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#299120 by unknown[49880] at 2005-07-15 19:43:21 (8 years ago) - [Report]

How Not To Get Sued By The RIAA For File-Sharing

yes maybe wrong section / im not a big poster [nor you cant pm me] hope i wont make a big mistake posting in wrong section [if any]

The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) announced on June 25, 2003, that it will begin suing users of peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing systems within the next few weeks. According to the announcement, the RIAA will be targeting users who upload/share "substantial" amounts of copyrighted music. The RIAA has stated that it will choose who to sue by using software that scans users' publicly available P2P directories and then identifies the ISP of each user. Then, using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), the RIAA will subpoena the ISP for each user's name, address, and other personal information in order to sue that user.

/http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/howto-notgetsued.php

#299182 by unknown[34015] at 2005-07-15 20:20:20 (8 years ago) - [Report]

No Bittorrent in

..

# Disable the "sharing" or "uploading" features on your P2P application that allow other users on the network to get copies of files from your computer or scan any of your music directories. We hate this option, but it does appear that it will reduce your chances of becoming an RIAA target right now. For instructions on how to do this for particular applications, EFF suggests (but cannot guarantee) the following links:

* Grokster
o http://www.grokster.com/helpfaq.html#St … ng%20files
o http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesh … kster.html
* Morpheus
o http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesh … pheus.html
o http://penguin.cc.edu/peer/peer2peer.html#morpheus
* KaZaA
o http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesharing/kazaa.html
o http://penguin.cc.edu/peer/peer2peer.html#kazaa
* Aimster/Madster
o Windows
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesh … mster.html
o Mac OS
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesh … r_mac.html
* Gnutella
o Mactella
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesh … tella.html
o Gnucleus
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesh … cleus.html
o Gnotella
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesh … tella.html
o LimeWire
+ MacOS
# http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesh … remac.html
+ Windows
# http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesh … rewin.html
# http://penguin.cc.edu/peer/peer2peer.html#limewire
o BearShare
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesh … share.html
+ http://penguin.cc.edu/peer/peer2peer.html#bearshare
o iMesh
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesharing/imesh.html
o WinMX
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesharing/winmx.html
+ http://penguin.cc.edu/peer/peer2peer.html#winmx

#299761 by facialicious Donor

(Power User) at 2005-07-16 02:39:07 (8 years ago) - [Report]

I wonder what substantial means? They will probably be dissapointed because most people with "sunstantial" amounts are overseas.

#299786 by unknown[58164] at 2005-07-16 03:15:01 (8 years ago) - [Report]

facialicious wrote:

I wonder what substantial means? They will probably be dissapointed because most people with "sunstantial" amounts are overseas.

not sure, but you can be garunteed their definition of substantial will be very different from yours

#299904 by nicoflash2 (Power User) at 2005-07-16 06:21:42 (8 years ago) - [Report]

facialicious wrote:

I wonder what substantial means? They will probably be dissapointed because most people with "sunstantial" amounts are overseas.

25 kilobytes

#299942 by PrettySneaky (Power User) at 2005-07-16 07:35:10 (8 years ago) - [Report]

yoshi wrote:

Scanning p2p networks that RIAA is planning to do is illigal in many contries like sweden, netherlands etc. Here personal integrity is worth more than so called "lost profit" of companies. So seed on bros

#308715 by unknown[95156] at 2005-07-21 06:01:14 (8 years ago) - [Report]

I'm in the USA, is my only option to reduce the amount of time that I spend seeding?

Edit: Looking at that page it seems that it is mainly targeted at p2p clients like Kazaa and Limewire. Should I still be worried with BitTorrent?

Edit 2: And looking at http://www.chillingeffects.org i'm seeing that most violators were just sent a letter to remove the file. If the RIAA caught you now would they immediately try and sue you or just get you to remove the file?

#308718 by unknown[58263] at 2005-07-21 06:03:36 (8 years ago) - [Report]

Cookieman123 wrote:

I'm in the USA, is my only option to reduce the amount of time that I spend seeding?

The only option for you would be:

RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!

or use FTP's. :shifty:

#308728 by unknown[95156] at 2005-07-21 06:34:18 (8 years ago) - [Report]

Ok in that article it says

Quote:

The RIAA has stated that it will choose who to sue by using software that scans users' publicly available P2P directories and then identifies the ISP of each user. Then, using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), the RIAA will subpoena the ISP for each user's name, address, and other personal information in order to sue that user.

So since bittorrent doesn't have "shared directories" like Kazaa or Limewire, and your only connected while your manually seeding/leeching, that would mean I would be relitively secure, right?

#308729 by nicoflash2 (Power User) at 2005-07-21 06:37:01 (8 years ago) - [Report]

Cookieman123 wrote:

Ok in that article it says

Quote:

So since bittorrent doesn't have "shared directories" like Kazaa or Limewire, and your only connected while your manually seeding/leeching, that would mean I would be relitively secure, right?

ehh wouldnt say your secure. maybe more than with kazaa, but with bittorrent your ip address is shown

Last edited by nicoflash2 at 2005-07-21 06:37:08

#308735 by unknown[95156] at 2005-07-21 06:49:55 (8 years ago) - [Report]

nicoflash2 wrote:

Cookieman123 wrote:

Ok in that article it says

Quote:

So since bittorrent doesn't have "shared directories" like Kazaa or Limewire, and your only connected while your manually seeding/leeching, that would mean I would be relitively secure, right?

ehh wouldnt say your secure. maybe more than with kazaa, but with bittorrent your ip address is shown

True, but can they scan certain torrents easily like they do with other p2p programs? Since BitTorrent doesn't have a shared directory that is open 24/7 I would think i'd be safer. And i mean...millions of people use BitTorrent, what are the chances of me getting caught? I seeded Star Wars Episode III on here for a week and didn't get busted or anything. Maybe i'm just overreacting to this whole thing :unsure:

I just don't want to wake up one morning to a nice email from the RIAA :-O

#308775 by VeryBadGuy Donor

(Mad Ultra Mod) at 2005-07-21 07:46:03 (8 years ago) - [Report]

Cookieman123 wrote:

nicoflash2 wrote:

Cookieman123 wrote:

Ok in that article it says

Quote:

So since bittorrent doesn't have "shared directories" like Kazaa or Limewire, and your only connected while your manually seeding/leeching, that would mean I would be relitively secure, right?

ehh wouldnt say your secure. maybe more than with kazaa, but with bittorrent your ip address is shown

I just don't want to wake up one morning to a nice email from the RIAA :-O

F_ck it...just seed
You could walk out of the house and get hit by a bus..does this mean you have to stay at home the rest of your life?
Worrying about sh_t won't chane anything...download..upload and enjoy it till they make you stop.

#308887 by unknown[20071] at 2005-07-21 10:26:32 (8 years ago) - [Report]

Dont live in USA.

But seriously man, i rather think RIAA goes for fileshares on DirectConnect. Since it's way easier to sue someones ass for sharing 532847298472gb mp3 instead of just a album on mp3. and i don't really think they keep tracking everyones move here on tb.. and if they did they are doing something really nasty.. and such a smal 'community' as this site is nothing to worry about.. but hey, you can never be secure.. :]

Try to get into the real scene if you're paranoid... it's not that hard, i bet some of your friend is playing with it..

#309362 by unknown[58058] at 2005-07-21 15:12:46 (8 years ago) - [Report]

PrettySneaky wrote:

yoshi wrote:

Exactly. You can't give out information about a pearson. That's illegal.

#309549 by unknown[95156] at 2005-07-21 16:49:13 (8 years ago) - [Report]

ruskie wrote:

Yeah, thats what I was thinking. On a small community like this, I doubt the RIAA has time to watch over all the torrents. And like you said, one file is different than seeding everything that you've ever downloaded. Maybe on sites like torrentspy with millions of users they're keeping track. But there's only 50,000 users here (a lot overseas) which in realistic terms is not that much. But it still just amazes me that the American goverenment puts so much time and money into this while millions of people worldwide are homeless and starving :-/

...and can you PM me with how to get into the "real scene" ? :-D

#317541 by chomeop Donor

(<-- Kind of a big deal) at 2005-07-27 15:51:26 (7 years ago) - [Report]

i had a mate u got an e-mail from his ISP for downloading 50 first dates... although i'm pretty sure he got it from supernova... so thats pretty public... they just watch for peeps there. but now he's got an FTP server on a 100mbit connection and in the scene so he just gets stuff off his ftp which a few groups use! heh

#317563 by Eury Donor

(User) at 2005-07-27 16:07:26 (7 years ago) - [Report]

Cookieman123 wrote:

But it still just amazes me that the American goverenment puts so much time and money into this while millions of people worldwide are homeless and starving :-/

america don't do anything about that... i read a week ago that the u.s donated like 1%...

#317873 by unknown[102179] at 2005-07-27 20:09:07 (7 years ago) - [Report]

owd wrote:

No Bittorrent in

what about emule?

#322893 by unknown[93869] at 2005-07-31 21:33:51 (7 years ago) - [Report]

ye they should fucking start sewing 10 million users

#323033 by unknown[103608] at 2005-07-31 23:05:48 (7 years ago) - [Report]

LOl just imagined how many beers I would have if I worked for the RIAA if a mliion people stopped sharing.

Id party for a week thinking what a great job Im doing.

#323254 by unknown[618] at 2005-08-01 03:00:54 (7 years ago) - [Report]

GUYS COME ON!!! There should be one word in this "how not to get sued..." thread. Protowall.

#323268 by unknown[81040] at 2005-08-01 03:26:22 (7 years ago) - [Report]

membrane wrote:

LOl just imagined how many beers I would have if I worked for the RIAA if a mliion people stopped sharing.

Id party for a week thinking what a great job Im doing.

Well, that day will come in like, eh, never?
My parents always told me it's good to share.
But then again, i don't remember them giving me 10mbit sdsl :/

#323302 by Dexter (Power User) at 2005-08-01 04:32:14 (7 years ago) - [Report]

Well there are several degrees of how possible it is for someone to get sued...
The most likely/or what they are mostly looking into are people that download or rip and sell stuff on DVD's/CD's making money with it themselves and I guess there are still a lot of those.
Then there's stuff like "how hard are you to find" and "where do you live". It seems a lot harder to get sued if you are living in a more liberal/democratic country or in a poorer country that has other problems rather than the USA, seeing for example the legal threat section of Piratebay I wonder myself how much you can do in Sweden

. Then there's also your Provider's policy...if they give everything out if the MPAA/RIAA or any officials ask risking something or rather fight for it and how easy it is to find out who you are, for example if you have a dynamic IP they'd have to check in the log's by whom it was used at that time and give them the information first. A procedure like that is mostly only useful in class action lawsuits where they send 10.000-100.000 IP's to the provider at once and demand of them to identify the users and probably mostly used in the US.

Also the community counts... it's rather hard to take down a few of millions sharing IRC-channels that use XDCC/DCC or registered users/100GB minshare Direct Connect HUB's and ftp's / newsgroups so they're attacking the rather more open Platforms that anyone around the world can reach even if his IQ can be compared to that of a dead animal (for example Kazaa, Morpheus, eMule and around now I guess even BitTorrent on certain Trackers) instead of the small ones. I guess they try to keep it at a certain amount of spreading around the globe with commercials and scare-tactics and stuff like closing down sites or (trying) to sue more publicly common sites like EFNet's #bt or some other reg-users only torrentsites lately...I remember a few of my favourite ones closed down because of it, that's the reason I came here.

In the end if you're not actively selling stuff or if you don't host a 2TB+ scene-ftp / programmed or owned sharing-platforms/sites it's more about luck...as someone else said you can get hit by a meteorite or struck by a lightning or you can not, who knows. I'd be more concerned about one of my 300GB HD's dying or loosing all the stuff I have I'd guess instead of worrying about their "punishment".

Ah yes, I guess it'd also help a little bit using programs like Peer Guardian or Protowall that block obvious IP's used by certain parties but in the end nothing can grant total anonimity if you're not using some weird masking system or rerouting your IP through several countries

Last edited by Dexter at 2005-08-01 04:48:48

#323388 by unknown[103932] at 2005-08-01 07:28:36 (7 years ago) - [Report]

Er, this thread's about an article over 2 years old? I kind of think that the RIAA may have moved on. They definitely wouldn't care if you shared Star Wars 3 (although the MPAA might..and did, look at elite torrents..well, actually you can't, they got hit hard on that one). And the only sure fire way, other than a good firewall setup (whcih they might still get around) is to not share music files under their protection..which basically means being a leecher, which isn't very good either

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