the world bother me ? Pity, is the feeling that comes to mind.
And what's really to worry about here on TB, enough of the Mod's and Fls. crew normally participate in these threads to keep them civil
On a side note...has anybody noticed that all recent political/religious posts have:
a) stayed pretty much on topic
and
b) not ended up in flaming
Guess the threat of having them removed for people misbehaving has shown some results already
#331343 by Xrizto (Power User) at 2005-08-11 14:54:00 (7 years ago) - [Report]
VeryBadGUy wrote:
at 2005-08-11 15:35:18 (14 mins ago)
On a side note...has anybody noticed that all recent political/religious posts have:
a) stayed pretty much on topic
and
b) not ended up in flaming
Guess the threat of having them removed for people misbehaving has shown some results already
Indeed I have, I started reading more in theese threads on this forum after this poll and even posted some. If they keep as nice as the ones I have read I dont think any mod will need to bring their locked smileys to them.
[Edit, bad quote tags, I really should start using preview]
#331555 by unknown[902] at 2005-08-11 17:26:01 (7 years ago) - [Report]
VeryBadGUy wrote:
Guess the threat of having them removed for people misbehaving has shown some results already
Yea it's working pretty well
But I guess 50% of poll respondees can't read
#331582 by unknown[2632] at 2005-08-11 17:43:05 (7 years ago) - [Report]
Why ban a subject that is relevant, if you moderators dont have time to follow and read that shit fine, I dont care.
If you think it seems bad that people discuss politics, racism and so on...ehm, this site is illegal, you see me point?
#332455 by unknown[101784] at 2005-08-12 03:03:38 (7 years ago) - [Report]
who deleted my post?
edit: just realised all posts were deleted il repost what i said later...
#332606 by unknown[4166] at 2005-08-12 07:31:31 (7 years ago) - [Report]
Rational discussions about any topic should have unlimited angles to explore. Limiting discussion is tantamount to censorship. Flaming and direct insults should not be tolerated.
My 2c.
#332724 by unknown[44874] at 2005-08-12 10:15:37 (7 years ago) - [Report]
Karnage wrote:
Rational discussions about any topic should have unlimited angles to explore. Limiting discussion is tantamount to censorship. Flaming and direct insults should not be tolerated.
My 2c.
If I may add to that. please?
I agree with you Karnage, 100%.
My deleted post said it all, quite eloquently.
As well as "Flaming and direct insults should not be tolerated",
I would add, "neither should generalized and vaguely disguised insults" - That's where the trouble starts.
#333321 by unknown[1169] at 2005-08-12 16:29:58 (7 years ago) - [Report]
Incognito wrote:
Karnage wrote:
Rational discussions about any topic should have unlimited angles to explore. Limiting discussion is tantamount to censorship. Flaming and direct insults should not be tolerated.
My 2c.
If I may add to that. please?
I agree with you Karnage, 100%.
My deleted post said it all, quite eloquently.
As well as "Flaming and direct insults should not be tolerated",
I would add, "neither should generalized and vaguely disguised insults" - That's where the trouble starts.
The problem with that is many posts,by people either knowingly and unknowingly,could be classed as an insult even if the original poster did not intend to...it is how it is percieved by the reader...i still see many remarks that seem to be breaking the new rules in this thread...
#333847 by unknown[53166] at 2005-08-12 21:49:30 (7 years ago) - [Report]
I don't chat on the forums for the very reason chronic to most topics, opinions. voted yes because it would solve a lot of problems as it one thing people do not have proof on or need to prove (religion) and politices is just screwed anyway.
^^ Some adults know how to have a discussion as adults, but the majority doesn't. It's their way of being.
#335089 by unknown[96735] at 2005-08-13 21:53:18 (7 years ago) - [Report]
We will never see religious and political topics stay oped for more than two hours.
and one of the reasons is that people think they have a right not to be offended
I belive its a racists right to hate whoever he wants for any or no reason and its
my right to call that racist an idiot, thats what a democracy is. I put up with your
shit and you put up with mine.
Ok what you are saying is that these types of threads would be ok IF everybody thought just like you?
I think I see the problem...perhaps the poll should have read: Would you like to see jameswhe03 banned from participating in all religious and Political threads?
nope i not saying that...im saying that i dont mind so long as people have a good arguement for something thats more extreme....but as yet iv not seen a near convincing arguement on any issue that has defeated what i believe.
i am very careful before i arrive at decisions... i think everything through...its my nature...i think too much...so i have normally weighed up most arguements in my head already before i stick to an opinion.
Ok what you are saying is that these types of threads would be ok IF everybody thought just like you?
I think I see the problem...perhaps the poll should have read: Would you like to see jameswhe03 banned from participating in all religious and Political threads?
nope i not saying that...im saying that i dont mind so long as people have a good arguement for something thats more extreme....but as yet iv not seen a near convincing arguement on any issue that has defeated what i believe.
i am very careful before i arrive at decisions... i think everything through...its my nature...i think too much...so i have normally weighed up most arguements in my head already before i stick to an opinion.
But based upon all that you should have voted NO to banning these discussions.
The ignorant people will end up getting themselves banned in the long run anyways..leaving the intellegent, non-emotionally challeneged users to discuss matters in adult like fashion.
#335188 by unknown[44874] at 2005-08-13 23:25:49 (7 years ago) - [Report]
VeryBadGUy wrote:
jameswhe03 wrote:
VeryBadGUy wrote:
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But based upon all that you should have voted NO to banning these discussions.
The ignorant people will end up getting themselves banned in the long run anyways..leaving the intellegent, non-emotionally challenged users to discuss matters in adult like fashion.
Not necessarily vbg.
I can usually see both sides to every argument, and my philosophy has always been,
"I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death, your right to say it"
but I still voted yes to ban these discussions.
Among the many problems we have here at these forums, is one of adolescent hormonal angst.
Combine that with strong religious leanings, and highly charged patriotism,
and many of these people are simply incapable of saying,
"I understand what you mean, but I am inclined to disagree with you because...".
Also, add the increased confusions of a language barrier and of cultural differences towards politeness.
And I haven't even mentioned the true rascist, xenophobe or religious fanatic yet.
I, personally, would rather choose to vote no to banning these threads,
and have the Mods forum-disable, or account-disable, the perpetrators of this written violence.
but I can see more complaints in the future, about the standard of moderation,
and the tone of freindliness in the forum, if this happens.
That's why I voted to ban them all.
If the users can guarantee to refrain from the violent chat,
and the Mods can guarantee to clamp down on this behaviour,
I have no objections to these threads being allowed...
but I really can't see this happening.
Edit sp.
#335369 by unknown[53972] at 2005-08-14 04:19:49 (7 years ago) - [Report]
BaByLoVe wrote:
No, they don't bother me I can participate in them just fine.
#336215 by unknown[85296] at 2005-08-14 20:37:13 (7 years ago) - [Report]
why wasnt there an option to have them in their own section on the forum, away from all the sane people here to download stuff?
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Those goddamn communists and facists! BAN THEM ALL!!!
('8-bit power') at 2005-08-13 21:19:20 (7 years ago) - [
